Former member Moses aka Tater has passed away

[kewlJ]

It looks like mdawg had posted on the comment wall of this mans Obit. There’s a reference of kew there and taters pursuit of the truth.

Well that is in extreme bad taste. The man's family and friends are mourning him and don't care, know, or want to know about any gambling forum drama or feuds.

I haven't seen or heard of anything this distasteful since I heard Rob Singer attacked a recently diseased colleague in his gambling column. Mdawg is a very sick man for doing so.

[kewlJ]

Look, I didn't want to mention this, because I have no need to kick the man's memory. But anyone who read Kevin Keen's obit should have noticed one very glaring omission. Not a single word mentioned about blackjack or his blackjack play.

When I first encountered Moses 10 years ago on Norm's blackjack form, Moses introduced himself as a professional blackjack player and sports bettor living and playing in Reno. It was that last part, that to me, required me to speak up doubting that claim after he repeated it several times. Reno is not a place like Las Vegas that a player can spread his play around and achieve some longevity. I know because that is the same issue that ended my Atlantic City run. It is just not a big enough place with enough casinos and games to survive for long. On top of that Reno is notoriously sweaty. They just will not allow a player to do what Moses claimed. And that is why there are no real players based out of Reno. At best, real players swing through Reno for a weekend every now and then, but even that is risky because Reno is so sweaty you will end up in the databases.

And me calling this out, wasn't just about calling someone out. After he posted this numerous times, I thought there are going to be players flock to Reno to play the single deck games that will all end up banned and in the databases. I felt like players should know the truth. And that was the whole basis of the 10 year feud between Moses and myself. I came to realize, he was very passionate about blackjack and he was pretty knowledgeable about the single deck game. I even learned a couple things from his that have benefited me. But what he claimed just could not be playing Reno. And as evident by not a single word about blackjack play in his obit, it wasn't real.

Speculating based on what I now know and Moses even shared before he passed, I believe he relocated to Reno after his divorce in 2010 and his plan was to support himself from blackjack and sports betting and he jumped the gun and called himself that before it occurred, which it never did. Last year he amended his claim to that he had won 100k over 10 years, which is not the level of a professional player, but is a level that maybe a part-time player could pull off in Reno. But again, not a single mention of any kind of blackjack play in his obit. Even as a part-time player, I would have thought there would have been a mention of his love of blackjack and frequent play.

I give him credit for coming clean towards the end and I also appreciated the conciliatory tone of his final posts to me. I wanted to leave it at that. Why a person would need to do what Mdawg just did is just sickening. Way beyond acceptable. Let the man rest for God sakes.

[kewlJ]

And now some imposter has posted a message on the obit "wall" claiming to be me. I did not post any such message. And Mdawg says that the message with reference to me wasn't him either. I accept that, but remain just appalled that someone would do such a thing. This isn't some freaking forum bullshit. The man's family and friends are reading that nonsense.

Just a reminder of how very sick some of the people are on these forums.

[The Boz]

This is fucking disgusting, even for the trolling levels of these forums most of us have been involved in.

For anyone who questions at times why they even post and deal with the nonsense on these forums, this is example #1 of why it’s a waste of time.

Truly sickening. Hopefully the Funeral Home removes these comments.

Edited because it appears MDawg is stating he did not post this garbage. Whomever is posting as both of them thinking this is funny is seriously mentally deranged.

[kewlJ]

This is fucking disgusting, even for the trolling levels of these forums most of us have been involved in.

For anyone who questions at times why they even post and deal with the nonsense on these forums, this is example #1 of why it’s a waste of time.

Truly sickening. Hopefully the Funeral Home removes these comments.

Edited because it appears MDawg is stating he did not post this garbage. Whomever is posting as both of them thinking this is funny is seriously mentally deranged.

Boz, there isn't a month that goes by that there isn't some bullshit incident, that I question why I put myself through this shit on these forums. And as everyone knows I even sometimes announce that I have had enough, only to calm down a couple days (sometimes hours) later and tell myself I am not going to allow these trolls and haters to drive me away.

I don't know how I will feel tomorrow or the next day, but I have once again had it. This is a level of sickness and hate that I just can't be part of.

[redietz]

No point in being on these forums. The association has always been a negative. This takes it to another level. Being associated with these forums is a detriment.

I made a post on the obit wall, both to stand on its own and to deflect from the previous nonsense. You have to provide an email address. Theoretically, the funeral home knows the email address or addresses of the person or people who posted as imposters.

[MisterV]

KJ, you seem to believe that the fact that nothing was mentioned in his obit about his BJ play shows he wasn't quite candid about his level of play and success.

I have another possible explanation for the omission.

Obits are typically written by a close family member, someone who knew the deceased well.

It may be that the writer did not approve of his gambling; perhaps it rose to the level of being a problem and / or embarrassment, I don't know.

Many people hold gamblers in a bad light, especially those whom they believe to have a gambling problem.

[smurgerburger]

KewlJ loves this stuff.

[Tasha]

No point in being on these forums. The association has always been a negative. This takes it to another level. Being associated with these forums is a detriment.

I made a post on the obit wall, both to stand on its own and to deflect from the previous nonsense. You have to provide an email address. Theoretically, the funeral home knows the email address or addresses of the person or people who posted as imposters.

The thing with Email Addresses is that anyone can just make new throwaway Email Addresses just to purposely Troll Moses's obit wall with offensive posts. What needs to be done is the obit staff deleting the offensive Troll comments and then banning the IP Address like so many other Website Admins do.

[monet]

This is fucking disgusting, even for the trolling levels of these forums most of us have been involved in.

For anyone who questions at times why they even post and deal with the nonsense on these forums, this is example #1 of why it’s a waste of time.

Truly sickening. Hopefully the Funeral Home removes these comments.

Edited because it appears MDawg is stating he did not post this garbage. Whomever is posting as both of them thinking this is funny is seriously mentally deranged.

Nothing can be more disgusting than you and FagJ coming in here acting like you care or cared about Moses.
Starting this Stupid Fucking Thread.
Fucking Dirty Stinking Rat Fink Bastards.
Two Constant Lying MotherFucking Rats who constantly praise Mike the Wiz and later hate Mike the Wiz on these Forums.
You two should never be trusted in anything you do or post.
Fuck You Both!
I hope Moses or someone else faked the Obit and is Fucking with you two Twats or should I say Cunts!?
No... Rats is more appropriate.

[monet]

Boz, there isn't a month that goes by that there isn't some bullshit incident, that I question why I put myself through this shit on these forums. And as everyone knows I even sometimes announce that I have had enough, only to calm down a couple days (sometimes hours) later and tell myself I am not going to allow these trolls and haters to drive me away.

I don't know how I will feel tomorrow or the next day, but I have once again had it. This is a level of sickness and hate that I just can't be part of.

You started this stupid thread over here in hopes that this shit would happen.
You love it.
You started a thread on all gambling forums, across the internet, about the death of Moses like you actually care.
You're sick, twisted, crippled.

[monet]

It's probably because Rogan wants to interview Obama down the road.

Yes good point. Don't be surprised if Rogan stays away from or capitulates his stance on the Covid Vaccine if such a podcast comes to fruition.

It's an Entertainment show so you have to use your filter as I know you do.

That's right and who can complain about the price of the entertainment.

And let us not forget that Joe Rogan doesn't even watch Foosball or the NFL.
He literally knows nothing about it.
That's why he couldn't talk about anything NFL or Foosball related till about the last 10 minutes of the podcast.
He only had Rodgers on so he could increase his viewership.
From what I can gather Joe's sports interests are in combat sports, billiards, pool, firearms, archery and martial arts.
He knows nothing about Foosball, Baseball, Hockey, Basketball or any other like sports.

[Dan Druff]

That's too bad. I didn't want to ban the guy, but he got a little too "heated" here and it had to be done. However, as I stated earlier this year, I was willing to have him back if kewlJ was okay with it (given that he was the reason Moses was banned), and somehow it just never quite happened.

Now I wish he was unbanned so we could have heard from him at the end.

I will say that Moses always treated me respectfully, and also respected the ban itself. I had no issue with the guy.

RIP

[kewlJ]

MrV, I have considered that obits are written by others. If Moses was the full time player earning a living for the last 10 year's, what is there for anyone to disapprove of?

I hope we can all agree now that he was not. The obit does mention the business he built which is how he did make a living.

So what if he was a parttime player who made 100k over 10 years, which was his last claim? Again, whoever wrote the obit, disapproved so they omitted that? That doesn't make sense to me. The complete lack of mention of anything about blackjack leaves me to believe he didn't play anywhere near what he claimed. After all, they did at least mention some sports wagering.

But it doesn't matter now.

The post made on his obit wall by someone using my name, said nothing bad. As a matter if fact it was nice. But it wasn't me and I resent someone saying things under my name that I would have never said. I mean I would not have said he was a good guy. My experience wasn't that. Maybe off forum he was different. I wouldn't Know except for one incident.

I also would have never said I respected his blackjack expertise. Not in a million years. I saw no expertise. He didn't understand basic concepts like variance. What he had was some knowledge about a very specific game, single deck that almost no other players have much access to. So even if the things he said and his methodology worked, it should have come with a disclaimer.

Non of that matters either now.

What does matter to me is every week I see new lines of decency crossed. And posting these comments under my name is such a line. It just pissed me off.

And I don't want to guess who did it. I suspect someone hoping someone like MDawg would jump in and attack me on the obit wall or that I would attach him. MDawg says his comments were not him either (at least one) and I believe him. So whoever did this....just sick and nasty and another line crossed.

[The Boz]

This is fucking disgusting, even for the trolling levels of these forums most of us have been involved in.

For anyone who questions at times why they even post and deal with the nonsense on these forums, this is example #1 of why it’s a waste of time.

Truly sickening. Hopefully the Funeral Home removes these comments.

Edited because it appears MDawg is stating he did not post this garbage. Whomever is posting as both of them thinking this is funny is seriously mentally deranged.

Nothing can be more disgusting than you and FagJ coming in here acting like you care or cared about Moses.
Starting this Stupid Fucking Thread.
Fucking Dirty Stinking Rat Fink Bastards.
Two Constant Lying MotherFucking Rats who constantly praise Mike the Wiz and later hate Mike the Wiz on these Forums.
You two should never be trusted in anything you do or post.
Fuck You Both!
I hope Moses or someone else faked the Obit and is Fucking with you two Twats or should I say Cunts!?
No... Rats is more appropriate.

Sometimes, as hard as it is for me at times, it’s best to let someone else’s words make your point for you and say nothing. Because it says far more about them than the person or persons they are attacking.

[coach belly]

Sometimes, as hard as it is for me at times, it’s best to let someone else’s words make your point for you and say nothing. Because it says far more about them than the person or persons they are attacking.

Is the ditz charging you a flat fee for the martian lessons,
or do you have a percent of profit agreement?

[accountinquestion]

This is fucking disgusting, even for the trolling levels of these forums most of us have been involved in.

For anyone who questions at times why they even post and deal with the nonsense on these forums, this is example #1 of why it’s a waste of time.

Don't blame a forum as a whole because there is one disgusting individual in our midst. Might not even be a member on this forum.

I'd say this is #1 example of why to stay anonymous outside of people who show themselves as normal/stable/long-term posters.

Redietz - take note.

[accountinquestion]

Non of that matters either now.

OKEY DOKEY.

[MisterV]

Non of that matters either now.

OKEY DOKEY.

Let's see...did it ever REALLY matter?

[kewlJ]

More disgusting posts on the wall of the obituary of Keven Keen (moses/tater) from an imposter using names from the community, including mickeycrimm.

What the fuck is wrong with whoever is doing this? The man's family and friends are reading these comments. This is the wall of his obituary, where friends na family can post a remembrance, NOT the typical BS attacks that go on, on these forums. Seriously...WTF??!!??