The Alan thread.

[kewlJ]

You made it all up...that he jumped up at 3am and ran to the casino, and that he took intentionally blurry pictures.

And it continues.

For years I have requested that Dan Druff (and Shackleford) clean up their forums and cease allowing the spread of misinformation, including claims that just can't be because it defies the math and cease allowing the lying about players playing and winning by the math and legitimate advantage play techniques. With the exception of Blackhole, Druff has refused to do so in the name of free speech.

Well now GOD is cleaning up what Dan Druff refused to. Moses. Alan. Next up Singer, Mdawg coach belly. In what order, I will leave to the good lord's judgement.

[kewlJ]

I'm not lying about Singer's reason for leaving, read it for yourself on GF, and then apologize for lying.

Read it for myself from Singer? The guy who drove to an RV dealership, and posted pictures of himself in an RV at the dealership claiming it was his? That guy? I am supposed to take his version over what we all witnessed play out here? You are a fucktard....plain and simple.

[coach belly]

I am supposed to take his version.

Regardless of what you are supposed to take, Singer posted his reasons for leaving.

[coach belly]

For years I have requested that Dan Druff (and Shackleford) clean up their forums and cease allowing the spread of misinformation

You are admittedly and proven to be the forums' biggest liar.

That means you spread the most misinformation.

Cease and desist...karma and your lord's judgement will prevail anyway.

It already has...your reputation is shit.

[redietz]

The one thing I never understood about the 18 yo's story -- I took Alan at his word that he saw SOMETHING highly unusual, whether it was 12 or 13 or 14 yo's or 13 out of 14 or something -- I accepted that he saw something statistically impossible...with honest dice. So my response to him was that he obviously had witnessed rigged dice inserted accidentally or purposefully into the game. That was the Ockham's Razor explanation to me, and I was surprised that basically nobody else felt that way. People either thought Alan was blatantly lying, which I thought was unlikely, or that his memory was shot. I just took it as rigged dice. There are rigged drawings in LV, rigged promo wheels, there's been rigged video poker, obviously rigged dice are here and there.

He said that the stickman checked the dice to make sure they were okay...well, if I accidentally inserted rigged dice into a game, I'd make damn sure I tried to cover my butt.

Anyway, one of the lesser mysteries of the universe.

We've had a full generation now exposed to casinos in the majority of states, and we've had literally millions of people losing significant chunks of their income to casinos for decades. There are going to be more and more anti-AP posts and attitudes and rants going forward. It's a consumer society and shekels matter, so when people are confronted with their personal histories of losing for decades, they are going to claim nobody can win. What else would you expect?

[jbjb]

No lie can EVER top the 18 yos in a row lie.

[AxelWolf]

The one thing I never understood about the 18 yo's story -- I took Alan at his word that he saw SOMETHING highly unusual, whether it was 12 or 13 or 14 yo's or 13 out of 14 or something -- I accepted that he saw something statistically impossible...with honest dice. So my response to him was that he obviously had witnessed rigged dice inserted accidentally or purposefully into the game. That was the Ockham's Razor explanation to me, and I was surprised that basically nobody else felt that way. People either thought Alan was blatantly lying, which I thought was unlikely, or that his memory was shot. I just took it as rigged dice. There are rigged drawings in LV, rigged promo wheels, there's been rigged video poker, obviously rigged dice are here and there.

He said that the stickman checked the dice to make sure they were okay...well, if I accidentally inserted rigged dice into a game, I'd make damn sure I tried to cover my butt.

Anyway, one of the lesser mysteries of the universe.

We've had a full generation now exposed to casinos in the majority of states, and we've had literally millions of people losing significant chunks of their income to casinos for decades. There are going to be more and more anti-AP posts and attitudes and rants going forward. It's a consumer society and shekels matter, so when people are confronted with their personal histories of losing for decades, they are going to claim nobody can win. What else would you expect?

You really need to go back to Alan's first post(s) when he made one of his extraordinary gambling claims. You'll put together exactly what's going on. Hint: He's always trying to prove a point backed up by some extremely rare event. Watch how it all develops from there.

[kewlJ]

]You really need to go back to Alan's first post(s) when he made one of his extraordinary gambling claims. You'll put together exactly what's going on. Hint: He's always trying to prove a point backed up by some extremely rare event. Watch how it all develops from there.

Dice Influence is another one. I knew there was a big one I left off my earlier list. How many freaking threads on multiple forums did Alan start on DI?

The general consensus is that Alan was harmless. Alan engaged in repeated gambling mis-information. If he was "harmless" it is only because he wasn't as good as some of these others that traffic in the same type of mis-information and misleading claims.

[mickeycrimm]

Why...the nerve of Alan! Acting like 99% of gamblers! No clue! He should be tarred and feathered and ran out of town! Oh thats right. He's passed so we can't do that. Well, maybe we can get the Westboro Baptist Church congregation to show up at his funeral. That'll teach him!

As my poor ol' daddy told me "when you argue with a fool in public some people might not be able to discern which one the fool is."

Arguing with Alan was fun. Was he cockamamie on the subject? Yes. Do I care? No.

Let it go, KJ.

RIP, Alan.

[Ozzy]

Alan was the forum punching bag for several years. I knew something was off with him, after his skin got a lot thinner the last year or two. He will be missed on the forum.

[PositiveVariance]

RIP Alan

Now that Alan is gone, I think there is a near zero percent chance Singer returns as Alan was really his only supporter.

[Dan Druff]

I don't know why this is difficult to understand, kewlJ.

Alan started this forum. None of us would be here if it wasn't for him. He handed it off to me a number of years ago, when the stress of running it became more than he wanted to handle. However, that doesn't mean he deserves people bashing him in what was essentially an obituary thread.

If Alan were a scammer or someone who hurt people, then I would have left up the negative posts. However, he wasn't. At worst, he was a guy who gambled too much and didn't believe in APs. I never agreed with those views, and let him know it publicly. However, this is an open forum, and people are allowed to state their opinions, even if those opinions are incorrect. Those opinions didn't make him a bad guy, and even a lot of the people who trolled him quietly acknowledged he was harmless and wasn't hurting anyone.

I felt that he was deserving of respect in that obituary thread. I mean, the guy just died at the fairly young age of 70. From his active working through the end of October, it looks like his downturn in health was very sudden, and his passing occurred about 2 weeks after that. I think people can survive not trolling the guy on the obituary thread on the forum he originally created.

[Dan Druff]

Why...the nerve of Alan! Acting like 99% of gamblers! No clue! He should be tarred and feathered and ran out of town! Oh thats right. He's passed so we can't do that. Well, maybe we can get the Westboro Baptist Church congregation to show up at his funeral. That'll teach him!

As my poor ol' daddy told me "when you argue with a fool in public some people might not be able to discern which one the fool is."

Arguing with Alan was fun. Was he cockamamie on the subject? Yes. Do I care? No.

Let it go, KJ.

RIP, Alan.

Great take.

[AxelWolf]

RIP Alan

Now that Alan is gone, I think there is a near zero percent chance Singer returns as Alan was really his only supporter.

The enemy of my enemies is my friend.

[AxelWolf]

I don't know why this is difficult to understand, kewlJ.

Alan started this forum. None of us would be here if it wasn't for him. He handed it off to me a number of years ago, when the stress of running it became more than he wanted to handle. However, that doesn't mean he deserves people bashing him in what was essentially an obituary thread.

If Alan were a scammer or someone who hurt people, then I would have left up the negative posts. However, he wasn't. At worst, he was a guy who gambled too much and didn't believe in APs. I never agreed with those views, and let him know it publicly. However, this is an open forum, and people are allowed to state their opinions, even if those opinions are incorrect. Those opinions didn't make him a bad guy, and even a lot of the people who trolled him quietly acknowledged he was harmless and wasn't hurting anyone.

I felt that he was deserving of respect in that obituary thread. I mean, the guy just died at the fairly young age of 70. From his active working through the end of October, it looks like his downturn in health was very sudden, and his passing occurred about 2 weeks after that. I think people can survive not trolling the guy on the obituary thread on the forum he originally created.

+100

[jpfromla]

I don't know why this is difficult to understand, kewlJ.

Alan started this forum. None of us would be here if it wasn't for him. He handed it off to me a number of years ago, when the stress of running it became more than he wanted to handle. However, that doesn't mean he deserves people bashing him in what was essentially an obituary thread.

If Alan were a scammer or someone who hurt people, then I would have left up the negative posts. However, he wasn't. At worst, he was a guy who gambled too much and didn't believe in APs. I never agreed with those views, and let him know it publicly. However, this is an open forum, and people are allowed to state their opinions, even if those opinions are incorrect. Those opinions didn't make him a bad guy, and even a lot of the people who trolled him quietly acknowledged he was harmless and wasn't hurting anyone.

I felt that he was deserving of respect in that obituary thread. I mean, the guy just died at the fairly young age of 70. From his active working through the end of October, it looks like his downturn in health was very sudden, and his passing occurred about 2 weeks after that. I think people can survive not trolling the guy on the obituary thread on the forum he originally created.

+100

Axel,

Is that the moneyline that KJ will try to have the last word?

[Treeshade]

Didn’t know Alan but I did make an offer to meet him, and let him verify everything about me. I only asked that he retract the 18 yos in a row. He declined. A very colorful character indeed, RIP. Life’s very short and before you know it’s over. Time goes by so fast. Faster it seems for people who spend years in casinos. Live and love

[Treeshade]

]You really need to go back to Alan's first post(s) when he made one of his extraordinary gambling claims. You'll put together exactly what's going on. Hint: He's always trying to prove a point backed up by some extremely rare event. Watch how it all develops from there.

Dice Influence is another one. I knew there was a big one I left off my earlier list. How many freaking threads on multiple forums did Alan start on DI?

The general consensus is that Alan was harmless. Alan engaged in repeated gambling mis-information. If he was "harmless" it is only because he wasn't as good as some of these others that traffic in the same type of mis-information and misleading claims.

Kew People may mess with you for the Lolz, but deep down you are a terrible human. It shows through time and time again.

[AxelWolf]

I don't know why this is difficult to understand, kewlJ.

Alan started this forum. None of us would be here if it wasn't for him. He handed it off to me a number of years ago, when the stress of running it became more than he wanted to handle. However, that doesn't mean he deserves people bashing him in what was essentially an obituary thread.

If Alan were a scammer or someone who hurt people, then I would have left up the negative posts. However, he wasn't. At worst, he was a guy who gambled too much and didn't believe in APs. I never agreed with those views, and let him know it publicly. However, this is an open forum, and people are allowed to state their opinions, even if those opinions are incorrect. Those opinions didn't make him a bad guy, and even a lot of the people who trolled him quietly acknowledged he was harmless and wasn't hurting anyone.

I felt that he was deserving of respect in that obituary thread. I mean, the guy just died at the fairly young age of 70. From his active working through the end of October, it looks like his downturn in health was very sudden, and his passing occurred about 2 weeks after that. I think people can survive not trolling the guy on the obituary thread on the forum he originally created.

+100

Axel,

Is that the moneyline that KJ will try to have the last word?

I don't know, I plead the Sweeded. I wasn't +100 because it was directed at KJ. I liked it because it was a good post that made sense for all. I can't throw stones, I have too many windows.

[kewlJ]

Kew People may mess with you for the Lolz, but deep down you are a terrible human. It shows through time and time again.

Seedvalue, I make a living based on the math, just as you and many other AP's do. I believe that this forum run by a professional poker player who is all about the math and WoV, run by a guy who is supposed to be a gambling math expert and these two forums populated by players that are AP's at different levels, should be different than youtube and the other sites that have all those people outright scamming and promoting BS and gambling voodoo that defy the math. The truth and the math has to matter at some point and at some place.

If that makes me a terrible person, so be it.