I applaud your offer to AM over on WOV...it's forum transparency on a scale that I can't ever recall.
But it's not unconditional transparency, and that is discouraging.
I don't understand the relevance of Alan retracting his 18 yo claim...it seems like a deliberate dealbreaker.
I sincerely hope that Alan swallows his pride, and accepts your offer.
But if he doesn't accept, then I will.
If you need to extract a pound of flesh from somebody to prove yourself, then I'm your huckleberry.
Say when.
Maybe that seed value is different then Me. Not like I have a trademark on the name or something.Originally Posted by coach belly
Definitely not the same but I would pay to see the mission fight. You guys should produce a ppv and sell tickets. What ever happened to that ?
For the record...are you denying that the WOV Seedvalue is you?Originally Posted by Seedvalue
How much are you willing to pay to see the fight?
Coach do realize how many fucking narcs and darksiders are on these forums ? You got to use a jailbroken Burner with ghost sims and leech off other peoples wifi and all types of shit Just to communicate with them. If not they all try to data base you narc you out to casinos, sue you, and all types of shit. AP online community is made up mostly of cons , trolls, cops, and wannabe successful gamblers. Including most forum owners who won’t confirm or deny their involvement with lawsuits and doxing. Pathetic because they don’t have the stamina, work ethic, or intellect to succeed at the highest level. So they cuck out and become narcs.Originally Posted by coach bellyFor the record...are you denying that the WOV Seedvalue is you?Originally Posted by Seedvalue
How much are you willing to pay to see the fight?
I would pay a lot to watch that fight. I used to respect mission until that fiasco over at WOV. He’s a tuff guy also I hear. Everyone who does business with cons are sus and not to be trusted in my book.
Alan is harmless but he is sticking to the 18 yos it looks like.
Link please.
I truly wish people wouldn't bring these things to my attention; did it not occur to you that I almost never post here?Originally Posted by SeedvalueCoach do realize how many fucking narcs and darksiders are on these forums ? You got to use a jailbroken Burner with ghost sims and leech off other peoples wifi and all types of shit Just to communicate with them. If not they all try to data base you narc you out to casinos, sue you, and all types of shit. AP online community is made up mostly of cons , trolls, cops, and wannabe successful gamblers. Including most forum owners who won’t confirm or deny their involvement with lawsuits and doxing. Pathetic because they don’t have the stamina, work ethic, or intellect to succeed at the highest level. So they cuck out and become narcs.Originally Posted by coach bellyFor the record...are you denying that the WOV Seedvalue is you?Originally Posted by Seedvalue
How much are you willing to pay to see the fight?
I would pay a lot to watch that fight. I used to respect mission until that fiasco over at WOV. He’s a tuff guy also I hear. Everyone who does business with cons are sus and not to be trusted in my book.
Alan is harmless but he is sticking to the 18 yos it looks like.
Also, I am not the Mission146 from WoV; it's not like I have a trademark on the name, or anything.
Anyway, this is the last that I am going to address events from half a decade ago, so I would be quite happy if you would content yourself with more orgies and less bringing me up for no reason.
1.) I don't know who you are, but even if I did, I almost certainly wouldn't care whether I have your respect or not. In fairness, there's probably no great reason that I should have anyone's respect, if you want to know the truth. You can respect my intellect without respecting me; Mission, the person, leaves a great deal to be desired.
2.) Supposing that everything ever said about WoN is true--why would I have known about any of that? You seem like an intelligent-enough person, but maybe I have a bad read on you. Either way, cons usually don't make a habit of explaining their nefarious dealings with other people to potential marks...might be something you weren't aware of.
3.) Of course, I did hear various murmurings about the guy, but they were all wanting for specifics. By, 'Specifics,' I mean anything other than base allegations. I wasn't involving anyone from the forums with him anyway and never vouched for him, so what difference does it make what I do in my personal dealings?
You'd have it that KewlJ is a male escort; am I supposed to take you at face value? Besides, I didn't risk anything in my dealings with WoN, time aside.
4.) Evidently, some people claim that he conned them into this thing or that thing and were separated from some major money accordingly. Everyone needs someone or something to blame, so I guess it might as well be me. If I were in the situation where I put massive amounts of my money into someone else's hands and got bilked in one way or another, then perhaps I would be a bit more introspective and wonder if I am at fault due to my own greed and naivety.
5.) I don't know what anyone might have said about me outside of the public view related to anything along these lines, but I assure you that I spend a huge majority of my time around the area where I live. If someone claims that I did or said anything, then my advice would be to just come ask me about it as I never vouched for WoN to anyone and, as far as I know, was never asked if I would do so. Perhaps anyone who had something untoward happen to them would do well to assume that everything that they are being told is a lie...which is mostly what I assume.
My approach to life is to look at the worst possible outcome of taking a certain action, assume said outcome is exactly what will happen and then move forward accordingly.
Absent specific questions (within the next 24 hours) which I may or may not answer with specificity, I am done with this. I'll be back at 14:15 EST tomorrow. Thank you, fuck you, bye. Have a wonderful weekend.
ADDED: Finally, with what I am presently doing, I work alone. I see no reason for that to ever change. I'll take 5% of the expected earn to be by myself than ever work with anyone again other than a one day thing, or what have you. That being the case, I have no want, much less need, for anyone to trust me. I'm also not particularly reliable, so I would advise people not to trust me.
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In the interest of saving time, here is the full nature of my off-forum dealings with WoN, as best as I can remember them:
1.) We exchanged phone numbers via PM, when he was posting as WoN and I often did some math-related work for him; I didn't ask for anything in return at that time.
2.) Around the time that Axel was in my area on a play, WoN was also in the area on a play; the only reason I remember that is because Axelwolf was around near or at the same time. I worked with Axel extensively on this particular play and did not work with WoN. WoN was to meet up with me for dinner, or something, but ended up leaving town early (as I remember) and left me some various gift cards at the front desk of the hotel where he had been staying as a thank you for the math work.
3.) WoN wanted to know if I would be interested in getting cards for him. The first time I got some cards (my own) for him, I was not aware that WoN and SAP were the same. I didn't come to know that until after I had already been working with him.
4.) Other people I would take to AC, or around AC, were not from the forum and I did not meet by way of the forum. I always explained what the cards were for and why he would want them. Obviously, I got a, "Finder's fee," for each person I would bring, but usually it was just some flat amount, per card, that I could allocate as I desired. Everyone I took made more money than I did. These would mostly be people in great need of several hundred dollars who had no other way to quickly come by several hundred dollars, so the money was more important to them than it was me anyway.
5.) At some point, this WoN=SAP came up in a conversation with two people other than WoN (but not Mike) and I said I should just ban him for duplicate accounts, but I was asked not to do that.
6.) I had lunch with both he and DarkOz and I don't know that I knew SAP=WoN at the time, but I don't think it would have changed anything if I had known that. My business with WoN in AC was unrelated to what he was doing with DarkOz.
7.) I got cards for WoN from something like ten casinos leading up to 2018-ish, and a few cards for him at places I would otherwise not visit since.
8.) Additional work was front free play at a few casinos where I was led to believe that he was essentially a whale vouching for another whale. I'm obviously not a whale, but did not care about that particular lie being told to casinos. What was actually being told to casinos was something slightly more scandalous than that in nature, so upon learning that, I said I would continue to get cards if he needed them but would not participate in any other front free play things. We also had one trip, in particular, that ended up being a total disaster through no real fault of WoN's.
Other additional work was that I ran play on a few cards in or around Atlantic City, but I have no idea whose cards they were or where they came from. Further, I picked up free play on a few cards (for a cut) in or around AC, but once again, I have no idea whose cards they were or where they came from; I had no reason to care as that is not my business.
9.) Finally, any allegations that I shared identifying information with him are 100% baseless and have no merit. Go sign up for a WoV account and you'll see. In theory, the most I would have is your E-Mail address assuming you don't use a spam catcher. In actuality, Admins can't even see E-Mail addresses.
Anyway, if you want cards from some casino I will otherwise never visit, then my PM box is open on WoV. I have no reason to be particular about who I get them for. My terms are travel expenses and half of my pay upfront (I will keep travel costs as economical as reasonably possible) and then I'll take you on your word for the back half of the pay. I'm accustomed to making nearly $1,000 per one day trip, so keep that in mind. Also, we will want to agree on terms for future visits (PIN resets, etc.) in advance to avoid later controversy; do keep in mind that future visits are the same amount of work and time for me as the first visit and that the cut into your EV is none of my concern.
If that makes me a piece of shit, so be it. I'm kind of a piece of shit anyway, but I will say that I didn't have anything to do with WoN's interactions with other members of the forum, AP's or even regular gamblers for that matter. Anyway, there's enough shit on my balance sheet that I don't feel the need to take blame for things that I actually didn't do, but if people want to blame me, I can't argue that I am a convenient target.
***AMENDED***
I just looked and the WoN account was created in July of 2015, so I might have something mistaken. I'm a little fuzzy on six years ago, but not as fuzzy as I will be in fifty years when you sanctimonious cunts are still bringing this up. Bunch of fucking Mother Teresas in the AP gambling world, I tell you what.
Anyway, he might have been posting as SAP when we exchanged numbers; I truly don't remember. Either way, he'd been posting as WoN for some time before I came to know that the two were the same, whether or not I was working with him.
The thing is that I can't remember if the play with Axel was 2015 or 2016. If I could remember that, then I would be able to tell you.
Word is hustlers are camping on the Ascensions.Originally Posted by tableplay
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Indeed. Aristocrat's answer to Hexbreaker . . .Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Welcome Back!Originally Posted by Mission146
Stick around for awhile.
Have a beer and watch a hockey game or two.
Might as well make a bet.
Mission seems to be, in the words of Jay, one morose motherfucker.
It's not easy abstaining from the alcohol.Originally Posted by mcap
If anyone knows Seedvalue, then please tell him he has about three hours before I potentially go several months without visiting this Forum again, though I can be found on WoV.
I'm honestly quite happy and content, Mcap, at least, when I'm not making the mistake of entertaining discourse with all but a select few people.
I'll say something, though I'm repeating myself: Being an Administrator on a Forum is like being the world's least important police officer. There's a set of rules, much like laws, that one has to maintain and the most important of those is that you can't dox other people. It really doesn't matter what the person has done, or allegedly done, as no proof was presented at any time that I could see. Even if proof had been presented, it doesn't change that you can't doxx people.
My biggest problem with the website is that it contained the name and picture of WoN's wife, but notably, no allegations that she had anything to do with anything. It doesn't seem that I can access the site now, so I don't even know if it still exists, but that was the major issue with it. People later recreated the entire text of the site, but omitted WoV's actual name, so I allowed those posts to stand as they were not doxxing. I think the wife's name and picture were also eventually removed, but I can't swear to it.
Anyway, there was no question that the post with the link to the site (literally WoN's full name was the name of the site) had to go. It's not even a borderline call and all of you sanctimonious cunts would want me to do the same for you if you were doxxed. Honestly, if it hadn't been for the picture of WoN's wife and her full name being on the site, then I would have just PM'ed Wizard and abstained from doing anything, but that aspect is what swung the balance to me needing to do something about it immediately.
Also, who drags a guy's wife into things of this nature? I think that speaks more to that person than me maintaining a very clear forum rule. It'd be a different matter if there was some evidence that she had anything to do with anything, but the website didn't even allege anything against her.
Finally, the rule is objective enough and clear enough that any conflict of interest would be irrelevant anyway. Also, I did Forum Administration on a volunteer basis, so it seems that holding me to any standard at all vis-a-vis conflict of interest is too high a standard--except if I were over-enforcing rules at a person's whim. Hell, I didn't even turn CasinoKiller red because that WOULD have been an actual conflict of interest as telling him not to recreate the thread until such time that Wizard approved was enough.
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Anyway, you guys get off on all of this Forum drama shit and I'm totally over it, hence my extended absences. I'm also over engaging in regular discourse with anyone, a select handful of people aside.
I try not to be a morose motherfucker, and I find the less time I spend associating with people, the less of a morose motherfucker I am.
Finally, I was PM'ed by someone about deleting the thread at the time. I obviously can't share who PM'ed me, but I can share my response:
I've edited this response to disguise who sent me the PM to a certain extent, though it's probably pretty obvious anyway. If anyone wants the dated screenshot, I can provide it, but will need to doctor a few things so as to not disclose who I was responding to.
Anyway, if you think I put it past any of you motherfuckers not to directly go after some guy's wife, if she can be found, then you really shouldn't give yourselves so much credit. I don't know what extent parties who feel like they are wronged will go to in order to exact revenge, so that's why the thread had to go immediately.
Awwww, I feel bad.Originally Posted by Mission146
Chin up Mission... Chin up!
Let me know when you buy PGA 2k23 and we can shoot a round or two.
I'm on the PC version but they are going to implement crossplay.
huh huh huh I said PC.
I haven't played a golf game since Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005, or something, but I might get that game one of these days so you can whip my ass at it. LOLOriginally Posted by monetAwwww, I feel bad.Originally Posted by Mission146
Chin up Mission... Chin up!
Let me know when you buy PGA 2k23 and we can shoot a round or two.
I'm on the PC version but they are going to implement crossplay.
huh huh huh I said PC.
Here are a few other facts I will share:
1.) I reviewed the thread yesterday and one thing that I think escaped my attention was that the CasinoKiller account basically said he didn't think I had much of anything to do with anything. A different account, OutsidetheBox, was created and levied a great many accusations against me, including several that literally could not possibly be true. That account repped these allegations as, "100% fact," and was called out on that.
As it turns out, it was discovered that the two were the same person, so both accounts were evidently banned accordingly. I will say that not only did I have no hand in that discovery, but I didn't even ask anyone to look into the matter. I was resigning (or had resigned) as an Admin anyway, so it was really none of my concern.
Either way, that gives you some idea as to the victim in this affair. The only thing that he was jacked at me about was deleting his thread, which would have been deleted eventually anyway, and which I would not have deleted but for mention of WoN's wife.
2.) As far as I am concerned, by one mechanism or another, it would seem that he took a risk that wasn't particularly well calculated and it bit him in the ass. I'd have certainly been willing to hear his version of events, and probably would have been sympathetic, but he never presented it publicly. If he presented it privately, then it certainly wasn't to me.
3.) My big concern for WoN's wife, or then wife (I don't know his martial status), is that the website had the right person---even though I obviously wasn't going to say so.
I also have very strong reason to believe that his wife played no active role, or even a passive role, in WoN's casino affairs. My belief is predicated only on the fact that she never had anything to do with the casino affairs between WoN and myself. I met her briefly, once, but it was not at the casino and was totally incidental---sweet girl, as far as I can tell. Certainly, the website made no allegations to that effect. For that reason, I felt that it was completely unfair to drag her into it---not to WoN, per se, but to WoN's wife or then wife. To this day, I have no idea of the exact nature of WoN and CasinoKiller's dealings, as it is none of my concern and I don't especially care or want to hear about it, but anyone who goes after a guy's wife who, by all appearances, had nothing to do with anything, is no angel.
4.) I also happen to know that WoN's wife, or then wife, is fairly well off. I don't know if that's by way of money that she came into on her own or if it's some sort of family money situation, but her financial standing put her at additional risk of being subject to revenge tactics. When I say, "Well off," I'm not necessarily saying she was rich, just that I know she wasn't exactly destitute, or anything.
With that, whatever the dude's motivation for dragging WoN's wife, or then wife, into the mix---revenge might not even have been the only factor. It is possible that he had an eye towards offering to take the site down, or at least to remove mention of her from it, for a price. When I say POSSIBLE, I mean that I am not even speculating on it as I truly have no idea. I simply mean that there could have been a motive over and above revenge for mentioning her on the site. Some other poster (on WoV) alluded to some Facebook stalking, or some such, but I have no idea if any of those allegations are true. I obviously wouldn't put that past a guy who is going to bring a dude's wife into it, in any way, in the first place.
I would hope that I am not the only one in our so-called shit, 'Community,' that believes you don't go after women, or bring them into things, unless you directly know they are complicit in something and are willing to present the goods to prove such complicity...but I wouldn't be shocked if I am the only one who feels that way. I will say that some people who will not be named certainly didn't seem to have any great problem with his wife being brought into it. A few even alluded to same in one of the threads.
IMO, it doesn't matter who a person is or what he has done, you don't bring someone's wife (or any other woman) into it unless they were complicit.
Last edited by Mission146; 10-16-2022 at 09:53 AM.
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