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Thread: Vegas hospital royally fucks up a woman's brain after she comes in after hitting head, now she can't talk or move

  1. #41
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    the same argument you are making is also my argument in favor of punitive damage caps on medical malpractice;
    Which I totally agree with.

    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post
    I just don't think that a doctor fucking up entitles the patient to nothing, in most instances.
    Also agree with this. I think where we disagree is the term "fucking up".

    A doctor that removes the wrong kidney has "fucked up".

    A doctor, nurse responsible for a number of patients (probably too many), on a busy holiday that "missed" that a patients sodium levels were rising too quickly, did NOT fuck up (in my opinion). They missed something as human beings do. And the fact that there was a horrific outcome, doesn't change that.

  2. #42
    She went into the medical care system not paralyzed and then came out paralyzed; I would say that it is safe to assume that someone fucked up along the way. You usually don't expect to leave the medical care system in significantly worse shape than that in which you entered.

    From my reading of the second link in my first post of this thread, even though the act of reading seems to recently be a struggle for me, it would seem that some of the miscommunication/mishandling that led to this result stemmed from MountainView's desire to transfer her to a different facility. To me, that first points to a problem with the whole insurance system vis-a-vis, "In network, out of network," bullshit where I think emergency treatment should just be done, and insurance just pay for it, at least up until the point where you have the patient leaving the facility under their own power. Obviously, transferring out of facility because your facility does not have the tools to treat the patient is a different matter.

    Otherwise, I truly don't see the point of having insurance. If you can't have the hospital treat you for an emergency until such time that you are discharged (without going to another hospital) and have the insurance pay for it, then what the hell does the insurance exist for in the first place?

    But, that's neither here nor there. The jury found that the duty of care was breached, and if you're more concerned with shipping the patient somewhere else than you are with providing the patient with care, then I can certainly see the jury's point on this one. I would say it is that aspect that creates the malpractice, not the mere fact that there was a medical accident.

  3. #43
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Somebody missed something here, the sodium level rising too quickly, which lead to this rare and horrific outcome. I feel bad for the person, but I just don't see that somebody is to blame for that. That should not be the definition of malpractice and that is what we are talking about. The definition of malpractice and someone accountable for their wrong doing, should be something along the lines of the example smurgerberger gave of a doctor removing the wrong kidney. I guess i just don't think along the lines of looking to blame someone for everything that happens.
    Medical malpractice in Nevada is defined as “the failure of a physician, hospital, or employee of a hospital, in rendering services, to use the reasonable care, skill, or knowledge ordinarily used under similar circumstances” (NRS 41A. 009).

    People die every day in hospitals, be it natural causes, infections, or negligence, and not all deaths or injuries are actionable as malpractice.

    Basically a plaintiff needs to show a screw up was made that the average, competent, local medical practitioner would have caught / not made.

    KJ, would you also give a bye to a non-doctor?

    For example, if while driving your car a well-intentioned home owner is sawing down a tree and he makes an error and instead of the tree falling on the lawn it falls on your car, paralyzing you.

    He certainly didn't intend for that consequence, nor did the doctor in the malpractice case.
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  4. #44
    Why is this forum a joke and worth nothing more than entertainment for a few giggles? Because whenever any story having nothing to do with gambling is posted about other's shortcomings, mistakes, simple errors, and the unfortunate erosion of even an unknown stranger's life because of whatever, the libtards come out in force. EVERYBODY'S A VICTIM!! NOBODY HAS ANY RESPONSIBILITIES!!

    It's always somebody else's fault. Few people know how to just let things go, which is part of the reason there's so many losers in this world. Dan posts yet another story about a downtrodden event, and just like him, the liberals jump on the victim bandwagon. "Pay That Person" whether they deserve it or not. Why don't we just start handing out Victim Reparations once a month to everyone, just in case.....

    We're in the age of "it's always somebody else's fault", even in the face of a majority of truly good-intentioned people. It's just another by-product of entitlement, which itself is a product of the Obama years. Nobody cares anymore about doing what's best for the masses--it's all about ME ME ME. No one is concerned anymore about potential consequences for some of the most disgusting treatment of others. And very few truly have empathy for the incredible amount of suffering experienced daily by millions upon millions of humans and other living things. But for sure, when somebody feels they were cheated out of a room-upgrade or a free bottle of Gatorade, we'll read about it here as if their world has been completely shattered beyond all hope.

    I'm happy and fortunate to have lived most of my life in eras away from all this neediness, wimpiness and pettiness. These new generations do not produce real men any longer; men have been mentally neutered. And our democratic politicians cannot and will not define to us what a woman is. Everyone's a victim of something....if you're not then you're part of the problem. Nobody is responsible for their own actions....if you are then you're cancelled. Respect for others is a thing of the past....unless it's directed towards a foreigner, minority, or illegal alien.

    Certainly and as usual, MrV, being from the absolute worse and most pathetic part of our once great country, will try to fit in again with something only the weed-fried brain of an ex-atty. could conjure up. So I'll advise him right now: Wise up.

  5. #45
    MrV, I think we are getting a little too far into the legal "weeds" here. You are or were an attorney, and although this isn't you field of expertise, you know the law and are arguing the legal aspect of this. Smurgerburger is doing likewise. Maybe he is an attorney as well, or maybe he isn't, I have no idea.

    I am just voicing an opinion that a doctor, probably a young, somewhat inexperienced doctor, as that is usually who is working on a holiday like that, likely running around over extended, that missed something like a patient's sodium levels rising, is not on the same level as a what I would call malpractice. Smurgerburger gave a pretty good example of that with the "removing wrong kidney" scenario. THAT is freaking malpractice.

    I understand that a jury found it to be malpractice, or whatever term you want to use. But, that doesn't mean I have to agree with it. A jury found O.J. Simpson not guilty. I personally don't agree with that. A jury acquitted Casey Anthony of killing her daughter, in Florida. Remember that case? I didn't agree with that. So I just don't agree that there was "malpractice" here. That is an opinion.

    Furthermore, I began my discussion of this topic by saying the lady has to take some responsibility. The article says her alcohol blood levels were abnormally high. It was New Years Day. She was likely out drinking and using whatever other substance all night, to the point that she couldn't stand up and fell and hit her head and needed medical attention from a busy urban hospital on a holiday. I mean come on.

    Back when I lived in Philadelphia, there were some pretty bad areas of the city. One of the worst, extending from North Philly east through Kensington, a particularly bad area, was known as "the badlands". A lot of drugs and crime, murders, gang activity, prostitution. I had a friend that one night at 1:45 in the morning was almost beat to death there. He was in an induced coma a for a week before he finally began to improve. I know he was there to buy weed, because I even went there a couple times with him, during daytime hours.

    But Jesus Christ, you don't put yourself in that situation and location at 1:45 am. When you do stupid shit like that (or drink until you can't stand up without falling and hitting your head), bad things happen. People have to take some responsibility for putting themselves in a bad position. These days nobody wants to do that. They blame everybody and anybody for everything.

    I am sorry the lady ended up as she has, but she is as much responsible as anyone, in my opinion.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2023 at 03:26 PM.

  6. #46
    Singer,

    What the hell are you on about?

    I don't think there's a single person in this thread who would dispute that Geiler's actions are what led to her being hospitalized to begin with.

    Also, Geiler is now completely paralyzed and can only communicate by blinking. I'm sure any number of people, myself included, have become just as intoxicated as she was and suffered far less. I can't imagine there is a single person who would trade their ability to move, or to meaningfully communicate with anyone, in exchange for five million bucks, or whatever it ends up being. How would you even enjoy having the money?

    KewlJ,

    This appears to be the doctor:

    https://health.usnews.com/doctors/amit-valera-856846

    Over ten years of experience; a different source says eighteen years, specifically.

    You're not wrong to be in disagreement, after all, this is a matter of opinion. I think this discussion could be framed as how we would find if we were on the jury, and even then, we're working on less information than the jury was. I would also agree with you that the jury coming to a decision doesn't automatically make the decision correct; I just happen to agree with the jury in this instance and you happen to disagree.

    As far as Geiler (the lady) I would say that she is going to regret that night for whatever remains of her life; not that she is going to be able to fully express that regret to anyone---because she can only communicate by blinking.

    That said, let he who has never been smashed cast the first stone; my stones will be remaining in my palm.

    If it wasn't the drinking that directly caused this paralysis, then I don't see how the paralysis itself becomes her fault. Was it her fault she ended up in the hospital? Sure. But, that doesn't make what happened at the hospital her fault.

  7. #47
    Originally Posted by Mission146 View Post

    As far as Geiler (the lady) I would say that she is going to regret that night for whatever remains of her life; not that she is going to be able to fully express that regret to anyone---because she can only communicate by blinking.

    That said, let he who has never been smashed cast the first stone; my stones will be remaining in my palm.

    If it wasn't the drinking that directly caused this paralysis, then I don't see how the paralysis itself becomes her fault. Was it her fault she ended up in the hospital? Sure. But, that doesn't make what happened at the hospital her fault.
    Fault? Well it wasn't my buddy's "fault", that he laid in a coma for a week. He didn't beat himself with a baseball bat. But he put himself in a very bad situation as did Ms Geiler, by drinking too much. And yes mission, we have all been there... and gotten lucky that nothing happened.

    As far as expressing her regret, she is still able. She can blink 3 times for regret.

    To use your (missions) words, I will show myself out for that one.

  8. #48
    Mission, I probably can't say this without being politically incorrect and sounding like a dick, so I won't even try to hide it.

    A degree from University of Pikeville College of Osteopathic Medicine? He looks Indian or Pakistani and that is exactly the doctors you get on a busy holiday or weekend.

    University of Pikeville College of Osteopathic Medicine sounds equivalent to an attorney who got his law degree from an online college and does personal injury law (ambulance chaser). Do we know anybody like that?

    I wouldn't hire such an attorney for my legal needs and I wouldn't put myself in a position to depend on a doctor I wasn't comfortable with and couldn't easily communicate with. But that is just me.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2023 at 03:58 PM.

  9. #49
    The woman now in a coma got drunk in Las Vegas, where it is legal to drink and buy alcohol 24 hours a day, and to open carry alcohol on the strip.

    It is a well known fact, indeed it is encouraged by the casinos, that many people come to sin city to gamble, drink and get loaded on "free" booze.

    Hell, the casinos want you to get plastered so you cannot make intelligent choices about gambling.

    Given this fact one would certainly EXPECT that ER doctors would all be up to speed on all aspects of treating acute intoxication and resulting injuries.

    Obviously not the case in Las Vegas.
    Last edited by MisterV; 02-23-2023 at 04:12 PM.
    What, Me Worry?

  10. #50
    MrV!!! You edited your post, omitting a funny reference. And must have done so within the two minute time frame.

  11. #51
    Yeah, my posts are works in progress.

    I write, post, reread, change, reread, change...and the beat goes on.

    Good to see Rob getting active here again: can't wait to read and flame the latest story he concocts.
    What, Me Worry?

  12. #52
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Good to see Rob getting active here again: can't wait to read and flame the latest story he concocts.
    His latest concocted story is the 65% winning football pick season, which he referenced again today. Since it didn't occur on this forum, I will recap for everyone.

    Before the football season started, Rob bragged that he could hit 68%, picking 5 games every week. So through the first 6 weeks of the season, Rob was about even, slightly better. Then he hit a 4 week run that he did extremely well. I think one week @ 5-0, 2weeks at 4-1 and one week at 3-2. This actually put him up over his targeted 68%, at around 70% give or take. Week 11, Rob had a losing week. I forget if it was 1-4 or 2-3. THIS dropped him to 65% and he quit for the year, failing to reach his target.

    I will give him that 65% through 11 weeks was very good. Very impressive. But he didn't hit the target he bragged about and the 65% was for 11 weeks of an 18 week season. Less than two-thirds. That is like quitting a baseball game in the top of the 6th inning or a football game early in the 3rd quarter, claiming victory.

    And maybe the saddest part is that I seriously doubt Rob wagered a single dollar on his picks. So he didn't even make money. It was just typical Rob seeking attention. And we know this why? because we have all "wised up" to Rob and his game long ago. His act is just old and stale.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2023 at 04:38 PM.

  13. #53
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Good to see Rob getting active here again: can't wait to read and flame the latest story he concocts.
    His latest concocted story is the 65% winning football pick season, which he referenced again today. Since it didn't occur on this forum, I will recap for everyone.

    Before the football season started, Rob bragged that he could hit 68%, picking 5 games every week. So through the first 6 weeks of the season, Rob was about even, slightly better. Then he hit a 4 week run that he did extremely well. I think one week @ 5-0, 2weeks at 4-1 and one week at 3-2. This actually put him up over his targeted 68%, at around 70% give or take. Week 11, Rob had a losing week. I forget if it was 1-4 or 2-3. THIS dropped him to 65% and he quit for the year, failing to reach his target.

    I will give him that 65% through 11 weeks was very good. Very impressive. But he didn't hit the target he bragged about and the 65% was for 11 weeks of an 18 week season. Less than two-thirds. That is like quitting a baseball game in the top of the 6th inning or a football game early in the 3rd quarter, claiming victory.

    And maybe the saddest part is that I seriously doubt Rob wagered a single dollar on his picks. So he didn't even make money. It was just typical Rob seeking attention. And we know this why? because we have all "wised up" to Rob and his game long ago. His act is just old and stale.
    Kew, the stories you make up always come back to haunt you. But for somebody with no real life, I guess it isn't that bad a thing.

    I didn't report here that I hit 65% for an NFL season--you did. And whether or not they care to admit it, everyone here reads everything I write everywhere.

    Why would you think anyone cares what you think about if I bet on my picks or not--no one else does. All you're doing is putting your obsession with me on further display.

    You live in a warped world where you believe if you say it, it's true BECAUSE YOU WANT AND NEED IT TO BE TRUE. You're laughed at endlessly for this, yet you're too stoopid to figure it out. You've also been made a fool of by your latest hero PositiveVarience. You do this stuff while never verifying anything if it's a negative about those who've exposed what a fraud you are. Remember when PV came on in a frenzy hoping to take over for Max when he kept making an idiot out of himself for lying irrationally about my VP win? "I knew right away it was from some online jackpot site because there's a blue line and a cursor in Singer's pictures"!

    But as soon as the original casino pictures were put up for me by mickey instead of what my son could reduce the file size with, a shocked, embarrassed, and dismayed PV immediately changed his story to "Within a few tenths of a second of first seeing Singer's jackpot pictures, I KNEW it was a home machine"!!

    Are you embarrassed for that fool also? "Exercise equipment" then "card reader" nonsense followed, each completely debunked as desperation reaches.

    You see kew, you only choose to believe whatever you think will let you sleep at night. You could accept that I hit 65% in the NFL, but ONLY if you could talk yourself into believing that I didn't win any money on it. The same holds true for everything else I've done. You continually blab about how "no way Singer won $375k playing his -EV vp strategy for 4 years" because it "goes against the math". But then your genius follows that up with "it just can't be true that Singer hit the $1.5mil VP win or successfully played the DU bug for over 5 years" when NEITHER OF THOSE EVENTS HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH AP OR CLAIMING I BEAT THE MATH.

    Are you yet aware of how much an idiot you are? I would say no.

  14. #54
    Ron, what I am aware of is that you live in an alternative universe of what you want to be true, not what is true or reality. Everyone is aware of that, but some just find it amusing to laugh at you.

    Your game now seems to be to try to tell people that what they witnessed occur with there own eyes like your fake jackpot, reneging on meet up, didn't happen.

    If it is just about playing games, then have fun, but just know that No one believes you. The ship that is you and your claims as credible sailed a long time ago, sunk and sits at the bottom of the ocean.

  15. #55
    By the way Ron, you slinked out of here, tail between your legs, humiliated as you should have been, claiming never to post here or anywhere again.

    Then immediately showed up at GF, where I played along with your need for my attention. But now that I am done with GF and won't give you the attention you need, you comr crawling back here.

    That is fine. But tell us again, just who owns who(m)?

  16. #56
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Fault? Well it wasn't my buddy's "fault", that he laid in a coma for a week. He didn't beat himself with a baseball bat. But he put himself in a very bad situation as did Ms Geiler, by drinking too much. And yes mission, we have all been there... and gotten lucky that nothing happened.

    As far as expressing her regret, she is still able. She can blink 3 times for regret.
    We have been there and lucky that nothing has happened ! You little sack of shit I have broken bones on more than one occasion, been robbed, concussed, locked up, went to ER for stitches. The only thing I can say is I was never assaulted.

    It actually legitimately disgusts me that you find it amusing this woman can only blink. Someone will have to take care of her for the rest of her life. Actually she'll shrivel up. Not unconscious but not wanting to live. Bed Sores. Diapers (I guess?) Hard to imagine much more of a hell. You though make fun of her situation. Funny stuff. Even give yourself your own smiley. Oh I get it. I have gallows humor but never would I make fun of about the most fucked situation someone can be in outside of having chronic pain thrown into that mix.

    Maybe I wouldn't care but you always go into this, 'you used to be a decent guy.. blah blah..'. It is all manipulative bullshit that you think might work on me. You might not even realize you do it but that just means it is some tactic you've developed because you suck.

    Sik his ass Rob. Sik Sik boy. Get em. Oh wait, Kewl loves that shit.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  17. #57
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    It actually legitimately disgusts me that you find it amusing this woman can only blink. Someone will have to take care of her for the rest of her life. Actually she'll shrivel up. Not unconscious but not wanting to live. Bed Sores. Diapers (I guess?) Hard to imagine much more of a hell. You though make fun of her situation. Funny stuff. Even give yourself your own smiley. Oh I get it. I have gallows humor but never would I make fun of about the most fucked situation someone can be in outside of having chronic pain thrown into that mix.

    Maybe I wouldn't care but you always go into this, 'you used to be a decent guy.. blah blah..'. It is all manipulative bullshit that you think might work on me. You might not even realize you do it but that just means it is some tactic you've developed because you suck.
    Oh for God sakes. How many times have YOU and other, but specifically YOU, bitched that I take thinks too seriously and need to lighten up?

    How many Stephen Hawking jokes have you heard over the years? Did you go off on people for making a joke? So I made an off-color joke...go fuck yourself, you righteous prick!
    Last edited by kewlJ; 02-23-2023 at 11:57 PM.

  18. #58
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    It actually legitimately disgusts me that you find it amusing this woman can only blink. Someone will have to take care of her for the rest of her life. Actually she'll shrivel up. Not unconscious but not wanting to live. Bed Sores. Diapers (I guess?) Hard to imagine much more of a hell. You though make fun of her situation. Funny stuff. Even give yourself your own smiley. Oh I get it. I have gallows humor but never would I make fun of about the most fucked situation someone can be in outside of having chronic pain thrown into that mix.

    Maybe I wouldn't care but you always go into this, 'you used to be a decent guy.. blah blah..'. It is all manipulative bullshit that you think might work on me. You might not even realize you do it but that just means it is some tactic you've developed because you suck.
    Oh for God sakes. How many times have YOU and other, but specifically YOU, bitched that I take thinks too seriously and need to lighten up?

    How many Stephen Hawking jokes have you heard over the years? Did you go off on people for making a joke? So I made an off-color joke...go fuck yourself, you righteous prick!
    I'm not taking it seriously just disgusted you took it there. Like this is ongoing shit this person will have to deal with for the rest of their life. Can't even kill yourself. Then here you are making cracks. The whole situation is sickening if you're not an utter psycho. This person is going to go through a living hell. But hey a joke is a joke.

    I forget but you also showed your shit colors when Alan passed.

    I'm not sure why but it truly disgusts me but you're pretty much trash anyway so who cares.

    Good try on the rightous part .. reflection. projection. Fuck if I'm going to let you get a pass on this.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  19. #59
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    I forget but you also showed your shit colors when Alan passed.
    Look, you fucktard, I didn't say anything disrespectful when Alan passed. I liked Alan and was genuinely sad reading of his passing. He helped me navigate the unemployment system and special rules during the covid shutdown, which was so fucked up here in Nevada, that I don't think I would have figured it out without him.

    But Alan and I had a rocky online relationship. Almost from Day one, he tried to discredit me here and at WoV and the fact that he passed doesn't change that fact, just the same as when Moses passed and apologized to me in his final post, doesn't change 10 years of attacks and taking his feud offline and showing up at my home. I am sorry these members passed away, especially Alan, but these things still happened.

    Now just waiting for Singer and the Dawg to follow suit.

  20. #60
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Mission, I probably can't say this without being politically incorrect and sounding like a dick, so I won't even try to hide it.

    A degree from University of Pikeville College of Osteopathic Medicine? He looks Indian or Pakistani and that is exactly the doctors you get on a busy holiday or weekend.

    University of Pikeville College of Osteopathic Medicine sounds equivalent to an attorney who got his law degree from an online college and does personal injury law (ambulance chaser). Do we know anybody like that?

    I wouldn't hire such an attorney for my legal needs and I wouldn't put myself in a position to depend on a doctor I wasn't comfortable with and couldn't easily communicate with. But that is just me.
    If you say so. I think we'd be severely understaffed, as a nation, if you got rid of all of the Indian/Pakistani doctors. I guess close to 30% of U.S. doctors were born somewhere else, of course, some number of those were not born in India or Pakistan.

    I guess consider the source, but the school claims to be ranked pretty well:

    https://www.upike.edu/osteopathic-me...thic-medicine/

    The Kentucky College of Osteopathic Medicine (KYCOM) ranked second among all D.O. and M.D. granting medical schools in the U.S. for graduates entering primary care residencies, and ranked 12th in family medicine. KYCOM has earned high marks in rural medicine, ranking seventh among all medical schools in the nation, both D.O. and M.D., in U.S. News & World Report’s rankings of best medical schools for 2018.
    Besides, doesn't your shitting on the doctor, by implication, make it more likely that the doctor legit fucked up?

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