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  1. #101
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    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play...I'll call BS when I need to.
    Clarify something here, Alan.

    As to blackjack, are you claiming that it is / was impossible or nearly so to get an advantage at that game now, or ever?

    As crafted by you, it seems to me that your post is limited to opining that claims of successful AP by people on these forums are "BS" and untrue / impossible, correct?

    What then about experts off the forum, luminaries such as Thorp and Wong: were they full of "BS" as well?

    You think Thorp was lying / full of "BS" as well?

    If not, if counting worked back in the day for Thorp, why can't it work today?

    Do you think Don Johnson merely had happy variance when he cleaned the casino's clock in AC, or was he successfully demonstrating AP?
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  2. #102
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play...I'll call BS when I need to.
    Clarify something here, Alan.

    As to blackjack, are you claiming that it is / was impossible or nearly so to get an advantage at that game now, or ever?

    As crafted by you, it seems to me that your post is limited to opining that claims of successful AP by people on these forums are "BS" and untrue / impossible, correct?

    What then about experts off the forum, luminaries such as Thorp and Wong: were they full of "BS" as well?

    You think Thorp was lying / full of "BS" as well?

    If not, if counting worked back in the day for Thorp, why can't it work today?

    Do you think Don Johnson merely had happy variance when he cleaned the casino's clock in AC, or was he successfully demonstrating AP?
    I even showed him one of our flashing dealers which we still destroy to this day!

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    Of course you did.

    But hey,you know what they say: you can lead a horse's ass to water but you can't make him think.
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  4. #104
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    I even showed him one of our flashing dealers which we still destroy to this day!
    Wait...what? You gave Alan info on a flashing dealer? Can I ask why? What game....blackjack?

    I guess I am surprised because I have never even heard Alan mention blackjack play. Taking blurry pictures of empty blackjack tables at 3 in the morning, yes, but playing the game, no.

    Would Alan even have ant idea what to do with the information from a flashed dealer card?

    Next time you have some strange urge to give away such info about a Vegas dealer, don't forget your buddy KJ.

  5. #105
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    I even showed him one of our flashing dealers which we still destroy to this day!
    Since, YOU brought up hole carding and flashing dealers, and playing against the same flashing dealers over and over. I have a question for you JBJB.

    My experience with HCing is very limited. I did it one summer 2-3 years after I moved to Vegas. Even set my alarm for 3am so I could play one guys 4am-noon shift. Eventually decided I didn't care for that part of it. So anyway, I feel like certain plays are really going to make you stand out.

    For example: Dealer is showing a 10, but you know there is a 6 underneath. So you will stand on your bust hand, something that almost no other player, AP, basic strategy player, even most complete ploppys would do. So of course dealer turns over his 6 and busts. After 2 or 3 times of this I feel like it would be very obvious to dealer, pit and surveillance, hell maybe even the cook in the nearby restaurant, what is going on.

    Now something like hitting your break hand against the dealer 5 because you know there is a 4 under, that would be less obvious. Players make that kind of wrong play more frequently. But you just rarely see any player, regardless of skill level stand on a 13, 14 vs dealer 10. Doing this AND winning the hand multiple times just seems like a huge attention grabber.

  6. #106
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Hey Alan, if you're reading this, let me know if you'd like a copy of the book that includes my short non-fiction story, "The Car Makes the Man."
    You got my attention on this.
    I heard that there is a formula for writing 36 short stories and making passive income from it.
    Of course the formula is a ton of work as you have to write, edit, proof, promote, fund and sell your E Book.
    And supposedly there are a few ways to steal ebooks but from my understanding Amazon is about to implement a no return policy after you read 10% of the written material.
    I have what I think is an interesting concept for a short story/novel/screenplay but I'm probably way too lazy to finish or follow through with it.
    I have the hook and ending but I'm unwilling to share it with anyone at this time.
    I've wrote and rewrote a few chapters to it but I'd rather just play video games so it just sits there laughing at me.

    Sometimes letting it sit works. One of my good friends here, who also has a story in Driving Southern and who has published some non-fiction books on histories of herbal remedies and folk medicine, has been working on a novel for years now. But he let it sit and came back to it and was able to revamp key early chapters to make it work much, much better. I think your experience is somewhat common in that people usually do the opening and closing chapters and often sell the book based on those. Then they have to grind through the hard work of everything in between. I don't write fiction, but it seems like intense hard work.

    I think the only way anyone makes significant money on short stories these days is if somebody buys it for a potential TV or movie idea. I did take screenwriting back in my youth, but I had no idea what I was doing. I was the worst at writing dialogue. Terrible. Truly terrible. But I did the framing of scenes and proper directions and all that okay.

  7. #107
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    I always have said casino gambling should be entertainment only. This really got me in "trouble" with the advocates of "advantage play."

    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

    In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."

    Yeah some people win, otherwise the casinos would be empty. But I know too many APs living in their cars and with their mothers in their 50s.

    So yes. I'm called a fucktard. But I use my real name because I'm proud of where I stand.

    I'll call BS when I need to.
    For once I agree with UNKOOL1, he is definitely the most hated on ANY forum ! Alan your just a laughing stock, not even in the same hemisphere as Kew !

  8. #108
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play...I'll call BS when I need to.
    Clarify something here, Alan.

    As to blackjack, are you claiming that it is / was impossible or nearly so to get an advantage at that game now, or ever?

    As crafted by you, it seems to me that your post is limited to opining that claims of successful AP by people on these forums are "BS" and untrue / impossible, correct?

    What then about experts off the forum, luminaries such as Thorp and Wong: were they full of "BS" as well?

    You think Thorp was lying / full of "BS" as well?

    If not, if counting worked back in the day for Thorp, why can't it work today?

    Do you think Don Johnson merely had happy variance when he cleaned the casino's clock in AC, or was he successfully demonstrating AP?
    I haven't been around long enough to know all the Alan stories but the guy is a putz of the first order. Arguing with him about gambing is a pointless endeavor. Ok, he insults APs. WGAF !?
    I wander through the path of life. Wondering. Wondering what my next signature on VCT should be.

  9. #109
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    To the extent that sports betting is an "AP play," what Alan said about wanting to see people "proving" it is not precisely correct. Unlike other forms of AP, a third-party monitored sports betting record either shows that you won or shows that you lost. I sent a boatload of those third-party verifications to Alan, but he never examined them.

    Now it's true that someone who is tracked by third parties and has convincingly won could also be a degenerate in other gambling or could be doing stupid things on the side, like betting parlays. In that way, they could actually be losers while posting winning straight play records. But not everyone is going to have solved one aspect of gambling and yet blown their winnings via degeneracy.

    I take pride in being a degenerate in many ways, but degenerate gambling isn't one of them. Seed, feel free to borrow that line.
    I degen the Orgy scene but since I don’t drink or do drugs I don’t think it’s that much of a problem. Doesn’t cost me anything other then travel expenses

  10. #110
    So I see my questions to jbjb about hole-carding went unanswered. Very strange that hole-carding is this "taboo" subject not to be discussed on open forums in any manner. I mean the guy that is the known hole-carder can chime in, that he and his team play to a much bigger advantage, or drop a line like he did today about sharing hole-card info with Alan, but ask a question and it is like you have broken some unspoken law.

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    KJ, it's like asking someone if their wife is a good fuck: some things are taboo.
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  12. #112
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post

    I even showed him one of our flashing dealers which we still destroy to this day!
    Since, YOU brought up hole carding and flashing dealers, and playing against the same flashing dealers over and over. I have a question for you JBJB.

    My experience with HCing is very limited. I did it one summer 2-3 years after I moved to Vegas. Even set my alarm for 3am so I could play one guys 4am-noon shift. Eventually decided I didn't care for that part of it. So anyway, I feel like certain plays are really going to make you stand out.

    For example: Dealer is showing a 10, but you know there is a 6 underneath. So you will stand on your bust hand, something that almost no other player, AP, basic strategy player, even most complete ploppys would do. So of course dealer turns over his 6 and busts. After 2 or 3 times of this I feel like it would be very obvious to dealer, pit and surveillance, hell maybe even the cook in the nearby restaurant, what is going on.

    Now something like hitting your break hand against the dealer 5 because you know there is a 4 under, that would be less obvious. Players make that kind of wrong play more frequently. But you just rarely see any player, regardless of skill level stand on a 13, 14 vs dealer 10. Doing this AND winning the hand multiple times just seems like a huge attention grabber.
    You have to learn to use discretion. Obvious example would be hitting 18 vs 9 up.

  13. #113
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    but the guy is a putz of the first order. Arguing with him about gambing is a pointless endeavor. Ok, he insults APs. WGAF !?
    It is more than that he just insults AP's, he despises them and at time denies their existence.

    Alan is actually the second person on these forums that I encountered that did this. LarryS was the first. And Rob Singer was the third, roughly the same time as Alan, but my encounter with Alan, just nosed out all my encounters with Singer. It isn't hard to figure out why these guys despise players that actually win and win by the math.

    These guys, that despise players that play with an advantage and win, are so adamant about insulting and attacking AP, that I have labeled them, anti-AP.

    Now don't get me wrong, every player that doesn't play with an advantage or win longterm is not anti-AP. Most are recreational players that recognize and fully accept that they are playing -EV. They are happy to go to the casino on a Saturday afternoon or night, play a 99%, or 98%, or even 95% return game and hope for positive variance that makes them a winner for that day (short-term). MrV is the perfect example of this.

    The one point Alan makes that I agree with is that AP's probably don't enjoy their gambling experience as much as a recreational player. I have evolved on this a bit because I love(d) blackjack and making a living playing blackjack, but it gets to a point, and next spring will be 20 years for me, that if some magic wand was waved and there was no more countable blackjack games, maybe CSM or 6:5 or even money games replaced all countable games rendering card counting useless, I don't think I would ever sit at a blackjack table again. I wouldn't have the desire to spend some Saturday afternoon or evening playing 99% or 98% return blackjack hoping to hit some positive variance for those few hours.

    I mean these guys like Alan that hit up the casinos regularly, playing a negative expectation game, winning once in a while but losing much more often, reminds me of all the old horse players (my Grandfather was one) that went to the track every day or multiple times a week doing the same thing and thinking they were going to win. Isn't that the literal definition of insanity, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome?

    Anyway, I honestly don't wish anything bad for Alan. I just wish he would recognize and acknowledge that gambling is about the math.

  14. #114
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    KJ, it's like asking someone if their wife is a good fuck: some things are taboo.

    Damn, I've had no couth for 50 years and didn't know it.

  15. #115
    The anti-AP phenomenon is very real. I had never encountered it until I started reading this forum. It never occurred to me that some people have a deeply felt need to deny that is possible to make money at gambling.

    Anyway regarding the other topic, I know someone that surrendered 19 vs 9 up. That actually didn't go well.

  16. #116
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    Anyway regarding the other topic, I know someone that surrendered 19 vs 9 up. That actually didn't go well.
    Exactly. Just eat the loss

  17. #117
    Slow down guys. Yes, I said this and I own it:

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

    In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."
    But I was not including proven ways to play with an advantage such as card counting or even edge sorting or even hole carding (see that jbjb?) and wheel clocking.

    I was talking about the "far out claims" that get a pass... like counting two or three tables (sorry kewlj) and using a team with other people's cards and milking the casinos $20,000 a week without having to play more than that to keep the free play streaming in.

    So yes there are legitimate methods to win.

    I've never doubted traditional card counting. I was even at a casino for a demonstration of how a roulette dealer could target a group of four slots.

    I personally have the illegal skill of dice sliding but I've used it only for demonstration purposes.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Mdawg can edge sort.

    I know hole carding happens.

    But what I object to is every Tom, Dick and Harry who joins a forum and starts his first post with "I'm an advantage player..." and then asks a question typical of a first time gambler.

    And I will always be suspect of those who claim to be money making APs who say how they win is a secret.

    Yeah. Big secret.

    That includes Double Up Bugs.

  18. #118
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Slow down guys. Yes, I said this and I own it:

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

    In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."
    But I was not including proven ways to play with an advantage such as card counting or even edge sorting or even hole carding (see that jbjb?) and wheel clocking.

    I was talking about the "far out claims" that get a pass... like counting two or three tables (sorry kewlj) and using a team with other people's cards and milking the casinos $20,000 a week without having to play more than that to keep the free play streaming in.

    So yes there are legitimate methods to win.

    I've never doubted traditional card counting. I was even at a casino for a demonstration of how a roulette dealer could target a group of four slots.

    I personally have the illegal skill of dice sliding but I've used it only for demonstration purposes.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Mdawg can edge sort.

    I know hole carding happens.

    But what I object to is every Tom, Dick and Harry who joins a forum and starts his first post with "I'm an advantage player..." and then asks a question typical of a first time gambler.

    And I will always be suspect of those who claim to be money making APs who say how they win is a secret.

    Yeah. Big secret.

    That includes Double Up Bugs.

    21k a week 6 cards getting 700 5 times a week

    Yawn

    very easy to create offers thatís not even the AP part of that type of play.
    The free play streets are full of bodies. Guys who thought they knew what was up. Now just broke

    Every game is beatable under the right circumstances. Including craps without dice influence

    Math will show you the way in most instances. Another is the willingness to try a different approach to a play.

    20k a week is nothing but people are lazy.

  19. #119
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Slow down guys. Yes, I said this and I own it:

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

    In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."
    But I was not including proven ways to play with an advantage such as card counting or even edge sorting or even hole carding (see that jbjb?) and wheel clocking.

    I was talking about the "far out claims" that get a pass... like counting two or three tables (sorry kewlj) and using a team with other people's cards and milking the casinos $20,000 a week without having to play more than that to keep the free play streaming in.

    So yes there are legitimate methods to win.

    I've never doubted traditional card counting. I was even at a casino for a demonstration of how a roulette dealer could target a group of four slots.

    I personally have the illegal skill of dice sliding but I've used it only for demonstration purposes.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Mdawg can edge sort.

    I know hole carding happens.

    But what I object to is every Tom, Dick and Harry who joins a forum and starts his first post with "I'm an advantage player..." and then asks a question typical of a first time gambler.

    And I will always be suspect of those who claim to be money making APs who say how they win is a secret.

    Yeah. Big secret.

    That includes Double Up Bugs.
    What advantage players are claiming how they win is a secret? And yet, the one guy (MDawg) who definitely isn't an advantage player, is the one pretending he's got a secret.

    Perhaps you're confusing the how with the when and where. Yeah, sorry, people are not going to give you all the intricate details, but there's been more than enough explanations and examples. You just seem to want more and more... all while looking for ways to debate and debunk everything.




    Alan, you absolutely have a negative bias towards anyone who's an advantage player. You seem to have some type of soft spot for gamblers who play without an advantage. It's been apparent throughout the years over hundreds of posts. You probably can't see it yourself but there's a good reason multiple people think the same thing.

    I think you're affinity for and the defending of the non-AP gamblers is due to the fact that they are more like you. When it comes down to it, you're really just defending yourself and you're -EV choices. It must really suck having years of experience and serious love for -EV gambling without ever being able to figure out how to make some consistent serious +EV money. Meanwhile, guys are out there making some serious coin.

  20. #120
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Slow down guys. Yes, I said this and I own it:

    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Despite everything claimed on these anonymous forums I reject these claims of advantage play -- even claims that dice influencing can be taught. It can only be taught to a tiny few... maybe.

    In short, I'm probably the most hated casino forum participant because when a so-called AP says "I win" I say "prove it."
    But I was not including proven ways to play with an advantage such as card counting or even edge sorting or even hole carding (see that jbjb?) and wheel clocking.

    I was talking about the "far out claims" that get a pass... like counting two or three tables (sorry kewlj) and using a team with other people's cards and milking the casinos $20,000 a week without having to play more than that to keep the free play streaming in.

    So yes there are legitimate methods to win.

    I've never doubted traditional card counting. I was even at a casino for a demonstration of how a roulette dealer could target a group of four slots.

    I personally have the illegal skill of dice sliding but I've used it only for demonstration purposes.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Mdawg can edge sort.

    I know hole carding happens.

    But what I object to is every Tom, Dick and Harry who joins a forum and starts his first post with "I'm an advantage player..." and then asks a question typical of a first time gambler.

    And I will always be suspect of those who claim to be money making APs who say how they win is a secret.

    Yeah. Big secret.

    That includes Double Up Bugs.

    21k a week 6 cards getting 700 5 times a week

    Yawn

    very easy to create offers that’s not even the AP part of that type of play.
    The free play streets are full of bodies. Guys who thought they knew what was up. Now just broke

    Every game is beatable under the right circumstances. Including craps without dice influence

    Math will show you the way in most instances. Another is the willingness to try a different approach to a play.

    20k a week is nothing but people are lazy.
    You live life by a
    Set of arbitrary rules taught to you by slave creators. It’s obvious you lack the ability to think for yourself. It’s absurd you cant figure out some of this shit. I mean you were getting 2500 a week in free play at one point. You could have very easily scaled that up to 20k A week every week for as long as they let you play in that casino. Then when they barred you teach someone to do it for you. Now you have a team of two.

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