Slot AP Data Collection

[Treeshade]

My stats say Mini 30 is breakeven if minor/major at reset, minor 23 at breakeven if mini/major at reset, and major at breakeven at 40 if mini/minor at reset.

I also do combination plays when mini and minor total to 40.

This one I took came off at 67. I've never seen one come off higher, but I'm guessing others with more exposure to the game have seen it come off higher than this.

I’ve seen many run into the 70s mostly in casinos known to have low RTP setups. Highest was 78 that was started at 42 with a 35 minor

[tableplay]

I’ve seen many run into the 70s mostly in casinos known to have low RTP setups. Highest was 78 that was started at 42 with a 35 minor

Impressive Seed Value - 78 is rarefied territory (I would think) and the population of people who have observed this or higher begins to drop off steeply I would guess.

[Badger]

My stats say Mini 30 is breakeven if minor/major at reset, minor 23 at breakeven if mini/major at reset, and major at breakeven at 40 if mini/minor at reset.

I also do combination plays when mini and minor total to 40.

This one I took came off at 67. I've never seen one come off higher, but I'm guessing others with more exposure to the game have seen it come off higher than this.

Fellow AP I'm friendly with had a mini run to 83. Sounds hard to believe but he showed me a picture to prove it. I believe he was playing $8/spin too.

Obviously he lost on the play. I don't remember how much he lost but I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't as bad as I would have thought given how high it ran. I believe he found it in the 30s.

[smurgerburger]

If anyone remembers the Harley Davidson game, the progenitor of all these, I actually walked up to a mini that was over 100.

I believe Mickey had them as a play at 40 so 100 was extremely rare.

[accountinquestion]

If anyone remembers the Harley Davidson game, the progenitor of all these, I actually walked up to a mini that was over 100.

I believe Mickey had them as a play at 40 so 100 was extremely rare.

I believe the Harley was what set me down this path. Heard some guys talking about it at the poker table and how it never had any plays anymore. That must have been 5 years ago or so.

[tableplay]

If anyone remembers the Harley Davidson game, the progenitor of all these, I actually walked up to a mini that was over 100.

I believe Mickey had them as a play at 40 so 100 was extremely rare.

Nice find. Huge moneymakers - too bad they are all but extinct (AFAIK).

[tableplay]

Fellow AP I'm friendly with had a mini run to 83. Sounds hard to believe but he showed me a picture to prove it. I believe he was playing $8/spin too.
Obviously he lost on the play. I don't remember how much he lost but I remember thinking at the time that it wasn't as bad as I would have thought given how high it ran. I believe he found it in the 30s.

Holy smoke. Depending on what quartile of the 30s he found it in, that could lead to a $1500 loss give or take a few hundred unless he got some lucky wheel spins (minor,major, 5 free games with 3 wild reels, etc.) or a blackout on the base game along the way. Anyway, shit happens - naked Mini 30s need to be taken down, end of story.

[mickeycrimm]

If anyone remembers the Harley Davidson game, the progenitor of all these, I actually walked up to a mini that was over 100.

I believe Mickey had them as a play at 40 so 100 was extremely rare.

The number was actually 45 on the mini. The Harley's started disappearing out of the casinos much quicker than most games. Just wasn't a popular game.

For outlier numbers, at Sandia, I once saw someone stuck on a Harley with the 3X at 340.

The only place left with Harley's is the Oregon Video Lottery. They have 2500 locations and there is at least 1 Harley at each location, sometimes 2. You can find it in all the bars and restaurants, plus there are standalones.

I have 2 sisters that live in Oregon so I stop in those places when passing thru. I pick off what I can but not enough money in it to hang out. To much time spent looking for plays. You have to stop at each location, go in and check for plays. There's a lot of driving around involved. Then by afternoon the seats are taken so you can't check anything.

[cyberbabble]

Mickey (or others that do a lot of machine play)-

I'm not asking about specifics but just the general feelings about how slot play is doing. I'm not going to run out and be a competitor for machines.

Now that Covid has been settled down for a while, are things better, worse, or about the same as pre-Covid?

Bad:
More competition,
internet and web sites mean information spreads more quickly,
casinos are watching these machines more closely because of vultures harassing regular customers.

Good:
Most of the newcomers aren't much of a threat to the winnings of serious players, they are lazy, incompetent, underfunded, and degen gamblers that keep on playing after the machine goes negative, they are just annoying because they clog up the seats.
The manufacturers must like the variable state games since they write about it in their advertising.
The casinos like the games because they are popular and they hook the player into trying to hit a bonus because they read about it on the internet. The casinos get their cut regardless of who wins the bonus money.
So there are more variable state machines and more different games to analyze.

Better, worse, or can't see much change?

[The Boz]

There is a machine out there called “Palace of Wonders” that is a 100% Harley clone. Here is a video of it.

[Don Perignom]

The manufacturers must like the variable state games since they write about it in their advertising.

They like variable state games, but they love fake variable state games (i.e., perceived persistence, or fake AP).

https://ggbnews.com/article/not-all-...games-persist/

I've noticed some of the YouTube slot degens are aware of this stuff. Vegas Matt sometimes speculates as to whether a game is a real accumulator. He uses the word "perceived." He rarely plays anything with an outright edge, but will often seek out higher than average accumulations.

[jbjb]

Is it possible the Harleys were mainly pulled due to licensing issues?

[mickeycrimm]

Mickey (or others that do a lot of machine play)-

I'm not asking about specifics but just the general feelings about how slot play is doing. I'm not going to run out and be a competitor for machines.

Now that Covid has been settled down for a while, are things better, worse, or about the same as pre-Covid?

Bad:
More competition,
internet and web sites mean information spreads more quickly,
casinos are watching these machines more closely because of vultures harassing regular customers.

Good:
Most of the newcomers aren't much of a threat to the winnings of serious players, they are lazy, incompetent, underfunded, and degen gamblers that keep on playing after the machine goes negative, they are just annoying because they clog up the seats.
The manufacturers must like the variable state games since they write about it in their advertising.
The casinos like the games because they are popular and they hook the player into trying to hit a bonus because they read about it on the internet. The casinos get their cut regardless of who wins the bonus money.
So there are more variable state machines and more different games to analyze.

Better, worse, or can't see much change?

2022 was my best year. Could have done the same this year but have slowed down. New accumulator games keep coming.

I avoid locations with heavy competition from other slot AP's because sweating the ploppies is not my style. When you've got heavy competition you have to work the busy times and sit and wait for ploppies to get up from machines in positive mode. So you are putting in a lot of hours.

When there is low or no competition a ploppie can get up from a machine in positive mode at 11 PM at night and the play is still sitting there when I come thru at 8 in the morning. I go where there is low or no competition.

I don't spend hours in the casino. I go in, make a lap around the machines picking off the plays I find, then leave. You can't do that if the competition is heavy-you won't find anything.

As long as manufacturer's keep coming out with the accumulator games slot AP's have a bright future.

[mickeycrimm]

There is a machine out there called “Palace of Wonders” that is a 100% Harley clone. Here is a video of it.

I've seen the game in a few locations.

[accountinquestion]

Is it possible the Harleys were mainly pulled due to licensing issues?

Licensing would have already been taken care of by the time the machines left development. I suppose the agreement could have only been valid for X amount of years which came to a close but not likely IMO.

[cyberbabble]

Is it possible the Harleys were mainly pulled due to licensing issues?

Licensing would have already been taken care of by the time the machines left development. I suppose the agreement could have only been valid for X amount of years which came to a close but not likely IMO.

I think these "name brand" machines pay a monthly royalty fee as long as they are installed. I may be wrong though.

In any case, money has to be paid to the royalty holder. This means less for the casino. So these machines tend to be tighter. If the machine doesn't get good play based on the name then the casinos are quick to swap them out for a better earning machine.

A few years back, my local casino had 3 Harleys. They didn't seem very popular and they didn't last long.

[DGenBen]

New record? Not mine thank god

[tableplay]

New record? Not mine thank god

Well it would be good if it was yours if you first jumped on it in the 80's or higher. Now I feel embarrassed about posting my 67 Mini. Thanks for posting.

[DGenBen]

New record? Not mine thank god

Well it would be good if it was yours if you first jumped on it in the 80's or higher. Now I feel embarrassed about posting my 67 Mini. Thanks for posting.

Excellent point! I hadn’t even considered that.

Of course unless you found it at a casino in Timbuktu probably tough to find one in the 80s as it would be about 5 deep in Chinese Campers by the time it got into the 30s.

[tableplay]

Of course unless you found it at a casino in Timbuktu probably tough to find one in the 80s as it would be about 5 deep in Chinese Campers by the time it got into the 30s.

Yes. You should of seen the crowd behind me when my 67 mini was in the 40s - it was like being in downtown Hong Kong.