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Thread: Rob Singer quit this forum after his fake "Vegas trip" debacle, which we busted as being phony -- but why?

  1. #121
    Holy bejesus! Dan's first post on the matter back on June 16, he ended with "I won't be available to talk or text prior to 7pm today. However, feel free to text me at the above number, and I will get back to you around 7, if you're serious about this".

    So what did Singer do? He texted Dan after 1pm and said he needed Dan to confirm by 5pm.

    Let me say that again. During the window that Dan Druff clearly stated he would not be available, Rob texted Dan and needed an answer by 5 pm. BOTH TIMES within the window that Dan Druff specified he would not be available.

    I mean this is shades of Singer showing up for an agreed upon noon meeting at....wait for it...10:15 am and leaving by 10:30 claiming no one was there

    Do you see the pattern with this guy? He always changes the terms of a scheduled meet-up, to something that he knows can't be met. In this case he texted Dan DURING the window that Dan clearly stated he was unavailable, and changed the term (to you must contact me before 5pm)

    Whether or not Singer sent a copy to mickey or anyone else is totally irrelevant. The text was during the time that Dan Druff clearly stated he was unavailable.

    And this is the shit some of you guys think is funny?

    I'll link to the actual discussion again, for anyone that wants to read, starting with Dan Druff's post #1866

    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...trength/page94
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-06-2022 at 12:57 AM.

  2. #122
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I'll post one time on this since it's not proper for MrV to be a middle man.

    PV, you probably already know this but go back and read Druff's opening post in his thread. In it he says HE proposed a meeting with ME that kicked things off. Yet if you go back to my jackpot thread you'd see clearly it was ME who proposed it to HIM.

    Then there's the part where he claims there was a VPN or something and that I was "busted" for not really being in LV. Another outright lie. I texted him and copied mickey (so he'd know he hadn't been supportive of a liar) a copy of my room TV inside GVR that showed the date, time, and Welcome Robert Argentino.

    Further, whatever he told you people was't complete. He kept out my text to him shortly after 1pm where I said because I was with my family I needed to get a confirmation from him by 5pm, or else I'd be going out with them at night instead. At 7 he texted me that he fell asleep, obviously in the middle of us trying to get everything nailed down.

    I suspect he was in shock that I really was in town and trying to get this done. I'm the one who proposed it, after all. So he panicked, and did the only thing he could do--ignore me and then contact me when he knew I was unable to go. At this point, he could pound his chest right here.

    So after his chickenshit excuse and his starting this thread full of butt-covering lies, you come along, make a similar proposal only with wizard as the verifier, and you're too afraid to go over to GF to discuss it with me. That smacks of you hoping I won't respond. It didn't work.

    As for your stupid condition of putting up a no-show fee?....you used the rationale of me not showing up for max (I absolutely did, only I did leave early because I verified his bullshit story about the jackpot being hit at Caesars (it wasn't) instead of my hitting it, and I had my answer). I even provided the names of the managers etc. that I talked to there. I didn't need to make the trip, but I needed to show everyone what a jealous liar max was. I've also proven that I was at GVR when I offered to settle the doubt once and for all with Dan, as soon as I read he was still in town.

    So no, there won't be any need for no-show money. If you don't show then I don't need your money.

    If you had read my post about this on GF you'd have seen where I said for purposes of keeping this meet on equal footing, that you text me a redacted copy of your DL so we know each other's real names. You have mine and I'll have yours. Reasonable and fair, right?

    This was a one time post. If you'd like to finish this off you'll need to address it on GF.

    I'm glad everyone still here sees kew as the asshole liar he's always been.
    Welcome Back Rob!
    I didn't read much of this because I'm not involved and will never be involved in this never-ending saga.
    I just wanted to say that everyone missed your posts.
    QueerJ, Redietz, Mr. V and Dan Druff missed you more but welcome back, nonetheless.
    Your posts really do keep QueerJ up at nights as he writes never ending paragraphs about you that most of us do not read.
    Nice to see that you have a new stalker in PositiveVariance.
    How did you spend the 1.5 Million Dollars by the way??

  3. #123
    PV, I know you mean well with this challenge/wager, but it simply will not happen.

    Rob won't put any money in escrow. He never does. Are you aware that 2 days before the MaxPen meetup at South Point, Right here on this forum, Rob claimed that he sent money in escrow to Attorney Bob Nersesian's office, which he never did!

    And Rob won't show up at an agreed upon time, with agreed upon terms. He will try to change the terms or meeting time until the other party can't agree and then Rob will claim the other party chickened out. We have seen this re-run a dozen times.

    At this point if Rob can get somebody to put themselves out, wasting time and money for a challenge wager that he has no intention of showing up for, he thinks that is funny. If you are going to travel somewhere to meet this guy, don't waste your time.

  4. #124
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    QueerJ, Redietz, Mr. V and Dan Druff missed you more but welcome back, nonetheless.
    Your posts really do keep QueerJ up at nights as he writes never ending paragraphs about you that most of us do not read.
    Shut the FUCK up you fat disgusting homophobic, bigoted PIG. What a fucking low-life you are!

  5. #125
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    PV, I know you mean well with this challenge/wager, but it simply will not happen.

    Rob won't put any money in escrow. He never does. Are you aware that 2 days before the MaxPen meetup at South Point, Right here on this forum, Rob claimed that he sent money in escrow to Attorney Bob Nersesian's office, which he never did!

    And Rob won't show up at an agreed upon time, with agreed upon terms. He will try to change the terms or meeting time until the other party can't agree and then Rob will claim the other party chickened out. We have seen this re-run a dozen times.

    At this point if Rob can get somebody to put themselves out, wasting time and money for a challenge wager that he has no intention of showing up for, he thinks that is funny. If you are going to travel somewhere to meet this guy, don't waste your time.
    I figure by putting up a deposit (show up money) in escrow it will cut out a lot of the bullshit. A deposit shows the intent of both parties. A time and date can be set once the deposits are sent, since this seems to be the biggest hurtle to Singer meet ups. Once it’s shown both parties are serious then things can move forward. With all the things that have previously happened with Singer meet ups, it’s just better to do it this way. As everyone knows, talk is cheap. Yes KJ, you are absolutely 100% correct he will not put up any type of escrow, I am fully aware of this. I wanted to at least provide him an opportunity. Yes, I was aware of the Bob Nersesian fake money escrow lol.



    So it’s fairly simple. Deposit and we move forward. No deposit and Singer can go back to Gambling Forums and his 68% amazing ATS NFL picks!
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-06-2022 at 01:53 AM.

  6. #126
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    W2Gs are evidence that someone has taken tax responsibility for having done something. They are not evidence that the person actually did the something.
    I'm not sure I understand.

    A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?

    Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
    MrV, you need to get out into the real world on occasion. Seriously.

  7. #127
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    W2Gs are evidence that someone has taken tax responsibility for having done something. They are not evidence that the person actually did the something.
    I'm not sure I understand.

    A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?

    Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
    In Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.

    What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.

    What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.

    This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.

    Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.

  8. #128
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient.
    Well a W-2 certainly wouldn't be sufficient. This is a guy (Singer), that printed out a blank bill of sales for an RV from a template on the internet and signed all 3 signatures (buyers and sellers) in the same handwriting. So a W-2 is sufficient? THIS is where past behavior comes into play and what credibility is, mickey. And you are throwing yours away by continuing to support this BS.

    Axelwolf posted at WoV a while back that several years ago, he had in his possession a pad of W-2 from a casino. So he could have produced 100 W-2's with any amounts he wanted and they would look real, because the W-2 was real, just the info bogus. So NO, Rob producing a W-2 wouldn't mean much to me.

    Now Dan Druff, had a way to verify, or disprove Rob's claim. It didn't involve W-2's, which might or might not be real, or a hand picked person to vouch for anything. But of course Rob couldn't let that happen. End of story. This is just another Singer Rabbit hole.

    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    I finished the thread.

    Yes, I saw what PositiveVariance discovered (good job), and I have some comments about that, as well as Rob's "Vegas strip" visit.

    First off, I doubt Rob was ever in Vegas. As I mentioned before, he was using a VPN service showing a Vegas location, but that's meaningless. Someone on another continent could show up here as being from "Las Vegas" with the same trick. Fortunately I can tell the difference between VPNs and legit local IPs. While Rob might claim he was using a VPN while also in Vegas, that wouldn't make any sense. He was using a service called "IP Vanish" (or one of its subsidiary services), and no local Vegas internet connections would subscribe to such a thing. In fact, I am familiar with the IPs of the Wifi for most Vegas hotels, and Rob's IP was none of those. Instead, it was that VPN service meant to change his apparent location. Nice try, though.

    I think PositiveVariance figured out the screen shot pretty well. Indeed, this was run on a Windows computer. The cursor, the blue upper bar, and the minimize "dash" at the top right gave that all away. The "editing" excuse is garbage. If he needed to edit the screen shot in order to get it down to a size this site would accept for posting, then it wouldn't make a sense to take a picture of the edited photo, as that would induce the same problem all over again (it would again be too big!)

    As I mentioned before, and has been pointed out by many others, the stack of bills were fake. Rob is being reckless by posting that he has $700k sitting in his home. This is a public forum, and certain unsavory characters read this place. He is putting himself and his family in danger by making such claims, as some might take it seriously and believe that there's $700k in cash to steal from his house. Many people would kill for that type of money. Pretty dumb, Rob. Your wife would be pissed if she knew. For the record, there's zero chance Rob has $700k sitting in his house, so anyone considering going down and committing a crime for it shouldn't bother. You should be thanking people for pointing out this being a lie, Rob.

    In summary:

    - Rob did not play $25/credit UX
    - Rob did not hit a $1.5m jackpot
    - Rob did not tip $20k
    - Rob did not come to Vegas two weeks ago to meet with Max, Alan, or anyone
    - Rob does not have $700k in his safe
    - Rob does not even have tens of thousands in his safe -- the cash was fake


    Thank you for playing.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 12-06-2022 at 11:35 AM.

  9. #129
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    MrV, you need to get out into the real world on occasion.
    No doubt, but back to the point: a genuine W2-G will give the name and location of the casino, the date and time won, type of wager, the number of the VP machine and the cashier ID number.

    The pic he posted purports to show a $1.5M hit on a $25 triple bonus machine.

    One might think it would be easy, once the W2-G is viewed, to go to the casino ID'd in the W2-G and inquire about the matter.

    Ask cashiers, slot attendants, pit bosses: I doubt the code of Omerta would preclude them from acknowledging such a hit, as casinos generally like to publicize it when big jackpots occur.
    What, Me Worry?

  10. #130
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    MrV, you need to get out into the real world on occasion.
    No doubt, but back to the point: a genuine W2-G will give the name and location of the casino, the date and time won, type of wager, the number of the VP machine and the cashier ID number.

    The pic he posted purports to show a $1.5M hit on a $25 triple bonus machine.

    One might think it would be easy, once the W2-G is viewed, to go to the casino ID'd in the W2-G and inquire about the matter.

    Ask cashiers, slot attendants, pit bosses: I doubt the code of Omerta would preclude them from acknowledging such a hit, as casinos generally like to publicize it when big jackpots occur.
    MrV, Rob, the great troll that he thinks he is, thought he set this up very carefully to protect himself. One of the things he stated was that there was no such machine at the Denomination he wanted to play, so they brought in a machine especially for him....and apparently set it up in someone's basement next to stored away exercise equipment. The point of stating that was to convey that there is no machine that anyone can look at or look for.

    Rob always thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else when he plans and executes these fake claims, but he never is!

    Dan is right that Rob was reckless. He is getting worse and worse at this shit. When Rob announced three weeks prior to this hit that he was going to hit this, I knew he was already sitting on a jackpot picture that he thought he could pull off. I thought he would at least wait a couple months before making the claim, but he just couldn't contain himself. It probably was torture for him to wait 3 weeks.

    What Rob did, is called escalating. These narcissist that need and crave attention like Rob and Mdawg, can't get the same attention from their claims so they have to go bigger, grander to generate that same attention. It is the same concept as a drug addict. They need more and more to get that same high. I have been pointing this escalation out about Mdog for over a year. It is one of the ways you can really spot these fuckers!

  11. #131
    Points well taken.

    IF Rob were to produce a W2-G it has a space to identify the winning machine; ("6 Race" is the name of the square to put the info in).

    Be interesting to see how the casino ID'd a machine brought in "especially for him."

    Of course Rob cannot and will not produce a W2-G.
    What, Me Worry?

  12. #132
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post


    Mickey is using a narrow American legal definition of "fraud." A key part of fraud is gain, period. That gain can be non-material as well as material. Non-material resources tend to be overlooked in the hardcore capitalist countries. For the majority of human existence and across all cultures, non-material resources have been extremely important. Things such as prestige, reputation, placement in hierarchies of expertise that result in access to leadership positions, ability to influence others, all of these result from non-material resources. Rob was using fraud to gain all of these. If I claimed to win 80% of my games ATS, but didn't get any direct financial benefits, I'd be doing the same. Pretty clear cut.

    I'm sure if you had examples of me formally debunking video poker, you'd include them here. But you didn't. Regarding video poker, you haven't seen posts from me regarding specifics of anything. That is formal debunking. What I bring up are the contextual questions regarding Rob's video poker claims, questions that any journalist or police investigator would immediately ask. For example, in Rob's initial narrative regarding the double up bug on Alan's site, there were no time/place details. No details of when and where or how often. No specifics. Those are enormous red flags. Is that debunking? No, it's pointing out the obvious problems that anyone who has read a basic police interrogator book or taken Journalism 101 would immediately point out. It was remindful of when Rob claimed he was accosted by someone while having dinner. He didn't report on the person's age or details of the person's appearance, what the person was wearing, and so on. Very strange post from a journalistic perspective, and Rob is a public writer with lots of experience. What I did in these instances was not formal debunking. I was pointing out the obvious.

    Formal debunking has to do with the specifics, including the math and history of something, and I know the math and history of sports betting. When I was a member of the SSDPE (Society for the Scientific Documentation of Paranormal Experiments), I was considered a lead scout -- read the claims, eyeball the situation, conduct a first interview. I was not the guy doing any formal debunking, which required both an expert in laboratory protocol and the math of the experiments.

    Now Dan, as an investigator of poker fraud, is much better positioned to formally debunk Rob. I suggest you and Rob get together and ask Dan to place him on a Poker Fraud Alert show or two to field adversarial questions. That would be true formal debunking. Specific questions, interviews, public consequences if questions go unanswered.

    Mickey, you're all about truth. LOL. Why don't you suggest Rob go on Poker Fraud Alert? See, it even has the word "fraud" in the title.
    Damn, you're dense. Rob already said for you to set up the interview on PFA radio. You don't need my okay on any of it. Go for it, ditz, instead of running your mouth. And why do you keep trying to get me to do your bidding for you. I have a life. STFU.

    LMAO at you wanting me to put up proof of your trying to debunk Rob's VP claims. You are trying to debunk it in practically every post. And it's video poker claims you are trying to debunk. You're trying to get Rob on PFA radio is just another attempt at debunking Rob's video poker claims. Your telling me to put up proof that you are doing it is either diabolical or you are a complete idiot. Either way, my evidence is your posts. All one has to do is read your posts to see that you have been trying to debunk all of Rob's claims as to video poker.

    So all one has to do is go through your archived posts to see that you are trying to debunk video poker claims. One doesn't need a specific post to go to. Practically all of your posts are about trying to debunk Rob's video poker claims.

    But I do agree with you and KJ on one thing, getting rid of the trolls. Druff needs to ban both you and KJ for your constant trolling of Rob Singer who doesn't even post here anymore. KJ is king troll and you are right behind him.

    Rob can set it up himself. He's not banned here. He's not paying me a salary, last I checked.

    Mickey "The Truth" Crimm. What a joke.
    LOL! You propose that Rob be interviewed on PFA but expect someone else should set it up. Please, get a fucking clue. You want that interview? Then set it up. Rob is right about you idiots. You never follow thru on anything.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 12-06-2022 at 03:48 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #133
    I’m sure most of you probably know this, but some may not. Some of the lurkers may not as well.

    A W2 form is not created/verified by the IRS or any other Government agency in any way when the form is being created/printed. Some may be under the impression that the business/casino has an account with the IRS and that the information is documented and the W2 is created. This is NOT how it works. The employer/casino simply inputs the information in the appropriate boxes on the W2, the software to create the W2, usually provided by a 3rd party.

    Most small employers use a third party service online that provides a “templet”. The information is imputed for the employer and the system creates the document. The IRS is NOT involved in any of this! They verify nothing! The W2 is then printed by the employer. This is often printed on “W2” paper which can be bought by anyone. No verification of any kind needed. Casino W2G’s are often time printed on generic white printer paper, nothing special.

    This is the important part, the W2 or W2G IS NOT valid until it is sent to the appropriate Government agencies. Anyone can go online and make a W2 with whatever information they want on it! Some are free, most employers pay a few dollars for each form created. This is why you don’t see many companies advertising “Fake W2’s” (yes there are a few) because there isn’t a difference between a real and a fake other than the purpose it was created for and the intent of the W2 creator. The only difference is if it was submitted to the Government.


    The deadline for a W2 to be sent to the government is January 31st, of the following year. However, it is my guess that casinos send them in far before the deadline.



    An Example:
    Someone wants to open a business, they go to the city to get the form to apply for a business license (yes, I know this is usually done online). They fill it out. They submit it to the city. The form only means something once it is submitted.

    The W2 is basically the same type of document. Prior to being submitted to the appropriate agency it is worthless.
    No one oversees the creation of these documents.

    Within 5 minutes anyone here can create a W2 form online with a legitimate design/printing company. Nothing is filed with the IRS or Government on their end. Many of them don’t store the info on their end either.

    Prior to the internet, businesses usually had their W2’s created by an accountant.

    Another example are companies that print checks for businesses - there is no value until it’s presented to a business for payment or presented to the bank that it is drawn on for payment.

    Manufacturing Police badges? You get the point...



    If Singer presenter a W2G, that would have to be compared to a real W2G issued by the casino to see if it matches up. Obviously the best way would be to get a duplicate W2G right there in front of you at the casino. Or better yet there is a form you can file with the IRS to see what W2’s are in a persons name. Win/loss statement? The list goes on. 0.0% chance Rob Singer fools me! BA-BOOOOM!
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-06-2022 at 04:02 PM.

  14. #134
    [QUOTE=kewlJ;151624]I have a request of Mickeycrimm. In the past few months over at GF, I have seen mickey doubled down in support of Rob regarding things I know mickey doesn't believe. So in the last few weeks,[B][I] Rob has stated at least a dozen times that Dan Druff, chickened out of their meet up and or was "afraid" to meet with Rob at GVR last June....Strangely mickey has stayed silent on Rob's revisionist version of events on June 16. So I am asking mickey right here on Dan's forum to either say he supports Rob's statementsSo again, mickey, I am requesting you go on record, right here on Dan Druff's forum either supporting Rob's claim that Druff chickened out or acknowledge that Rob lied and revised the who account, just as he has done so many times before. Awaiting your response, Mickeycrimm. [QUOTE]

    I like it that you hate me.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  15. #135
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I like it that you hate me.
    Then you must be very disappointed because I don't hate you. I do hate that you have embraced the trolling games, but I don't hate you....try as you might.

  16. #136
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post

    I'm not sure I understand.

    A W2-G will list the date, the casino, the game number, the amount...what other proof is needed, IF the document is genuine?

    Are you thinking maybe his wife won instead of him?
    In Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.

    What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.

    What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.

    This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.

    Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.
    Once again Bob Dietz the scamdicapper shows his stupidity. He tries to cover up his lack of knowledge with insults about what others "don't know." Do you notice when he makes these offensive remarks he never says anything about "this is how it really works." He thinks just insulting someone with "I know how it works and you don't" will cover for his lack of knowledge. Why does he never give his take on how it works? I'll tell you why. He doesn't want to expose his ignorance.

    It was well known that those that ran slot teams paid signers. I knew guys that signed. It was usually someone on the team. When the royal hit they just switched seats. 10% was the usual price.

    The more you read him the more ditz appears to be a fraud. He acts just like a scamdicapper "Well I'm 27-10 in this contest" always after the fact. Nothing up front about entering the contest. He easily hides the contests he flunked out of.

    And he works all the freerolls. Have you ever noticed that any type of freeroll the casinos put up it attracts all the bums in town. Cal Neva/Reno used to have Free Bingo every morning at 8 AM. Leading up to 8 AM you saw every bum in town headed to the Cal Neva. We called it Bum Bingo. Same thing with these bumdicappers freerolls.

    Redietz plays the Bumdicappers contests.

    MLB is the real sportsbettors season. Redietz doesn't cover MLB. He slinks around in bush league college football for a few weeks a year. He's a pig farmer is Johnson Shitty, Tennessee.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 12-06-2022 at 04:36 PM.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  17. #137
    [QUOTE=mickeycrimm;151687][QUOTE=redietz;151658]
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    In Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profileIt was well known that those that ran slot teams paid signers. I knew guys that signed. It was usually someone on the team. When the royal hit they just switched seats. 10% was the usual price.
    I happen to know a couple hard core gambling degenerates. Both of these guys collect SDI due to being “disabled”.

    On multiple occasions, they were contacted by the Social Security Administration about their W2G wins. They were told they shouldn’t be gambling if they are being paid by the government. Now, I’m not exactly sure if SS can restrict you from gambling if you are collecting SDI. But what they can do is garnish your wages for any wins above your monthly amount you receive from SSI.

    Both of these guys earn money from other sources, this is how they can afford to degen it hardcore style.

    They both collected numerous W2G’s and had a percentage of their wages garnished by SSA to collect the amount that was won.

    So be careful if you are on permanent disability and may be at risk for a W2G!

    Now these 2 guys always make sure they have someone around. They usually gamble together. They pay a friend $80 ($40 each) to drive both of these buffoons 1.5 to 2 hours to the Indian Casino. The guy that drives them is available to take their place on a W2G win. They do 20% of the win. Anything over $3k they do 10%.

    Both of these guys usually take $1k to $1.5k in cash to the casino. They will play until all money is gone. So usually every other time that they go up there, 1 of the 2 guys will hit a W2G. About 5k lost every 2 trips. It is also not common for these guys to get W2G’s and give all that back as well!

    The driver that gets the $80 will play that at a near by machine. If any W2G is hit by his friends, he will Degen his 20% away.

    How did I meet these characters? One day the driver left one of these guys up there, after more than 24 hours of straight degening it up. I was Chatting with him at the bar, got to know the situation and ended up giving him a ride back to his house, as we lived in the same city. I Kept seeing him up there after that. Since then we became friendly/social. To much +EV in my life is not good!! I need some -EV Characters in my life to keep everything balanced out!
    Last edited by PositiveVariance; 12-06-2022 at 05:09 PM.

  18. #138
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    In Nevada there were always guys around that would sign for W2-G jackpots for 10% of the money. These guys didn't own anything and hadn't filed taxes in years nor intended to ever file in the future. They literally didn't give a rats ass. Rob doesn't fit that profile.

    What ditz is telling you is that no amount of evidence is sufficient. He's a troll.

    What I'm telling you is that mickey crimm doesn't swim in deep enough waters to have any sense of the ubiquity of the practice. His alleged profile of the substitute signers for the bigger amounts is wronger than wrong.

    This is what happens when mickey spouts stuff he knows almost nothing about, whcih is actually quite a bit once you get into bigger figures. He demonstrates his general lack of knowledge. Mickey has what amounts to a sliding scale. The bigger the stakes, the less he tends to know or have experience with.

    Some people call that willful ignorance, but not me. He is, after all, Mickey "The Truth" Crimm.
    Once again Bob Dietz the scamdicapper shows his stupidity. He tries to cover up his lack of knowledge with insults about what others "don't know." Do you notice when he makes these offensive remarks he never says anything about "this is how it really works." He thinks just insulting someone with "I know how it works and you don't" will cover for his lack of knowledge. Why does he never give his take on how it works? I'll tell you why. He doesn't want to expose his ignorance.

    It was well known that those that ran slot teams paid signers. I knew guys that signed. It was usually someone on the team. When the royal hit they just switched seats. 10% was the usual price.

    The more you read him the more ditz appears to be a fraud. He acts just like a scamdicapper "Well I'm 27-10 in this contest" always after the fact. Nothing up front about entering the contest. He easily hides the contests he flunked out of.

    And he works all the freerolls. Have you ever noticed that any type of freeroll the casinos put up it attracts all the bums in town. Cal Neva/Reno used to have Free Bingo every morning at 8 AM. Leading up to 8 AM you saw every bum in town headed to the Cal Neva. We called it Bum Bingo. Same thing with these bumdicappers freerolls.

    Redietz plays the Bumdicappers contests.

    MLB is the real sportsbettors season. Redietz doesn't cover MLB. He slinks around in bush league college football for a few weeks a year. He's a pig farmer is Johnson Shitty, Tennessee.

    When Mickey "The Truth" Crimm talks, people listen. He's like E.F.Hutton.

    Now mickey's going to explain how I was wrong about W2Gs being no proof of having done something, just of taking tax responsibility for it. Can't wait for the insights.

    If you'll notice, mickey didn't offer his experience with people signing for others' wins until I spelled it out. Now why wouldn't he mention that when Singer is going around touting W2Gs as proof of something? You'd think Mickey "The Truth" Crimm would tell people that, wouldn't you?

    I guess not.

    And there are many more elements to the W2G subbing than slot teams subbing in for "big payouts." LOL. But yeah, I'm not going into them.

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    As far as mickey's profiling what I do, I welcome anyone to contact the Lawrences (publishers of PlayBook) or Billy Walters or Bob Fredericks of Inside Sportsview (who coordinated Las Vegas contest entries for out-of-staters for decades), then report back here what those folks think of me. There you go -- specific folks to check up on me. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue with their qualifications.

    Mickey, of course, makes money in all sports, just like he makes money playing poker and machine playing. He's like Inspector Gadget. He always has the tools to win at everything.

    I think what galls me about this nonsense is when mickey wanted to know how to properly attack sign-up free play for the sports books, he asked me not so long ago. I gave him the best short answer I could. I guess it wasn't expert enough, eh mickey?

    Tell you what, mickey. You obviously don't want me posting here with your boy, Rob's, validity continually on the line. Since you're so brilliant, covering all aspects of gambling with your Leonardo Da AP act, I give you the floor. It's a bummer, as in the last year, I gave out futures that won here, a week's worth of a baseball angle that won to the tune of between 7 1/2 and 8 1/2 units, and instructions (to kewlJ) on which books to check in what order to get the proper futures odds for his to-win-division wager. All totally worthless stuff, as opposed to your brilliant insights.

    Oh yeah, almost forgot -- I pointed out an offshore where certain specific wagers, if lost, got you a 50% or 100% free play back up to $200 for losing. Nobody else seemed to know about it or kept it to themselves. But not me. As mickey says, however, I know nothing and share no specific information.

    Take the floor, mickey. You deserve it.

  20. #140
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    As far as mickey's profiling what I do, I welcome anyone to contact the Lawrences (publishers of PlayBook) or Billy Walters or Bob Fredericks of Inside Sportsview (who coordinated Las Vegas contest entries for out-of-staters for decades), then report back here what those folks think of me. There you go -- specific folks to check up on me. I don't think anyone can reasonably argue with their qualifications.

    Mickey, of course, makes money in all sports, just like he makes money playing poker and machine playing. He's like Inspector Gadget. He always has the tools to win at everything.

    I think what galls me about this nonsense is when mickey wanted to know how to properly attack sign-up free play for the sports books, he asked me not so long ago. I gave him the best short answer I could. I guess it wasn't expert enough, eh mickey?

    Tell you what, mickey. You obviously don't want me posting here with your boy, Rob's, validity continually on the line. Since you're so brilliant, covering all aspects of gambling with your Leonardo Da AP act, I give you the floor. It's a bummer, as in the last year, I gave out futures that won here, a week's worth of a baseball angle that won to the tune of between 7 1/2 and 8 1/2 units, and instructions (to kewlJ) on which books to check in what order to get the proper futures odds for his to-win-division wager. All totally worthless stuff, as opposed to your brilliant insights.

    Oh yeah, almost forgot -- I pointed out an offshore where certain specific wagers, if lost, got you a 50% or 100% free play back up to $200 for losing. Nobody else seemed to know about it or kept it to themselves. But not me. As mickey says, however, I know nothing and share no specific information.

    Take the floor, mickey. You deserve it.

    THE Billy Walters? Top that folks!

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