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  1. #1
    I play Super Times Pay, and Double Super Times Pay.
    I was looking at the Double Super Times Pay on the wizardofodds site. It says just add 0.5% to the base return to get an accurate return.
    It than gives a more accurate calculation of the formula: 1.004126984 b + 0.000921844
    I get the "+ 0.000921844" is for the 20x on a dealt royal flush.
    But I don't understand the 1.004126984. What I mean by I don't understand, is that I get a different number for the calculation.

    I get 1.00190476 for my calculation.
    Can someone explain to me how he got 1.004126984, or double check that number with your own calculation?

  2. #2
    Originally Posted by beltshaz View Post
    I play Super Times Pay, and Double Super Times Pay.
    I was looking at the Double Super Times Pay on the wizardofodds site. It says just add 0.5% to the base return to get an accurate return.
    It than gives a more accurate calculation of the formula: 1.004126984 b + 0.000921844
    I get the "+ 0.000921844" is for the 20x on a dealt royal flush.
    But I don't understand the 1.004126984. What I mean by I don't understand, is that I get a different number for the calculation.

    I get 1.00190476 for my calculation.
    Can someone explain to me how he got 1.004126984, or double check that number with your own calculation?
    We have the three cases of no multipliers,one multiplier (either on the deal or on the draw), and two multipliers (both on the deal and on the draw).
    Since the multiplier has a 1 in 15 chance of occurring on the deal or on the draw we have:
    The probability of not getting any multipliers is 14/15 squared or 0.871111111
    The probability of getting one multiplier is [(14/15)*(1/15)]+[(1/15)*(14/15)] or 0.124444444 (getting the multiplier on the draw but not on the deal plus getting it on the deal but not on the draw)
    The probability of getting two multipliers is 1/15 squared or 0.004444444 .

    Since 7 coins are getting wagered for a 5 coin pay table, the return is 5/7 of the base game or (5/7)*B.
    Noting that the average multiplier is 4.01 we have:
    [(5/7)*(0.871111111)]*B + [(5/7)*4.01*0.124444444)]*B + [(5/7)*2*4.01*0.004444444]*B which is 1.00412698
    of the base game.

  3. #3
    The calculation you're referring to aims to adjust the base return rate by accounting for the additional 20x payout on a dealt royal flush. The number 1.004126984 reflects this adjustment, ensuring a more accurate estimate of the game's return rate. Your calculation might differ due to rounding or a slight variation in methodology.

  4. #4
    Originally Posted by Brooklynn View Post
    The calculation you're referring to aims to adjust the base return rate by accounting for the additional 20x payout on a dealt royal flush. The number 1.004126984 reflects this adjustment, ensuring a more accurate estimate of the game's return rate. Your calculation might differ due to rounding or a slight variation in methodology.
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  5. #5
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Originally Posted by Brooklynn View Post
    The calculation you're referring to aims to adjust the base return rate by accounting for the additional 20x payout on a dealt royal flush. The number 1.004126984 reflects this adjustment, ensuring a more accurate estimate of the game's return rate. Your calculation might differ due to rounding or a slight variation in methodology. As for playing, I personally enjoy Slot77 Online. It's a reliable platform with good winning odds and strong player security measures. Give it a try and see how it goes!
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  6. #6
    A little off topic, but I love Double Super Times Pay from two standpoints:

    1) It's fun. I find regular VP to be boring, so this adds excitement to the game. Yes, it's tilting when you get an 8+ multiplier and it bricks badly (especially when you have big draw), but I find it way more fun to play than normal VP

    2) It adds roughly 0.5% return to the game, so it's +EV to play versus skipping it. And some casinos don't realize it, causing them to accidentally offer better games than they intend.


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  7. #7
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    2) It adds roughly 0.5% return to the game, so it's +EV to play versus skipping it. And some casinos don't realize it, causing them to accidentally offer better games than they intend.
    I always look, but haven't found anything lately.

    UX can have camouflaged goodness because 7/5 Bonus (usually 98.0%) returns 99.4% on UX 10-play.

  8. #8
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    2) It adds roughly 0.5% return to the game, so it's +EV to play versus skipping it. And some casinos don't realize it, causing them to accidentally offer better games than they intend.
    I always look, but haven't found anything lately.

    UX can have camouflaged goodness because 7/5 Bonus (usually 98.0%) returns 99.4% on UX 10-play.
    Yup that's what I was playing when I hit my 64k royal in November
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  9. #9
    Well it does cost another credit per spin over regular Super Times. And if you're playing a high variance game like Tripple Double Bonus, then the swings can be stressful. But, If you can get 9-6 or even 9-7 pay tables, then it can be profitable IF you hit it quickly. And if you're playing 10 hands, you can absolutely crush with a multiplier (or two) and with a dealt hand.
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