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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    I counted cards from 1997 to about 2001, on-and-off after that. Never a high-roller, typical max bet was 2x$100. In about 2002 or so I started primarily looking for more advanced plays. Again, a low-roller. For me, a superstar 3CP flasher was usually a $75 bet. Even given my smallish wagers, I had days winning and losing $3k or more. My best one-day win was $4,400, card counting a single-deck game. My worst day was losing slightly more than $6k, that was hole-carding 3CP. That was tough for me. I stopped all AP in 2005. It was always part time, I also had academic positions during this period.

    In 2002 Stanford Wong and I had a telling conversation. He told me that I was a theorist, that "Eliot, you've proven to yourself that you can beat the games, there's really nothing more in it for you." He was right. I hated the variance, I hated the smoke & noise & everything about being in a casino. I loved the math.
    Interesting. I thank you for sharing that.

    My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.

    Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.

    Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community.

    But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement.
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    Last edited by Eliot; 07-19-2022 at 03:25 PM.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    I counted cards from 1997 to about 2001, on-and-off after that. Never a high-roller, typical max bet was 2x$100. In about 2002 or so I started primarily looking for more advanced plays. Again, a low-roller. For me, a superstar 3CP flasher was usually a $75 bet. Even given my smallish wagers, I had days winning and losing $3k or more. My best one-day win was $4,400, card counting a single-deck game. My worst day was losing slightly more than $6k, that was hole-carding 3CP. That was tough for me. I stopped all AP in 2005. It was always part time, I also had academic positions during this period.

    In 2002 Stanford Wong and I had a telling conversation. He told me that I was a theorist, that "Eliot, you've proven to yourself that you can beat the games, there's really nothing more in it for you." He was right. I hated the variance, I hated the smoke & noise & everything about being in a casino. I loved the math.
    Interesting. I thank you for sharing that.

    My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.

    Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.

    Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community.

    But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement.
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed

  3. #23
    Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?

    What do you think of Singer?

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Interesting. I thank you for sharing that.

    My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.

    Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.

    Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community.

    But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement.
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Never met a highly successful person at that top of their field motivated by money. Money in gambling is just a way to measure if you’re successful. Money shouldn’t be the motivation. For anything

  5. #25
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?

    What do you think of Singer?
    Do you think a fantasy card counting gay gigolo could be sued for threatening gun violence on the internet ?

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?

    What do you think of Singer?
    Don't care, don't care.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Where does he post his politics? I guess maybe I've seen some of it but mostly he just talks about climate change. I had no clue about the guy outside of name recognition until I came across him on twitter.

    If you believed his math was good on gaming (when very very few gamblers could even calculate that stuff) then I would suggest to not quickly discard his climate math. These aren't like opinions on societal issues like previous things.

    One of the biggest reasons that effective change will never happen within a reasonable timeframe is because so many people on the right see this as a political issue. No, it is going to kill your progeny too dumb mother fucker! Whether directly or indirectly. Only way this doesn't happen is nukes/plague get to us first.

    If you guys haven't noticed, we've broke records all across the globe this summer. I'm assuming most of you APs can extrapolate from these things....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    China and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #28
    Mickey, what do you think of Planned Parenthood?

  9. #29
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?

    What do you think of Singer?
    Don't care, don't care.
    Would you be willing to structure a multi generational bet on climate change ? I’m not interested in anything else really. Just wondering if you would be interested in that.

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Interesting. I thank you for sharing that.

    My final comment is an opinion. You can comment or not, as I doubt you will change my mind.

    Throughout the last number of years, it became obvious to me that you were playing one side against the other. The article kind of confirms that for me, with your desire to give your book away for nothing if you could have. You wanted to create as many AP's with the knowledge to beat the games in question, so you could then create a demand for your services to casinos to protect the games against these very AP's.

    Kind of creating the demand for your protection services where there was none. Some may consider that smart. Even an AP play. I don't. And it is exactly why I have such a hard time trusting anyone in the AP community.

    But to each his own. Enjoy your retirement.
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Last edited by Eliot; 07-19-2022 at 03:53 PM.

  11. #31
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Eliot, do you believe Rob Singer won 1.5 million recently?

    What do you think of Singer?
    Don't care, don't care.
    Would you be willing to structure a multi generational bet on climate change ? I’m not interested in anything else really. Just wondering if you would be interested in that.
    The available climate change wagers are posted on my website: https://climatecasino.net/climate-casino/

    If there is a particular event you want to wager on, let me know and I'll figure out odds I think are fair and post it. You can then decide if it's a bet you want to take.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Where does he post his politics? I guess maybe I've seen some of it but mostly he just talks about climate change. I had no clue about the guy outside of name recognition until I came across him on twitter.

    If you believed his math was good on gaming (when very very few gamblers could even calculate that stuff) then I would suggest to not quickly discard his climate math. These aren't like opinions on societal issues like previous things.

    One of the biggest reasons that effective change will never happen within a reasonable timeframe is because so many people on the right see this as a political issue. No, it is going to kill your progeny too dumb mother fucker! Whether directly or indirectly. Only way this doesn't happen is nukes/plague get to us first.

    If you guys haven't noticed, we've broke records all across the globe this summer. I'm assuming most of you APs can extrapolate from these things....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    China and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.
    Shrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.

    You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.

    Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.

    "money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".

    If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.

    Other "money-grabs"

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds

    Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Yes this is another place I have it against "conservatives". They have the whole free speech things twisted and believe in government intervention from what I can tell. I mean whatever but call a spade a spade.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    That is a false narrative. I just like doing math and solving puzzles. The last few years of my career, people paid me for explaining my own results to them in seminars and on-site trainings, even though I published the very same thing for free and they could look it up and read it at their convenience on APHeat. Between that and being an expert witness, I did pretty good. If I had any business acumen, I would have monetized everything. Many did just that, some with my material. Instead, I gave everything away for free and continue to do so.

    I think what people have never understood about me is that I've never been motivated by money. I drive a modest car and live a simple life without many possessions. Along the way, I was very fortunate to be the son of the man who invented the modern answering machine, a device that held 80% market share for many years (the Radio Shack Duo Phone). Dad passed away in 2007. You can figure it out from there.

    https://www.prweb.com/releases/2007/04/prweb522451.htm

    These days I seem to be equally famous for my climate change blog and Twitter account -- somehow I have a second life as an expert on the topic. I pretty much preach a Zen approach to life, or what's left of it -- generosity, service and kindness. If you think this is not the case, that I couldn't possibly have this approach to life, and for whatever reason you feel the need to hold onto your narrative, that's okay too.
    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.

    You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.

    Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post

    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.

    You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.

    Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
    I've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.

    I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  16. #36
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post

    A free speech guy that regularly blocks people on social media with different views. Very interesting indeed
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.

    You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.

    Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030

    My motivation is I don’t actually respect anything about your work. It’s flawed. I be more then happy taking some of daddy’s money he left you to help my great grand kids out.

    You also didn’t answer my first question. But I already know the answer.

    A substantial amount would be a few million. Set up in a trust of some sort that neither of us had control over and was bound by the terms of our agreement/ bet.

  17. #37
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Eliot View Post
    Here are the basics on free speech at Twitter, which is a company and not the government in case you don't know. I don't have to allow every clueless moron with an opinion to read my Tweets, nor do I have to give them a platform to pollute my Twitter account with their bullshit. Advocating free speech on Twitter just means I would never try to deny them the right to voice their opinions in their own account. If they get followers, good for them.
    Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.

    You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.

    Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
    I've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.

    I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
    I’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field. As long as it’s structured accordingly and I don’t want that terms discussed here. So yeah bro I understand the numbers

  18. #38
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Where does he post his politics? I guess maybe I've seen some of it but mostly he just talks about climate change. I had no clue about the guy outside of name recognition until I came across him on twitter.

    If you believed his math was good on gaming (when very very few gamblers could even calculate that stuff) then I would suggest to not quickly discard his climate math. These aren't like opinions on societal issues like previous things.

    One of the biggest reasons that effective change will never happen within a reasonable timeframe is because so many people on the right see this as a political issue. No, it is going to kill your progeny too dumb mother fucker! Whether directly or indirectly. Only way this doesn't happen is nukes/plague get to us first.

    If you guys haven't noticed, we've broke records all across the globe this summer. I'm assuming most of you APs can extrapolate from these things....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    China and India pollution will more than negate anything the U.S. does on carbon emissions. Throw in volcanoes and forest fires and you are fucked no matter what the U.S. does. Nothing political to it. Its a fucking money grab. A fucking scam. Are you scared? Shoot yourself in the fucking head.
    Shrug. I'm not really judging Americans nor complaining about Mancin or what have you. I try personally just to support those who also legitimately try, but in general I'm kinda over the inevitable. That'd my middle ground where I can feel the best about people and myself.

    You're not exactly wrong but you leave out the part that there is no chance for this to not happen when people have your attitude. Those in India and China can make the same argument as you - only stronger given their per-capita energy consumption. Clearly I'll hear a form of entitlement from most Americans. Oh well.

    Lol I'm not scared. Why do you have to be such a fucking dumb-ass about this? I'm laughing you dumb mother fucker because yall will get yours but TBH you don't have kids AFAIK so why would you give a shit? Much like me. I'm over it.

    "money grab". How fucking simple can you possibly be, dude? I mean clearly there are industries who try to make money in the solution because well thats how it all works... but it hasn't been drilled into you by your corporate masters that big oil gets subsidies and is just as much a "money grab".

    If I had to guess the climate becomes more and more fucked and hten ecosystems start to die more and more. Then there will be food shortages. You think the rioting was bad? But it won't really matter. This is for keeps or basically given the timescale of man - forever and ever.

    Other "money-grabs"

    https://www.visualcapitalist.com/cha...uel-subsidies/

    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...nute-imf-finds

    Of course you can claim it is all liberal this and that but I'd at least research it and not taking the input from corporate masters. IMO it is actually a rightwing thing to be against government subsidies but obviously WTF do I know?
    The earth has been warming and cooling for 4 billion years. A dumb fuck like you thinks he can change that. Ignorant stupid dumb fuck. And you can't fix stupid.

    I get a kick out of you idiots that use the term "climate deniers" to describe people that don't believe the world is in dire straights. You are so full of shit your eyes are brown.

    Accountinquestion = Chicken Little

    THE SKY IS FALLING!!! THE SKY IS FALLING!!!

    Do you know how many people in this country can afford to buy a brand new electric vehicle? Not many you dumb motherfucker. So quit fucking pushing people. There is plenty of time for the technology to develop. Don't expect shit to be done overnight. It's not going to happen for ya. So quit your asinine bitching.

    How fucking green are you green pushers anyway? Do you have zero carbon signature? I don't think so. My guess is you are a hypocrite.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  19. #39
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post

    Standard way of thinking for someone like you. Clueless morons lol.

    You realize anyone can buy a Twitter account with followers right they don’t need to get followers from posting in your feed.

    Anyway I’m not interested in betting on small one off events. I’m looking to bet a substantial amount against your overall thesis. Structured to be paid out most likely to one of our grand children. Although you may have a more aggressive timeline. For all I know you may have convinced yourself the world ends in 2030
    I've been thinking a bit about this lately and I think the biggest unknown is how quickly ecosystems will fail. Almost all the stuff you read in the press is about the temperatures being too hot for man. Thats not really the issue. Man can adapt. How many generations do you think are needed for animal adaption? You're looking at hydrocarbons that formed over many millions of year and then being extracted into the atmosphere at a global-industrial level over the course of 100ish years. I mean, you guys really think it is all nonsense? Numbers are truth bro.

    I also suspect there has been little research done on the survivability of all the variety of wildlife. We'll continue to see fires at an unprecedented rate until it ain't no more to burn. Shit like that. How would they research such a thing anyway?? Seems like a blind-spot in the research and IMO would be key to begin to legitimately handicap the end of man.
    I’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field. As long as it’s structured accordingly and I don’t want that terms discussed here. So yeah bro I understand the numbers
    Everything I do is public -- read my website. If you think I am wrong about something, you have plenty of opportunities to make a wager against me. I have wagers on the population at time X already booked.

    I tried to make a similar bet like you are proposing with Guy McPherson, another with his protégée Kevin Hester, though none multi-generational. They are predicting total human extinction by 2026, which is beyond absurd. They declined my offer for a wager, saying that if they are dead there is no value in winning. That's why I give over/under on future population. Problem is, If I won the bet then I'd like to be paid in my lifetime, which according to actuarial tables has an over/under of 2044.

    I was in the casino business, I make my own lines. My website is climatecasino ffs. If you want a line on something, even if it's multi-generational, say it here in public and I'll gladly set the line, which you can agree to or not.
    Last edited by Eliot; 07-19-2022 at 04:33 PM.

  20. #40
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue
    I’m willing to bet a few million against the self proclaimed expert in the field.
    Speaking of "clueless morons:" entrance, stage right.
    What, Me Worry?

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