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[MisterV]

I believe he said he sold ground up drywall as coke or do I misremember?

He wrote: "I sold crack weed drywall coke as a teen."

The crack was real, the coke was not: so not only was he a felon, he was a rip-off artist too.

[Treeshade]

There’s absolutely no reason for me to be alive...

Gotta give you points for your self-awareness, Sleaze.

I didn’t need to sell crack to fund my college education good buddy. All that was free. I didn’t go to Harvard either but nice try.

So let’s get into into it V

Can you prove you were not disbarred ? Obviously if I post how I came to this conclusion it would be doxing so I’m obviously not going to. However you can certainly clear all that up by posting evidence to the contrary. You won’t tho so let’s move on to the next topic.

So from the age of 14 to my senior year in high school I got caught up in the local drug trade like many kids in poor areas of the country. My area was no exception and there was a pretty big network running in the south at the time. You seem to think that the mistakes kids make as teenagers are representative of their morals or whatever. It definitely had nothing to do with my mom who was a single mother that did all she could to raise me and my younger sister after my father passed. You see most people don’t grow up with a silver spoon in their mouth like you. The realest and most trustworthy people I have encountered in my life are the ones struggling the most. They have real problems and most of them are just trying to figure out how to pay the rent or feed their families week to week.

My past is not sad it’s part of me. It’s why I will never be out worked or out hustled by guys like you. I’m confident because I put in the time and work everyday. I don’t believe most people are as successful because they lack the foundation to do what’s necessary to make it. I never forgot were I came from
And my motivation. Every trolling comment about me selling drugs as a teen to help my family get by only reinforces my belief that life happens exactly like it’s supposed to.

It’s a good thing guys like you and AIQ don’t have kids. Imagine your teenage kid making a mistake or going down the wrong path and basically calling them scum sad and sleazy lol. Your mindset the things you talk about online have showed the deep embedded resentment you have for the poor and underprivileged.

In my case I was blessed from god yes I believe in god with natural intelligence. There’s nothing you can do to improve your baseline IQ much. It’s something you are born with and as long as a child is fed properly it essentially develops as it should over time. It’s the randomness of being born with natural intelligence that got my family and I out of poverty. No one before me attended college in the history of our family. I’ve spent a great amount of time thinking about this. How much of our lives is random and out of our control to a certain degree.

So attack me on selling drugs as a teen. Lol it shows more about you then me. But then again you probably lack the basic intelligence to understand that fact. It’s not your fault tho again it’s luck of the draw, randomness.

[Treeshade]

One last thing on god I would fight you until one of us was seriously injured if you talked that shit to me at a spring fling or a Wendy’s. If I lost I find out the next day where you lived from the police report your next of kin and take it out on them because I’m a fucking lunatic when it comes to shit like that. Easy to Live life when your telling the truth. I don’t lie ever unless it’s to scum casinos.

You are a huge liar, or a coward, or somewhere in betweeen. You talk all this big talk about being a fighter willing to fight, then you bully people to make sure they won't do it.

What gives bro?

Pretty clear you have very severe mental issues. You should take a nap from this forum for a bit. Kewl won't listen, maybe you will?

Non of the above my good buddy

Have you found a lady friend yet ? Love would solve many of your issues

[Treeshade]

What about a disbarred lawyer aka failed lawyer like yourself ?

"Disbarred lawyer?""

"Failed lawyer?"

Given the fact you really know very little about me and my circumstances I'd say you're making things up: it's what liars such as yourself do.

Keep em coming though, I always enjoy getting a good laugh at your expense, Sleaze

Are you surprised by this MrV? Should anyone be surprised? I mean this is a guy who for a month went on about how I am a male prostitute targeting married men.

I don't know what is going on with this seedvalue dude. He claims to be a top AP and some of the other APs don't seem to doubt it, so maybe he is. But I do know he is exhibiting some of the same insecurity issues as some of the anti-AP crowd like Singer. It's a freaking gambling forum...no one cares (or should care) about anyones dick size.

Btw, after his comments about sitting on his porch shooting people, should seedvalues new nickname be gunplay2?

Let’s not forget the fact that in the very beginning our first interaction you accused me of being one of the worst humans on the planet, and definitely one of the worst in our community. You seem to gloss over this fact time and time again as if it’s trivial. It is not if you knew the full extent and history of our community. Maybe you don’t fully understand because you stay in Vegas primarily.

Touché on the gunplay2 comment Touché

[MisterV]

I too sold drugs as a teen: shitty Mexican weed, actually, and only enough to pay for my own stash.

But unlike you I never ripped anybody off or sold hard drugs.

Look, your back story isn't what irks me about you, it's the braggadocio crap you spew that trips my bullshit meter.

Just tone it down, we can probably coexist then.

I'm no forum cop, just keep it real.

I don't flame some posters whom others flame because I think they're honest in what they post: I don't have that feeling about you...yet.

Me, I don't lie when I post, I don't give a flying fuck about making any online friends nor do I try to persuade others to my point of view: I just call it the way I see it.

[Treeshade]

I too sold drugs as a teen: shitty Mexican weed, actually, and only enough to pay for my own stash.

But unlike you I never ripped anybody off or sold hard drugs.

Look, your back story isn't what irks me about you, it's the braggadocio crap you spew that trips my bullshit meter.

Just tone it down, we can probably coexist then.

I'm no forum cop, just keep it real.

I don't flame some posters whom others flame because I think they're honest in what they post: I don't have that feeling about you...yet.

Me, I don't lie when I post, I don't give a flying fuck about making any online friends nor do I try to persuade others to my point of view: I just call it the way I see it.

I never ripped anyone off in my life besides taking advantage of casino’s. I pay very well up to $500 per day for Just a few hours of work in most cases.

[Treeshade]

I too sold drugs as a teen: shitty Mexican weed, actually, and only enough to pay for my own stash.

But unlike you I never ripped anybody off or sold hard drugs.

Look, your back story isn't what irks me about you, it's the braggadocio crap you spew that trips my bullshit meter.

Just tone it down, we can probably coexist then.

I'm no forum cop, just keep it real.

I don't flame some posters whom others flame because I think they're honest in what they post: I don't have that feeling about you...yet.

Me, I don't lie when I post, I don't give a flying fuck about making any online friends nor do I try to persuade others to my point of view: I just call it the way I see it.

I never ripped anyone off in my life besides taking advantage of casino’s. I pay very well up to $500 per day for Just a few hours of work in most cases.

[Treeshade]

Good points, KJ.

But how often do sacrificial lambs like this dolt come waltzing through?

Gotta feast when you can.

I been here in this game longer then almost everyone I know. I’m definitely not going anywhere. Just because I didn’t join here to talk shit with you doesn’t mean I wasn’t around. I posted regularly on 2+2 when I was playing poker and that forum was really active.

[Treeshade]

I believe he said he sold ground up drywall as coke or do I misremember?

He wrote: "I sold crack weed drywall coke as a teen."

The crack was real, the coke was not: so not only was he a felon, he was a rip-off artist too.

In the south in the trailer parks poor area I grew up in during the 90s “drywall” was slang for crack. I didn’t sell ground up drywall. It was just slang in my area at the time. I don’t know what it’s called today. That was over 25 years ago and I don’t do drugs or drink. I’ve actually never did any type of drug my entire life.

[MisterV]

Well I sure as hell didn't know that: your post made it sound like you were cutting cocaine with (powdered) drywall.

[kewlJ]

Let’s not forget the fact that in the very beginning our first interaction you accused me of being one of the worst humans on the planet, and definitely one of the worst in our community. You seem to gloss over this fact time and time again as if it’s trivial. It is not if you knew the full extent and history of our community. Maybe you don’t fully understand because you stay in Vegas primarily.

Touché on the gunplay2 comment Touché

I have not forgotten, nor glossed over anything. When you showed up here attacking people (me) for no reason and knowing all the history of the forum and community I asked a handful of people who you might be, since I am not great at determining that. 2 different people suggested JWT. So I went with that. Dan Druff confirmed that is not who you were, and I accepted that and apologized a number of times. I am not going to kiss your ass every day over it.

Also, in a different post you said that Dan Druff confirmed that you are not a sockpuppet. I don't see where that occurred at all. Dan confirmed you were not JWT. He wasn't asked if you were a sock puppet of someone else. Again, your digging up crap from years ago, suggests to me that you are. But I don't care and am not requesting Dan look into that.

And if I am not mistaken, when Dan stated that you were not JWT, he did comment that your frequently troll him on twitter using different burner accounts. If that isn't sock puppetry, it is a very close cousin.

[kewlJ]

Unrelated, but in reading Alan's free play thread at WoV, I see discussion of selling FP for 90 or 95 cents on the dollar. Mdawg weighed in that he would like to sell his promo chips for table game play for 90 cents on the dollar. I am shocked that neither you (seedvalue) or Axelwolf of someone who knows better didn't chime in on how that is NOT the same thing. Promo chips are worth less that 50% face value, depending on exactly what kind, keep until you lose or one play only.

[jbjb]

Unrelated, but in reading Alan's free play thread at WoV, I see discussion of selling FP for 90 or 95 cents on the dollar. Mdawg weighed in that he would like to sell his promo chips for table game play for 90 cents on the dollar. I am shocked that neither you (seedvalue) or Axelwolf of someone who knows better didn't chime in on how that is NOT the same thing. Promo chips are worth less that 50% face value, depending on exactly what kind, keep until you lose or one play only.

Use until lose chips are the same as cash

[kewlJ]

Use until lose chips are the same as cash

Yeah, I guess that would be right. But aren't most promo chips now "one use" meaning they take the chip win or lose?

I guess it could be different for high end players.

Playing almost exclusively unrated, promo chip are one of the things I basically give up to be able to keep playing.

[kewlJ]

Also I would think promo chips are non transferable and it would be rather easy for the casino to determine that the player using them had not been issued any promo chips.

[Treeshade]

Let’s not forget the fact that in the very beginning our first interaction you accused me of being one of the worst humans on the planet, and definitely one of the worst in our community. You seem to gloss over this fact time and time again as if it’s trivial. It is not if you knew the full extent and history of our community. Maybe you don’t fully understand because you stay in Vegas primarily.

Touché on the gunplay2 comment Touché

I have not forgotten, nor glossed over anything. When you showed up here attacking people (me) for no reason and knowing all the history of the forum and community I asked a handful of people who you might be, since I am not great at determining that. 2 different people suggested JWT. So I went with that. Dan Druff confirmed that is not who you were, and I accepted that and apologized a number of times. I am not going to kiss your ass every day over it.

Also, in a different post you said that Dan Druff confirmed that you are not a sockpuppet. I don't see where that occurred at all. Dan confirmed you were not JWT. He wasn't asked if you were a sock puppet of someone else. Again, your digging up crap from years ago, suggests to me that you are. But I don't care and am not requesting Dan look into that.

And if I am not mistaken, when Dan stated that you were not JWT, he did comment that your frequently troll him on twitter using different burner accounts. If that isn't sock puppetry, it is a very close cousin.

Well I have one twitter account since the first year twitter came online. It’s private so idk what he’s referring to. I had a number of imposters the last few years after some details of a mid 6 figure play was leaked by someone picking up for my team. This lead to a few members being doxed and ultimately removed from the rotation. I don’t have personal Facebook accounts or other social media accounts. There are no pictures of me on the internet. I don’t use a phone that is registered in my name or anyone in my family. I use burner phones and throw away emails always. I drive rented vehicles by other people when entering casino parking garages. I don’t have a personal players card in most states. I learned from one of the best to ever do it and these are the things I learned from him. It seems every time a break one of these rules bad things happen. Again I’m not a sock of anyone. I’m not looking for anything either gunz. So don’t worry

[Treeshade]

Let’s not forget the fact that in the very beginning our first interaction you accused me of being one of the worst humans on the planet, and definitely one of the worst in our community. You seem to gloss over this fact time and time again as if it’s trivial. It is not if you knew the full extent and history of our community. Maybe you don’t fully understand because you stay in Vegas primarily.

Touché on the gunplay2 comment Touché

I have not forgotten, nor glossed over anything. When you showed up here attacking people (me) for no reason and knowing all the history of the forum and community I asked a handful of people who you might be, since I am not great at determining that. 2 different people suggested JWT. So I went with that. Dan Druff confirmed that is not who you were, and I accepted that and apologized a number of times. I am not going to kiss your ass every day over it.

Also, in a different post you said that Dan Druff confirmed that you are not a sockpuppet. I don't see where that occurred at all. Dan confirmed you were not JWT. He wasn't asked if you were a sock puppet of someone else. Again, your digging up crap from years ago, suggests to me that you are. But I don't care and am not requesting Dan look into that.

And if I am not mistaken, when Dan stated that you were not JWT, he did comment that your frequently troll him on twitter using different burner accounts. If that isn't sock puppetry, it is a very close cousin.

Well I have one twitter account since the first year twitter came online. It’s private so idk what he’s referring to. I had a number of imposters the last few years after some details of a mid 6 figure play was leaked by someone picking up for my team. This lead to a few members being doxed and ultimately removed from the rotation. I don’t have personal Facebook accounts or other social media accounts. There are no pictures of me on the internet. I don’t use a phone that is registered in my name or anyone in my family. I use burner phones and throw away emails always. I drive rented vehicles by other people when entering casino parking garages. I don’t have a personal players card in most states. I learned from one of the best to ever do it and these are the things I learned from him. It seems every time a break one of these rules bad things happen. Again I’m not a sock of anyone. I’m not looking for anything either gunz. So don’t worry

One last thing I’m not unaware of Dans abilities to use device info, Ip, and location info when logging into his forum. His skills are well regarded in the community when it comes to computers and different things. I just know he’s a stand up guy that wouldn’t use that information nefariously. While he could get a general region or specific IP there’s also things one could do on the users end to mask “somewhat” those identity markers. Or at least have the device and location match someone of your choosing. Once again I’m not here to get anything from you. I don’t necessarily believe everything you say but that’s my opinion. Just like you don’t believe many things I say. I don’t want or need you to kiss or lick my asshole either. I’m not really into that type of thing.

[accountinquestion]

One last thing on god I would fight you until one of us was seriously injured if you talked that shit to me at a spring fling or a Wendy’s. If I lost I find out the next day where you lived from the police report your next of kin and take it out on them because I’m a fucking lunatic when it comes to shit like that. Easy to Live life when your telling the truth. I don’t lie ever unless it’s to scum casinos.

You are a huge liar, or a coward, or somewhere in betweeen. You talk all this big talk about being a fighter willing to fight, then you bully people to make sure they won't do it.

What gives bro?

Pretty clear you have very severe mental issues. You should take a nap from this forum for a bit. Kewl won't listen, maybe you will?

Non of the above my good buddy

Have you found a lady friend yet ? Love would solve many of your issues

I'm sure my girlfriends are more real than yours.

[MisterV]

"If I lost I find out the next day where you lived from the police report your next of kin and take it out on them because I’m a fucking lunatic when it comes to shit like that."

Assuming this is a true statement of your feelings and intent and not just some more bloviated bullshit then the conclusion is inescapable: you, sir, are a true menace to society.

Or as you so aptly describe yourself, you are "a fucking lunatic."

Might be time to reexamine your priorities in life; you keep up with that attitude and you'll likely be killed in a stupid fight or imprisoned thereafter.

Think about it.

[accountinquestion]

Well I sure as hell didn't know that: your post made it sound like you were cutting cocaine with (powdered) drywall.

Save of the year - drywall was slang for crack. Thats why he called it "drywall crack" and not just drywall or whatever the fuck. makes total sense.