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  1. #41
    More disgusting posts on the wall of the obituary of Kevin Keen (moses/tater) from an imposter using names from the community, including mickeycrimm.

    What the fuck is wrong with whoever is doing this? The man's family and friends are reading these comments. This is the wall of his obituary, where friends and family can post a remembrance, NOT the typical BS attacks that go on, on these forums. Seriously...WTF??!!??
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  2. #42
    My best friend owns and operates a Funeral Home and they usually screen these comments. I’m shocked this home is allowing this nonsense to be posted.

    MDawg said he contacted them and I have no reason to disbelieve him so that in it’s itself is telling about this particular FH.

    No excuse to the scum doing this but damn, wake up director of this home.

    All of that said, KJ not sure why after everything you have read and contributed to on these forums, I see your outrage, like mine as something we shouldn’t be surprised about.

  3. #43
    Dupe for some reason.
    Last edited by The Boz; 08-31-2022 at 05:14 PM.

  4. #44
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    All of that said, KJ not sure why after everything you have read and contributed to on these forums, I see your outrage, like mine as something we shouldn’t be surprised about.
    Not surprised Boz, but still outraged. And I didn't even care for Moses.

    If you read the obituary, Kevin Keen was a father and grandfather. Grandfather! Can you imagine his grandkids reading the messages on their grandfather's obituary wall, and seeing this crap, complete with homosexual references of anal sex with 9.5 inch dick? Grandkids for God sakes! Is all sense of decency now gone?
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  5. #45
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    All of that said, KJ not sure why after everything you have read and contributed to on these forums, I see your outrage, like mine as something we shouldn’t be surprised about.
    Not surprised Boz, but still outraged. And I didn't even care for Moses.

    If you read the obituary, Kevin Keen was a father and grandfather. Grandfather! Can you imagine his grandkids reading the messages on their grandfather's obituary wall, and seeing this crap, complete with homosexual references of anal sex with 9.5 inch dick? Grandkids for God sakes! Is all sense of decency now gone?

    Well I will say “you people”������ have promoted for years now that there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, anal sex and taking a 9.5 c#ck in the ass. So I’m sure they would understand and accept if he was if they don’t want to be considered racist and bigoted.

    Obviously it’s BS and beyond common decency but I’m not sure the homosexual aspect is the hill to die on. The entire thing shows how deprived some posters are on these forums. But we all are guilty of contributing to it. Hard to count on one hand those who haven’t contributed to the garbage over the years, or allowed it to thrive. So while this is a new low, this is nothing shocking to me, and probably should have been expected. I can think of a few older posters on these forums who will deal with the same if the Funeral Home allows it,


  6. #46
    Apparently someone impostered Mdawg and wrote disgusting things on Moses's/Kevin's Obituary Wall. Mdawg got ragged and dragged and he says he isn't the one who wrote those disgusting things. I believe him. Remember, Mdawg also had an Imposter pretend to be him when he was Suspended on WOV and WOV Admins permanently banned him. Lots of WOV Posters stuck up for Mdawg saying they think Mdawg was being used as an unwitting Pawn in someone's sick game. Posters also pointed out Mdawg was driving to California from Las Vegas when the Imposter showed up and wasn't even on the internet at the time. Mdawg himself pointed out that he had been Suspended for almost two months at the time and he was only about a week before his two week Suspension was over and pointed out he wouldn't post with a new Account just being about a week away from his two months Suspension being over. A Poster asked this very hard hitting question. "So does this mean an Imposter can pretend to be Axelwolf if Axelwolf gets a Suspension and get him permanently banned?" The Admins took all of this seriously and found out this Mdawg Imposter had been Impostering Mdawg on multiple Websites and they reversed the permanent banning on Mdawg admitting they got played. The Imposter got banned permanently himself, not surprisingly.
    https://photos.app.goo.gl/Zk2WAFzDcrJ7pjNB7

    Take comfort in the fact that no one is actually backing up his wishes to have you permanantly banned.


    Smart is knowing a Tomato is a fruit.

    Wise is knowing a Tomato doesn't belong in a fruit salad.



    I am glad to get my full posting rights back! Thank you Dan!

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post

    All of that said, KJ not sure why after everything you have read and contributed to on these forums, I see your outrage, like mine as something we shouldn’t be surprised about.
    Not surprised Boz, but still outraged. And I didn't even care for Moses.

    If you read the obituary, Kevin Keen was a father and grandfather. Grandfather! Can you imagine his grandkids reading the messages on their grandfather's obituary wall, and seeing this crap, complete with homosexual references of anal sex with 9.5 inch dick? Grandkids for God sakes! Is all sense of decency now gone?
    You are the most likely culprit considering your multiple year feud with him. Just like you made a new sock over at WOV called fictionlover.

    Gunplay you’re one sick guy

  8. #48
    Another suspect is that guy called Jay playwithanedge1 . He has texted people I hear some pretty disgusting things on social media like wishing their kids die and shit like that. Often interjecting one of his many sock puppetry accounts into other peoples discussions. This entire fucking community is full of drama freaks and people devoid of morals

  9. #49
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    You are the most likely culprit considering your multiple year feud with him. Just like you made a new sock over at WOV called fictionlover.

    Gunplay you’re one sick guy
    You sir, are simply blinded by your dislike and hate of me. You say your issue was that I said something about you thinking you were someone else. But is that really your issue? I apologized for that when it became clear and was confirmed by Druff that you were not JWT, as I had thought. And yet you still can't let it go. Just relax dude.

    I am not confirming nor denying anything about fictionlover. But come on "that person" isn't trying to hide who they are and THAT is the basis of sockpuppets. I think fictionlover just wanted to remind some people, like Darkoz of some facts about this great adventure that they may have forgotten, like how the story and claims have changed. I mean it has been going on for years with claims every single day, it really isn't too hard to forget something.

    BTW, you have made some comments that contradict parts of this great adventure. I don't know if you didn't read everything (who could blame you?) or it seems like giving the guy a pass in that maybe he was saying things to mislead "just enough". If he had to lie, and leave out parts that make the whole story true, like the losing periods, why did he begin posting this whole thing anyway? On 4 different forums no less! Come on dude, that makes no sense.

    Now let me tell you something you may have forgotten or maybe did not know. The idea of loss rebates was brought up by Axelwolf, well into this whole ordeal. Prior to that Mdawg just kept saying things like betting into streaks. Axelwolf brought up loss rebates and Mdawg was like "yeah, that is what I am doing".

    Well Loss rebates doesn't come close to jiving with what this guy claimed, 102 winning sessions out of 104 at one point. THAT isn't how loss rebates work, as I am sure you know. You actually have to lose some sessions to benefit from loss rebates.

    The guy (Mdog) is just all over the place and has been since day one with changing stories, storyline and timelines, like no one has seen since the great Rob Singer was in his trolling prime.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  10. #50
    The good news is the perverted hippie is in the middle of the desert during record heat trying to trade jokes/magic acts/ card tricks and general worthless knowledge for tit flashes and tissues to finish in.

    And the other guys are loving the bashing of MDawg so the individual won’t be banned anytime soon, which has to be driving him mad. Along with Axel, Seed and Oz putting common sense facts out there.

  11. #51
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    You are the most likely culprit considering your multiple year feud with him. Just like you made a new sock over at WOV called fictionlover.

    Gunplay you’re one sick guy
    You sir, are simply blinded by your dislike and hate of me. You say your issue was that I said something about you thinking you were someone else. But is that really your issue? I apologized for that when it became clear and was confirmed by Druff that you were not JWT, as I had thought. And yet you still can't let it go. Just relax dude.

    I am not confirming nor denying anything about fictionlover. But come on "that person" isn't trying to hide who they are and THAT is the basis of sockpuppets. I think fictionlover just wanted to remind some people, like Darkoz of some facts about this great adventure that they may have forgotten, like how the story and claims have changed. I mean it has been going on for years with claims every single day, it really isn't too hard to forget something.

    BTW, you have made some comments that contradict parts of this great adventure. I don't know if you didn't read everything (who could blame you?) or it seems like giving the guy a pass in that maybe he was saying things to mislead "just enough". If he had to lie, and leave out parts that make the whole story true, like the losing periods, why did he begin posting this whole thing anyway? On 4 different forums no less! Come on dude, that makes no sense.

    Now let me tell you something you may have forgotten or maybe did not know. The idea of loss rebates was brought up by Axelwolf, well into this whole ordeal. Prior to that Mdawg just kept saying things like betting into streaks. Axelwolf brought up loss rebates and Mdawg was like "yeah, that is what I am doing".

    Well Loss rebates doesn't come close to jiving with what this guy claimed, 102 winning sessions out of 104 at one point. THAT isn't how loss rebates work, as I am sure you know. You actually have to lose some sessions to benefit from loss rebates.

    The guy (Mdog) is just all over the place and has been since day one with changing stories, storyline and timelines, like no one has seen since the great Rob Singer was in his trolling prime.
    I read the majority of it when I came down with covid a few months ago. It became sort of a pet project of mine while sick. I shared some things in DM with a few members including Oz what my theory is, and how I was successfully able to negotiate a deal that gave a player advantage with one casino. One out of many many many stores we contacted. Yes I am giving him a pass on the things that don’t make sense. I explained the reasoning behind that. I’m not the seasoned forum poster you are so maybe I didn’t explain that well enough.

    There are actually a few ways to negotiate a player advantage if the casino agrees. I think I made it very clear That I’m not saying this is what mdawg is doing. However after figuring out a way to negotiate a deal that gives a player advantage I wouldn’t bet against him. The theory Oz has is not much different then what Mikki Mase is suggesting he does. I learned a long time ago in this game that when everyone says something is impossible then maybe that’s something that needs to be looked at closer.

    For example your claim of counting two tables at once is absurd, however utilizing a few guys to count multiple tables for a team is not.

  12. #52
    But I’m thinking, and willing to bet, Seed isn’t willing to put much money on much of what the person posting as “MDawg” is the truth.

    Obviously he is a smart guy so the devil is in the details but it’s clear he is smart enough to know this guy isn’t pulling any AP plays for years and for hundreds (or millions) of thousands of dollars for years while bragging about it.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    But I’m thinking, and willing to bet, Seed isn’t willing to put much money on much of what the person posting as “MDawg” is the truth.

    Obviously he is a smart guy so the devil is in the details but it’s clear he is smart enough to know this guy isn’t pulling any AP plays for years and for hundreds (or millions) of thousands of dollars for years while bragging about it.
    I wouldn’t even bet on the deal I have in place because even with an advantage We could still lose. The casino could decide to end the deal before we can show a profit. I also suspect the casino understands they have the worst of it, but with the amount of money put up are willing to take the risk. Considering they can end the agreement at anytime. So no I’m not willing to bet on or against mdawg.

    However with the amount of time and effort he has put into posting online over the last few years I can’t help but wonder what we are missing. Successful people don’t put this much time and effort into things that don’t create some type of value. I don’t think you can dismiss him as a troll. Just my opinion

  14. #54
    “ Successful people don’t put this much time into things that don’t create some type of value”

    Your opinion has value based on your history. I don’t always agree with how you handle things on these forums but I’m sure you don’t how I do either. Neither pays the bills.

    So I’m open to where the value is with this guy. As you and many other successful AP’s have said, why put the stuff he does out there?

    Either he is an egotistical rich dude who needs/craves attention and monetary losses really don’t matter or he is beating casinos monthly while bragging about it on multiple gambling forums casinos track.

    Call me stupid, but I’m more with Axel and those who claim it’s all BS, or mostly BS after a short lived advantage. And at the end of the day, I believe you would love to find a new opportunity, you see it as total BS too.

    And just my opinion too.

  15. #55
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    For example your claim of counting two tables at once is absurd, however utilizing a few guys to count multiple tables for a team is not.
    If you say so. I mean you have never been anything but honest since you arrived here. Male prostitute, suggardaddies, luring married men.

    I am not going to argue this with you or anyone, anymore. Bringing up the tracking two tables could and should have been one of the biggest mistakes I have made on these forums, as far as revealing too much. I got lucky and didn't pay much of a price because it was this forum, and I don't think too many industry folks read this forum, although Druff thinks otherwise.

    I will make this one comment just in case there is any misconception and then think and say what you like. I think people don't understand that it only need be done for a very short period. No one is claiming they sit there and track 2 different tables through 6 decks of cards.

    The example would be, a new shuffle starts at my table. After 3 rounds or about a deck played the running count is -6 or a little more than -1 true count. At the next table a game is starting off the top off a fresh shuffle. So I track both tables for a round of two. Two round later, my table is still hovering at -6 but now with 4 decks remaining for a TC -1.5 The second table is at +9 with just about 5 decks remaining. That is almost a true count of +2. So which is the better opportunity for the next several decks of play. My table with a TC of -1.5 (better than a 2% disadvantage) or the second table with a true count of almost +2 (slightly more than 1% advantage)?

    Now what if I missed a couple cards at that second table and the running count is only +7 instead of the +9 that I think? Which is the better opportunity going forward, TC -1.5 or TC +1.5? That is all we are talking about.

    But anyway, I think you are right nobody could do that.

    By the way it is really almost a moot point now. The number of opportunities to track a second table is night and day difference from pre-covid to post covid, so this has all but dried up or at least much, much less opportunity. And covid doesn't really have anything to do with it. It is just less regular blackjack games in the pits. Casinos want to use that space for all the new games with higher house edges. The spread of stadium and electronic blackjacks hasn't helped either.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    For example your claim of counting two tables at once is absurd, however utilizing a few guys to count multiple tables for a team is not.
    If you say so. I mean you have never been anything but honest since you arrived here. Male prostitute, suggardaddies, luring married men.

    I am not going to argue this with you or anyone, anymore. Bringing up the tracking two tables could and should have been one of the biggest mistakes I have made on these forums, as far as revealing too much. I got lucky and didn't pay much of a price because it was this forum, and I don't think too many industry folks read this forum, although Druff thinks otherwise.

    I will make this one comment just in case there is any misconception and then think and say what you like. I think people don't understand that it only need be done for a very short period. No one is claiming they sit there and track 2 different tables through 6 decks of cards.

    The example would be, a new shuffle starts at my table. After 3 rounds or about a deck played the running count is -6 or a little more than -1 true count. At the next table a game is starting off the top off a fresh shuffle. So I track both tables for a round of two. Two round later, my table is still hovering at -6 but now with 4 decks remaining for a TC -1.5 The second table is at +9 with just about 5 decks remaining. That is almost a true count of +2. So which is the better opportunity for the next several decks of play. My table with a TC of -1.5 (better than a 2% disadvantage) or the second table with a true count of almost +2 (slightly more than 1% advantage)?

    Now what if I missed a couple cards at that second table and the running count is only +7 instead of the +9 that I think? Which is the better opportunity going forward, TC -1.5 or TC +1.5? That is all we are talking about.

    But anyway, I think you are right nobody could do that.

    By the way it is really almost a moot point now. The number of opportunities to track a second table is night and day difference from pre-covid to post covid, so this has all but dried up or at least much, much less opportunity. And covid doesn't really have anything to do with it. It is just less regular blackjack games in the pits. Casinos want to use that space for all the new games with higher house edges. The spread of stadium and electronic blackjacks hasn't helped either.

    “If you say so. I mean you have never been anything but honest since you arrived here. Male prostitute, suggardaddies, luring married men”

    Correct about you yes at least good reliable sources say this is your fetish or play.

    But whatever Count two tables or three it’s a waste of time for theoretical Pennies.

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    “ Successful people don’t put this much time into things that don’t create some type of value”

    Your opinion has value based on your history. I don’t always agree with how you handle things on these forums but I’m sure you don’t how I do either. Neither pays the bills.

    So I’m open to where the value is with this guy. As you and many other successful AP’s have said, why put the stuff he does out there?

    Either he is an egotistical rich dude who needs/craves attention and monetary losses really don’t matter or he is beating casinos monthly while bragging about it on multiple gambling forums casinos track.

    Call me stupid, but I’m more with Axel and those who claim it’s all BS, or mostly BS after a short lived advantage. And at the end of the day, I believe you would love to find a new opportunity, you see it as total BS too.

    And just my opinion too.
    It has value to him for some reason, and I don’t think it’s just to troll. Idk I’m intrigued more because of how everyone is so dismissive yet he plots on. I don’t think he is selling anything but…. Maybe there is another angle. One that is actually part of my theory I have privately shared

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    “If you say so. I mean you have never been anything but honest since you arrived here. Male prostitute, suggardaddies, luring married men” Correct about you yes at least good reliable sources say this is your fetish or play.B
    "Reliable sources."

    Bwa ha ha ha
    What, Me Worry?

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by The Boz View Post
    “ Successful people don’t put this much time into things that don’t create some type of value”

    Your opinion has value based on your history. I don’t always agree with how you handle things on these forums but I’m sure you don’t how I do either. Neither pays the bills.

    So I’m open to where the value is with this guy. As you and many other successful AP’s have said, why put the stuff he does out there?

    Either he is an egotistical rich dude who needs/craves attention and monetary losses really don’t matter or he is beating casinos monthly while bragging about it on multiple gambling forums casinos track.

    Call me stupid, but I’m more with Axel and those who claim it’s all BS, or mostly BS after a short lived advantage. And at the end of the day, I believe you would love to find a new opportunity, you see it as total BS too.

    And just my opinion too.
    By the way I didn’t appreciate you posting the mail from AC when my team was in the middle of a multiple month run of mail twice that amount. Running a play that was one of the best in the country for some time. So no you are correct I don’t always agree with what you say or post online either. I fortunately run a pretty wide area and will go anywhere in the country / world really if the money is right. It’s all good tho

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    “If you say so. I mean you have never been anything but honest since you arrived here. Male prostitute, suggardaddies, luring married men” Correct about you yes at least good reliable sources say this is your fetish or play.B
    "Reliable sources."

    Bwa ha ha ha
    I really would love to fuck you up you old pos

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