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  1. #81
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Secondly, your last comment is a prime example of why people concerned about these things stopped using global warming and changed to climate change.
    Global warming didn't fit the narrative so now the goal posts have moved and it is called climate change.
    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Is there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures that I'm not aware of?

    AFAIK it is quite known temperatures have been going up (and substantially at that).

    The problem is all the whataboutism. When you say "global warming" anyone can point to some ice storm and say "what about this!?". So IMO this is why the term global warming went out of fashion. I prefer Earth baking myself but whatevers.
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  2. #82
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Secondly, your last comment is a prime example of why people concerned about these things stopped using global warming and changed to climate change.
    Global warming didn't fit the narrative so now the goal posts have moved and it is called climate change.
    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Oh. So there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures?
    Winters that are much colder than average don't fit with the global warming narrative so it got rebranded as climate change. Whatever it takes to keep the gravy train going. How you got that I implied there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures from my post before this one is anyone's guess.

    There was also a rapid temperature spike to the upside a few hundred millions years back that was specifically posted on VCT, but only the industrial spike is not ignored (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...082#post148082).

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  4. #84
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Global warming didn't fit the narrative so now the goal posts have moved and it is called climate change.
    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Oh. So there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures?
    Winters that are much colder than average don't fit with the global warming narrative so it got rebranded as climate change. Whatever it takes to keep the gravy train going. How you got that I implied there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures from my post before this one is anyone's guess.

    There was also a rapid temperature spike to the upside a few hundred millions years back that was specifically posted on VCT, but only the industrial spike is not ignored (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...082#post148082).

    Assume temperatures are real.
    Then that means the global warming IS happening. Even you seem to refer to it below as "rapid" spike.
    So how were goalposts needed to be moved given the truth is obvious?
    From my understanding of your argument at the time, there is no global warming therefore the "goalposts had to be moved".
    Otherwise why did they need to move the goalposts??
    Their "goal" was and is unfortunately being met.
    The people who fund this stuff aren't so simple they wouldn't notice the obvious.
    So for global warming to not be real - the temperatures recorded have to be fake.
    If they aren't fake then global warming is real so why in the fuck were any goalposts in need of moving !?! Does this make sense?

    Regarding the rapid spike you reference a few hundred years ago. So lets put this in terms us APs can understand. We'll say 200,000,000 years instead of a few hundred - that is in your favor. Then we'll give us this temperature spike over the course of 200 years. So... I guess a 1 in a million shot was hit by all these scientists? Right outta the gate they nail a 1 in million shot. Wow!!!! Holy fuck! Just to clarify here, those are the odds that all these scientists are wrong about the whys of Earth Baking while randomly nailing the timeframe. Wheres Alan when I need him?

    To me, the interesting thing is this idea of goalpost moving. Initially most anti-climate change people just said it was all bullshit. Now they've shifted their opinion to yes, we're warming but now it is either not manmade or won't make a difference. I guess there is personal cognitive goalpost for everyone. Some people like to challenge their beliefs, some are the opposite.

    It also comes down to this most unfortunate idea that somehow science is the new tyrant. That it should all be disbelieved regardless of any context. Your first opinion should be to call bullshit then see how it personally affects you before it is accepted. It is unfortunate. I'm not arguing against skepticism but this sorta goes beyond skepticism. Science has always had funders and things of that nature. There are reasons the smartest figure out who the smartest are and they all listen to each other. This is how we've progressed as a species in addition to directly from capitalism. Now? hahahahahahah,............


    To be clear - this is my motivation in arguing with you people.
    While I've basically given up on people not being doomed, I'm not going to give people a pass all the time on ignoring the outcomes of their values and decisions. I've contributed far far more to this than the average human of my years. In general though I am low footprint these days. An electric car may or may not be worse than a ICE car. I haven't researched it extensively. I see all these highways around .. constantly under work. I think of how this could have been put into far more sustainable stuff... but nah. I guess they can be retrofitted with tracks. Even if manmade climate change isn't real there is peak oil not too far out... but capitalism is 100% about the shorterm in these decisions... well given the values of the people participating.

    Anyway, hope this long ass post is enough for you people to not pester me anymore
    Last edited by accountinquestion; 09-14-2022 at 11:21 PM.
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  5. #85
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by JSTAT View Post
    Calling me a goofball! Let me tell you I have been winning in casinos than you. I'm not in the mood to match wits with trolls like yourself. Go play on the freeway :-(
    Until you quit denying the Hi-Lo Count is a winning method you're just a goofball....and a fraud.

    JSTAT on casinos, poker, and blackjack/baccarat card counting without charge. Saying what needs to said at https://twitter.com/Casino_Examiner

  6. #86
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    I’ve been in every state this year from Indiana to Maine there’s nothing different about the weather then years past IMO. In fact it seems kind of mild the summer in a few of these states. Sea level is lower then average on the coast. Idk it seems like maybe California should manage their natural resources better instead of trying to get every kid to transition to the opposite sex at the age of 8
    Montana turns green in May/June but by the end of July everything turns brown from lack of rain. But this year it's stayed green all summer because of an abundance of rain.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  7. #87
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    The rate of increase is very large in past 100 years. That has nothing to do with sampling. That was also predicted before it happened.

    There are also various ways of estimating the temperature going back million of years but people can make up excuses that it is biased and bullshit. Shrug. I'm not anywhere near that level of scientist to begin to know, but I do know the people who claim bullshit don't seem to understand it any better than myself.

    Crazy how politicized this issue has become. Fairly sad. Not that it matters, but just that ameliorating this in hopes of having a sustainable future will never happen because it is something libtards made up or whatever people want to believe.

    Mankind probably had no hope to make it past 200 years of modern civilization just because ... Even if this wasn't politicized. People just don't want to make anywhere near the sacrifices required. Whatever. They at least are against abortion so they can all tell themselves they're righteous.

    All these guys who claim nothing is proven and known .. well it'll be far too late by the time they come on board.

    I'd like to see in 20 years when it is beyond obvious that things have started to go to shit .. what these people with children think. I'll make sure and look them in the eye and ask them if they ever feel guilty for mocking people who cared for their children's future. Do they ever look their children in the eye and say sorry for not giving a shit about you? Ask 'em, Do you feel remorse? Why'd you want a kid if you didn't care about their future? So many questions... I'm a bit of a troll in real life too but fuck'em back.
    Do you know why that record freeze in Texas (must be global cooling) knocked out the wind turbines? Because you didn't properly winterize them. We have them in Montana and it goes to 20 below every year, 30 below in colder years, but we have them properly winterized so they keep working.
    2 points here. You just made fun of me for there not being enough data then you bring out this. "miniscule sample space".

    Secondly, your last comment is a prime example of why people concerned about these things stopped using global warming and changed to climate change.

    Hope you're running good, bud.
    And you buying an electric car didn't eliminate any emissions. You just exported them to somewhere else. 250 tons of material had to be pulled out of the ground to make that battery in your car.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #88
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Not sure what you're talking about.

    Oh. So there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures?
    Winters that are much colder than average don't fit with the global warming narrative so it got rebranded as climate change. Whatever it takes to keep the gravy train going. How you got that I implied there is a global conspiracy to record fake temperatures from my post before this one is anyone's guess.

    There was also a rapid temperature spike to the upside a few hundred millions years back that was specifically posted on VCT, but only the industrial spike is not ignored (https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...082#post148082).

    Assume temperatures are real.
    Then that means the global warming IS happening. Even you seem to refer to it below as "rapid" spike.
    So how were goalposts needed to be moved given the truth is obvious?
    From my understanding of your argument at the time, there is no global warming therefore the "goalposts had to be moved".
    Otherwise why did they need to move the goalposts??
    Their "goal" was and is unfortunately being met.
    The people who fund this stuff aren't so simple they wouldn't notice the obvious.
    So for global warming to not be real - the temperatures recorded have to be fake.
    If they aren't fake then global warming is real so why in the fuck were any goalposts in need of moving !?! Does this make sense?

    Regarding the rapid spike you reference a few hundred years ago. So lets put this in terms us APs can understand. We'll say 200,000,000 years instead of a few hundred - that is in your favor. Then we'll give us this temperature spike over the course of 200 years. So... I guess a 1 in a million shot was hit by all these scientists? Right outta the gate they nail a 1 in million shot. Wow!!!! Holy fuck! Just to clarify here, those are the odds that all these scientists are wrong about the whys of Earth Baking while randomly nailing the timeframe. Wheres Alan when I need him?

    To me, the interesting thing is this idea of goalpost moving. Initially most anti-climate change people just said it was all bullshit. Now they've shifted their opinion to yes, we're warming but now it is either not manmade or won't make a difference. I guess there is personal cognitive goalpost for everyone. Some people like to challenge their beliefs, some are the opposite.

    It also comes down to this most unfortunate idea that somehow science is the new tyrant. That it should all be disbelieved regardless of any context. Your first opinion should be to call bullshit then see how it personally affects you before it is accepted. It is unfortunate. I'm not arguing against skepticism but this sorta goes beyond skepticism. Science has always had funders and things of that nature. There are reasons the smartest figure out who the smartest are and they all listen to each other. This is how we've progressed as a species in addition to directly from capitalism. Now? hahahahahahah,............
    Science being a tyrant isn't what's largely happened, it's tyrant scientists that are more interested in grifting for funding than they are in the science. Same as journalists when they are demonized as a profession they need to be honest and look at themselves as a group about what level of responsibility they have for that perception. But nothing, ever, in a scientists life was ever a scientists fault, because they're a scientist. Engineers tend to have the same twisted pretzel logic about any possibility of fault.

  9. #89
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Science being a tyrant isn't what's largely happened, it's tyrant scientists that are more interested in grifting for funding than they are in the science. Same as journalists when they are demonized as a profession they need to be honest and look at themselves as a group about what level of responsibility they have for that perception. But nothing, ever, in a scientists life was ever a scientists fault, because they're a scientist. Engineers tend to have the same twisted pretzel logic about any possibility of fault.

    You're more reasonable than a lot of these guys on here though. I agree about "tyrant scientists" to some degree. What I don't believe is that these types of scientists are the default or majority. Yes, they need funding but to wash off Earth Baking as not being manmade because all these scientists need funding is kinda twisted thinking. I've worked for academic (military) research groups and they had a guy with a PhD whose sole skill from what I could tell was writing grants for the group. There is truth to this, but it doesn't explain the shear volume.

    Even by tableplay's numbers the scientists his a 1 in a million longshot coming out of the gate. Imagine this very large consensus of scientists all in agreement, going on for decades to only be right due to shear dumb luck.

    Although the way you talk of scientists as some big homogenous group is a head-scratcher. Is this some Fauci thing leading you to this?
    Last edited by accountinquestion; 09-15-2022 at 08:05 AM.
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  10. #90
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    And you buying an electric car didn't eliminate any emissions. You just exported them to somewhere else. 250 tons of material had to be pulled out of the ground to make that battery in your car.
    Arguable because batteries can and will be recycled to a large degree. Gasoline isn't ever recycled.
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  11. #91
    The move to EV's will make no meaningful difference to the environment.
    The transition will help funnel tax money into specific corporations and individuals who are already billionaires.
    Actually, they have been funneling tax money for about 15 some odd years now.
    And that doesn't even get into the Child and Slave Labor issue with cobalt and other LI-ON Battery Materials.
    If you really were worried or cared about it you would transition back to horse and buggy or use a bicycle.

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    Last edited by monet; 09-15-2022 at 08:39 AM.

  12. #92
    [QUOTE=accountinquestion;149073][QUOTE=Seedvalue;149069]
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post

    AIQ this is for you

    The 1965 Pakistan flood killed 10,000 people, the 2022 flood killed 1000

    Maybe Pakistan becomes the new Venice. Kinda cool[/QUOTE
    Blue ocean Adventures
    AIQ

    I used to think all of the people like you were trolls. Then I remembered IQ is basically static after a certain point in the brain’s development.

    What does that mean great seed ? Well let me elaborate.


    Simply it means that about 20 percent of all humans lack the baseline intelligence needed to function properly in society. They literally can’t play the game good enough to get the basics. It’s sad I know.

    Now the next rung about 40 percent (the most dangerous) are slightly more intelligent but lack the baseline to think critically. They are basically programmable drones. This group is the most dangerous because you can program them to do say and believe literally anything you want. This group drives social discourse and at the same time are responsible for things like making your coffee at Starbucks and checking you out at the grocery store. So they are very useful however if programmed wrong could become very dangerous.

    From their it gets more nuanced

    They next about 20 percent are above baseline intelligence. They have Just enough critical thinking skills to work out a nice living in society. They may have a few bad years economically but have what it takes upstairs to get by and figure out a process to fix things. This group can still be swayed and programmed however it’s most likely because of influence from their inner circle. Think coming from a strong family that believes one set of values and you just go with that your entire life. However they are not radical . They figured out how to play the game good enough to be happy. They don’t want to rock the boat. Most are good middle management/ operations types. Dependable

    The next about 10 percent ( this is where I put you AIQ) are highly intelligent when compared to the bottom 20 percent. They have have all the tools and critical thinking skills to be the most successful in society. Many are entrepreneurs. They probably did well in school and only underachieve in certain areas because they lack interest. This group is smart enough to critically think but often are quick to develop opinions without fully researching a subject. This is because they have navigated life rather easily and never had to pay the price for being wrong. When they are wrong because of a lack of understanding they are quick witted enough to figure out a more optimal path and off they go again. Never really putting much thought into why. A critical flaw most in this group have is a lack of self awareness. This group often forms radical ideas because of this flaw. They may become jaded over their life after repeated failures, and since they lack the ability to look in the mirror for answers they lash out and blame others. Perhaps even entire groups of people. They often latch on to other like minded people who feel the same. But instead of being programmed they try and program their new friends. Giving them endless examples as to why things are a certain way. Looking for comfort in convincing others to agree with them.

    I will finish the last 10 percent later

    I break that down in

    5 percent

    2 percent

    2 percent

    And the 1 percent or seed level of Intelligence
    lol you're an idiot. No wonder you use oil to BBQ with.. JFC. Try harder, bro.

    If your brag is you're in top 1% then lol okey dokey. At least you can get into Mensa. Then maybe they'll give you a card you can keep in your wallet and flash around when you need proof of being a bona-fide genius.

    I have no interest in Mensa or spending time with douchbags who think they are smart by taking a 5th grade IQ test. I destroyed all these dorks in college, the Elliot types. And why do you keep using the word Bro ? Are you in the 8th grade ?

    However the Mensa types are in the next tier of my scale. The next 2 percent is made up of the elite university minds. The very ones who test high and often spend their life in academia. What separates the last 3 tiers in my scale is not raw intellect but subtle differences in things like Emotional intelligence.

    Seed level means exactly what you think. The elite humans who’s DNA you would use to seed life on another planet. They have complete control of their emotions and intelligence. I will elaborate when I have time.

    AIQ you lack the emotional intelligence to score higher. This also is probably the reason you have spent the majority of your life pussyfree, and now are jaded. Latching on to climate cults for a sense of purpose.

  13. #93
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by mcap View Post
    Science being a tyrant isn't what's largely happened, it's tyrant scientists that are more interested in grifting for funding than they are in the science. Same as journalists when they are demonized as a profession they need to be honest and look at themselves as a group about what level of responsibility they have for that perception. But nothing, ever, in a scientists life was ever a scientists fault, because they're a scientist. Engineers tend to have the same twisted pretzel logic about any possibility of fault.

    You're more reasonable than a lot of these guys on here though. I agree about "tyrant scientists" to some degree. What I don't believe is that these types of scientists are the default or majority. Yes, they need funding but to wash off Earth Baking as not being manmade because all these scientists need funding is kinda twisted thinking. I've worked for academic (military) research groups and they had a guy with a PhD whose sole skill from what I could tell was writing grants for the group. There is truth to this, but it doesn't explain the shear volume.

    Even by tableplay's numbers the scientists his a 1 in a million longshot coming out of the gate. Imagine this very large consensus of scientists all in agreement, going on for decades to only be right due to shear dumb luck.

    Although the way you talk of scientists as some big homogenous group is a head-scratcher. Is this some Fauci thing leading you to this?
    Now you want us to believe you have worked for military research groups ? Let me guess this was probably on your time off from interviewing kings and queens, counting 3 tables at once, and witnessing 18 yos in a row.

  14. #94
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    The move to EV's will make no meaningful difference to the environment.
    The transition will help funnel tax money into specific corporations and individuals who are already billionaires.
    Actually, they have been funneling tax money for about 15 some odd years now.
    And that doesn't even get into the Child and Slave Labor issue with cobalt and other LI-ON Battery Materials.
    If you really were worried or cared about it you would transition back to horse and buggy or use a bicycle.


    One of the most intelligent spot on post I’ve ever read.

  15. #95
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Now you want us to believe you have worked for military research groups ? Let me guess this was probably on your time off from interviewing kings and queens, counting 3 tables at once, and witnessing 18 yos in a row.
    Boundless projection with you. Spew bs then claim everyone else does....

    Maybe they weren't a military research group but they 100% had contracts with the military. They had to go out and play golf and shit lol. I never said I was a researcher or anyone of any importance there. They had no classified stuff that required a clearance. It was all software for military to test stuff AFAIK but I wasn't directly involved with any development or research. I just became familiar with the characters there. My guess is there are many many of these sorts of small groups and being a contractor for them in some capacity is really nothing impressive. Trust me, bro.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  16. #96
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    The move to EV's will make no meaningful difference to the environment.
    The transition will help funnel tax money into specific corporations and individuals who are already billionaires.
    Actually, they have been funneling tax money for about 15 some odd years now.
    And that doesn't even get into the Child and Slave Labor issue with cobalt and other LI-ON Battery Materials.
    If you really were worried or cared about it you would transition back to horse and buggy or use a bicycle.

    I really wanted to hear his main point 1/3 of the way through he had done nothing but try to convince people he wasn't biased. Then later he ridicules EV owners for saving baby koalas. Ok dude. Next.

    Anytime you listen to someone who spends that much effort trying to convince you they are unbiased then they almost always are biased.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  17. #97
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Seed level means exactly what you think. The elite humans who’s DNA you would use to seed life on another planet.
    All in a dream.




    (start at 2:49 if not a Neil Young fan).
    What, Me Worry?

  18. #98
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    If you really were worried or cared about it you would transition back to horse and buggy or use a bicycle.
    Not sure about horse and buggy. Not sure about how most people would feed/store them? But do tell.

    Bicycles are ok but limited. Everyone wants to drive huge cars. That's great but it makes it very unsafe for smaller and more fragile cars to drive with reasonable safety. The basic fact is when you are moving around something that weighs 20x what you weigh just to get somewhere - there is a huge inefficiency.

    The real solution is mass transportation but we're too busy fixing every highway in existence for more traffic. This shit takes 10 years to plan/complete it seems and by then we're going to see more and more effects and have to start abandoning that approach. Rebuilding infrastructure won't be cheap and understandably leads to resistance to these things.

    Again, I'm not saying what we should do, I'm just stating what would need to be done. And don't forget nuclear. This is where the greenies are wrong.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  19. #99
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    If you really were worried or cared about it you would transition back to horse and buggy or use a bicycle.
    Not sure about horse and buggy. Not sure about how most people would feed/store them? But do tell.

    Bicycles are ok but limited. Everyone wants to drive huge cars. That's great but it makes it very unsafe for smaller and more fragile cars to drive with reasonable safety. The basic fact is when you are moving around something that weighs 20x what you weigh just to get somewhere - there is a huge inefficiency.

    The real solution is mass transportation but we're too busy fixing every highway in existence for more traffic. This shit takes 10 years to plan/complete it seems and by then we're going to see more and more effects and have to start abandoning that approach. Rebuilding infrastructure won't be cheap and understandably leads to resistance to these things.

    Again, I'm not saying what we should do, I'm just stating what would need to be done. And don't forget nuclear. This is where the greenies are wrong.

    This is a quote from your hero Elliot

    “Musk, Bezos, Branson ... Charles ... this type of wealth, power, privilege and influence is the sickest end point of modern civilization. Among all who will suffer, if I am around to witness it, I will be relieved to watch their fall (and subsequent escape to a bunker in NZ).”

    Like I said Envy the worst of all sins.

    envy is one of the most potent causes of unhappiness, bringing sorrow to committers of envy, while giving them the urge to inflict pain upon others

    Climate cult leaders are fueled by envy.

  20. #100
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Now you want us to believe you have worked for military research groups ? Let me guess this was probably on your time off from interviewing kings and queens, counting 3 tables at once, and witnessing 18 yos in a row.
    Boundless projection with you. Spew bs then claim everyone else does....

    Maybe they weren't a military research group but they 100% had contracts with the military. They had to go out and play golf and shit lol. I never said I was a researcher or anyone of any importance there. They had no classified stuff that required a clearance. It was all software for military to test stuff AFAIK but I wasn't directly involved with any development or research. I just became familiar with the characters there. My guess is there are many many of these sorts of small groups and being a contractor for them in some capacity is really nothing impressive. Trust me, bro.

    Spew BS ?

    Yeah total BS to make over a million a year for over 20 years totally not possible when your at the top of the game and spend 70 hours a week doing it. Lol
    So it must be BS !!!!!


    Envy has you thinking it’s BS.

    Weather was perfect today. It rained at home so I had the landscaper make sure my lawn sprinklers came
    on during the storm to waste maximum water.

    I’m trying to basically do everything the opposite of climate doomers. Looking to purchase one of those tricked out mini tractor trailers. Burn as much raw oil and diesel as I can.

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