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  1. #41
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Hmmm, query, I wonder how many of the resident genius, ap-wise-guy and mathite woulda been shrewd enough to come up with the 21 cards-counting angle, say back in 1959, before the Thorpe wrote the book, divulge the bean and let the feline outta the sack, hey hey????
    Thorp didn't discover card counting. He only released the secret.

  2. #42
    Jbjb,

    I wonder how many card counters are taking advantage of the symmetry/asymmetry still found on the edge of some playing cards. This could enable a few side counts based on the symmetry of that printed edge. Of course, they would need to set very close to the shoe and have some great eyes.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    Jbjb,

    I wonder how many card counters are taking advantage of the symmetry/asymmetry still found on the edge of some playing cards. This could enable a few side counts based on the symmetry of that printed edge. Of course, they would need to set very close to the shoe and have some great eyes.

    I beat roulette straight up without a rebate. I would sit in a chair with my knees under the table next to a beautiful young black lady. I would have her jack me to full alert underneath the table and my throbbing rock Hard cock would hit the bottom of the table causing a slight lean to the wheel. I then would proceed to bet the biased quadrants. I estimate my Edge to be about 7 percent

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Snowman View Post
    Axel,

    The same as you. Entertainment, networking with like minded people, and information mining.

    I am both a vb and a bias wheel player (defect spotter) Live and electronic. I've been at since the late 80s early 90s.
    Well, if that's the case, It seems as if you would know better than messaging around here looking for such things. You should know the general consensus regarding roulette and know exactly where to look for such people. Heck, I rarely play roulette and I know where to look and where not to look. It's not that hard to figure out who does, and who doesn't have some knowledge about actual roulette AP. IE EvenBob= full of shit. Laurence Scott= if it's doable, he might actually know a thing or two.
    Don't forget Soxfan here.
    Hey Hey!

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    I beat roulette straight up without a rebate. I would sit in a chair with my knees under the table next to a beautiful young black lady. I would have her jack me to full alert underneath the table and my throbbing rock Hard cock would hit the bottom of the table causing a slight lean to the wheel. I then would proceed to bet the biased quadrants. I estimate my Edge to be about 7 percent
    Now that's Advantage Play!!
    Fuck all these other posers!
    Can you not find any beautiful young white women to do this??
    After crushing roulette you can impregnate her and continue on with your more important mission in life!!

  6. #46
    4:03 - Definition of the expertise
    5:00 - Repeated attempts with feedback
    6:46 - Valid environment
    11:21 - Timely feedback
    13:50 - Don't get too comfortable

    You think you are a professional roulette player?
    Think Again... 6:40 In the video.
    Bet on Red or Black?
    Red Pill or Blue Pill??
    Fuck That!
    Give me Red Button Green Button!

    Personally, I am in big trouble as I am not adhering to number 4 as I am too comfortable.
    What have we learned here?
    If you want to be a professional roulette player you need a coach.
    Or just cheat and don't get caught.
    Of course cheaters never win... right?
    Why?
    Because when you cheat, you only cheat yourself.
    AmIrite or AmIrite... right, right?



    Last edited by monet; 08-05-2022 at 03:25 AM.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Hmmm, query, I wonder how many of the resident genius, ap-wise-guy and mathite woulda been shrewd enough to come up with the 21 cards-counting angle, say back in 1959, before the Thorpe wrote the book, divulge the bean and let the feline outta the sack, hey hey????
    My guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.

    And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #48
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Hmmm, query, I wonder how many of the resident genius, ap-wise-guy and mathite woulda been shrewd enough to come up with the 21 cards-counting angle, say back in 1959, before the Thorpe wrote the book, divulge the bean and let the feline outta the sack, hey hey????
    My guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.

    And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
    I can't remember where I read this but you are correct that people were doing it before Thorp.

    I wonder if the casinos had some suspicion that BJ was beatable in this way because there are also a lot of stories of dealers that would be called in by the house to cheat against winning players.

    Of course that could just because the casinos were greedy and knew they could get away with it, but maybe they saw it as a crude countermeasure against players that seemed to have winning system?

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Hmmm, query, I wonder how many of the resident genius, ap-wise-guy and mathite woulda been shrewd enough to come up with the 21 cards-counting angle, say back in 1959, before the Thorpe wrote the book, divulge the bean and let the feline outta the sack, hey hey????
    My guess is there were people that could beat the game back then. And Thorp messed up their gravy train. It was all single deck dealing to the last card. The odds shifting when the ratio of big cards to small cards is above normal is not that hard of a concept to grasp. There had to have been people that knew that and exploited it.

    And you could Wong all you wanted to in those days.
    I can't remember where I read this but you are correct that people were doing it before Thorp.

    I wonder if the casinos had some suspicion that BJ was beatable in this way because there are also a lot of stories of dealers that would be called in by the house to cheat against winning players.

    Of course that could just because the casinos were greedy and knew they could get away with it, but maybe they saw it as a crude countermeasure against players that seemed to have winning system?
    Yes, I think we read something a while back about a colleague of Thorp that explained how rampant cheating by the house was back then.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  10. #50
    There are probably some blackjack APs from the 50s and 60s that are getting dredged up out of Lake Mead now that it is so low.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    There are probably some blackjack APs from the 50s and 60s that are getting dredged up out of Lake Mead now that it is so low.
    The tale around Lake Tahoe was the original owner of Harvey's, Harvey Gross, would have his goons take a persistent card counter out to the middle of the lake and throw him in. No way you could make it to shore.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    There are probably some blackjack APs from the 50s and 60s that are getting dredged up out of Lake Mead now that it is so low.
    The tale around Lake Tahoe was the original owner of Harvey's, Harvey Gross, would have his goons take a persistent card counter out to the middle of the lake and throw him in. No way you could make it to shore.
    If Lake Tahoe ever got low enough I bet we'd find out it wasn't just a tale Mickey. Interesting story, thanks.

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