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  1. #2581
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    With no offense intended to anyone, what kind of person goes on an anonymous gambling forum & brags about their credit score?

    Who the fuck cares?

    If people have great credit scores, more power to them.

    If they have bad credit scores more power to them also because they probably screwed over one of the big megabanks in the process.

    But really, who cares lol?

    Right. Complete agreement. Even if the brag is a response to someone trying to undermine "gambling credibility" by mentioning that the same person doesn't pay their real estate taxes on time each year. Kind of ridiculous.

    So who's to be chastised here? The moron who uses a single data point to try to publicly profile someone's finances, or the person RESPONDING to that jab by pointing out that they have a better multiple data point credit score than the person making the initial abusive ad hominem comment? Pick your side.

    All of it is irrelevant. The relevant point is that a champion of AP-ing, arguably the highest profile AP in Las Vegas for the last 20 years, is doing stuff I did for 40 years, and the response here has been, "What, is he broke?" LOL. Well, it's either that, or he's not broke.

    Figure it out. I think what happens when maroons like tableplay get logically exposed is that they go all ad hominem, grasping for any stupid irrelevant detail rather than explaining how they could be so incredibly wrong about something germane to gambling.

    Sports gambling operates on a volume and level way beyond all of the trivial blackjack, machine play, AP-ing discussed here. Deal with reality. What Munchkin is doing makes perfect sense. His reputation provides the gravitas he needs to do so, he has the intimate knowledge of how to do it, and in many ways, it may indeed be a step up financially. If you had some sense of his history with sports betting or how much he generally wagers offshore and on-shore, and I have that sense, you'd understand this.

    I apologize if tableplay's sports gambling ignorance has ruffled any feathers. But he is a sports-gambling maroon. He literally has no idea about much of anything, but he tries to insert his alleged "AP" expertise into every subject.

    His idiotic comments about Mr. Munchkin's finances are much more stupid than anything he's written about me. Munchkin and I, by the way, are real, public people who have made their livings gambling for decades. Tableplay is some anonymous nine-letter handle.

    As I said, pick a side.
    I don’t really understand why on an anonymous forum you have an issue that people are anonymous?

    Its sort of like going to an AA meeting & complaining that everyone is an alcoholic.

    Or going to a Nordstroms & expecting low prices. Or going to a Walmart & expecting great service.

    Or going to a Mcdonalds & expecting gourmet food. Or going to a Motel 6 & expecting a luxury spa suite. Or going to a Terrible’s & expecting to find a $10,000 min bet baccarat game.

  2. #2582
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Your grievance is that he is speculating...so go ahead and straighten him out.
    This is exactly right. He is speculating, but he wrote that he knew his was higher. He should have wrote that he is assuming it was higher, rather than that it was higher than mine. The fact that he defined a guess as a certainty is clear, and I am satisfied with this, regardless of whether his guess is correct or not. I don't know his credit score and I don't care if mine is higher than his or not.
    Last edited by tableplay; 10-18-2024 at 07:13 PM.

  3. #2583
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Your grievance is that he is speculating...so go ahead and straighten him out.
    This is exactly right. He is speculating, but he wrote that he knew his was higher. He should have wrote that he is assuming it was higher, rather than that it was higher than mine. The fact that he defined a guess as a certainty is clear, and I am satisfied with this, regardless of whether his guess is correct or not. I don't know his credit score and I don't care if mine is higher than his or not.
    Words of wisdom--and disdain for MANY--on gambling forums: once you reach 60 and are STILL concerned about that noose that's controlled you throughout your life in the USA (your credit score) then your life has not been a successful one. If you are unable to pay cash for all of your purchases after attaining 60 years of age--whether it be for groceries, healthcare, vehicles, homes, or beer--you are free to smash your heads up against a cement wall and ask "WHAT THE FUCK WAS IT ALL FOR!!?"

    It is then that you will begin to realize how much of a failure in life you truly have been. And you ask yourself....was it because of a bad gambling habit?

    THIS is where my term "the little people" comes from. Successful people never worry about 20 bucks here or a hundred bucks there. They don't belittle service workers, clerks, and anyone who works hard at annoying jobs for relatively little pay. They treat everyone they come in contact with, with respect, because they aren't constantly battling financial challenges like 35 yr. old big mouth, obnoxious yuppies.

    Again, if credit scores are still important to you after age 60, you are a loser.

  4. #2584
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    They don't belittle service workers, clerks, and anyone who works hard at annoying jobs for relatively little pay. They treat everyone they come in contact with, with respect
    This is quite true. It's the nouveau riche insecure in their position, who put down anyone less fortunate. And some of those waiters and bellhops might someday be more wealthy than we are anyway.

    There is of course at least one obvious exception. UNKewlJ deserves all the scorn that may be heaped on those narrow shoulders! He brought it all on himself.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  5. #2585
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by DGenBen View Post
    With no offense intended to anyone, what kind of person goes on an anonymous gambling forum & brags about their credit score?

    Who the fuck cares?

    If people have great credit scores, more power to them.

    If they have bad credit scores more power to them also because they probably screwed over one of the big megabanks in the process.

    But really, who cares lol?

    Right. Complete agreement. Even if the brag is a response to someone trying to undermine "gambling credibility" by mentioning that the same person doesn't pay their real estate taxes on time each year. Kind of ridiculous.

    So who's to be chastised here? The moron who uses a single data point to try to publicly profile someone's finances, or the person RESPONDING to that jab by pointing out that they have a better multiple data point credit score than the person making the initial abusive ad hominem comment? Pick your side.

    All of it is irrelevant. The relevant point is that a champion of AP-ing, arguably the highest profile AP in Las Vegas for the last 20 years, is doing stuff I did for 40 years, and the response here has been, "What, is he broke?" LOL. Well, it's either that, or he's not broke.

    Figure it out. I think what happens when maroons like tableplay get logically exposed is that they go all ad hominem, grasping for any stupid irrelevant detail rather than explaining how they could be so incredibly wrong about something germane to gambling.

    Sports gambling operates on a volume and level way beyond all of the trivial blackjack, machine play, AP-ing discussed here. Deal with reality. What Munchkin is doing makes perfect sense. His reputation provides the gravitas he needs to do so, he has the intimate knowledge of how to do it, and in many ways, it may indeed be a step up financially. If you had some sense of his history with sports betting or how much he generally wagers offshore and on-shore, and I have that sense, you'd understand this.

    I apologize if tableplay's sports gambling ignorance has ruffled any feathers. But he is a sports-gambling maroon. He literally has no idea about much of anything, but he tries to insert his alleged "AP" expertise into every subject.

    His idiotic comments about Mr. Munchkin's finances are much more stupid than anything he's written about me. Munchkin and I, by the way, are real, public people who have made their livings gambling for decades. Tableplay is some anonymous nine-letter handle.

    As I said, pick a side.
    Munchkin is not doing what you’ve done for the past 40 years. He’s multi-accounting. You are dead set against multi-accounting. He’s not handicapping. He uses computer generated numbers that are given to him. His main job is to find accounts. Do you remember Curtis saying he’d like to get in on it. Munch shot back “can you get me accounts?”

    Multi accounting sports and multi accounting slot cards are similar. The person that owns the sports account gets a percentage of the earn. The person whose names is on the slot card gets either a flat fee or a percentage. Both plays are highly lucrative. But don’t tell redietz.

    Redietz has a problem when it comes to Munch. He once said “do you really think the books are afraid of Dancer and Munchkin?” Then he had lunch with Munch and referred to him as “a real AP” and other illusory names.

    So now Munch has exposed himself as a multi accounter. Something redietz has been preaching against forever. Munch has given a ton of credibility to the concept of multi accounting. That’s got to chap the Ditz’ balls.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  6. #2586
    Redietz gets shit because he told everyone to use our real name. So someone finds his delinquency. It is on him.

    Rediet crapped all over multiaccounting then totally flips the script because he had lunch with some dude. Good stuff.

  7. #2587
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Your grievance is that he is speculating...so go ahead and straighten him out.
    This is exactly right. He is speculating, but he wrote that he knew his was higher. He should have wrote that he is assuming it was higher, rather than that it was higher than mine. The fact that he defined a guess as a certainty is clear, and I am satisfied with this, regardless of whether his guess is correct or not. I don't know his credit score and I don't care if mine is higher than his or not.
    I'm not bragging but the wife and uncle have over 800.
    I played the pump and dump strategy.
    When I was in my early 20s I maxed out everything.
    My credit score went down to something like 550 lol.
    As time went by, like 20 years, the defaults rectified, and I piggy backed on a bunch of other people's credit cards and loans.
    Now my credit score is around 740 or so.
    Time to burn it all down again
    I like this Free Play game.
    Never take me alive... copper!

  8. #2588
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Never take me alive... copper!
    "https://youtu.be/W-XA5uyL1Ns?t=50"

  9. #2589
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Never take me alive... copper!
    "https://youtu.be/W-XA5uyL1Ns?t=50"
    Looks like fun.
    I think I have played this one but not 100% sure.
    Nice Touch with the Drug Rat, Loan Shark, Machine Gun Croc and Diamond Weasel.
    The Batman history/trivia about this machine was a good read.

  10. #2590
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Your grievance is that he is speculating...so go ahead and straighten him out.
    This is exactly right. He is speculating, but he wrote that he knew his was higher. He should have wrote that he is assuming it was higher, rather than that it was higher than mine. The fact that he defined a guess as a certainty is clear, and I am satisfied with this, regardless of whether his guess is correct or not. I don't know his credit score and I don't care if mine is higher than his or not.
    I'm not bragging but the wife and uncle have over 800.
    I played the pump and dump strategy.
    When I was in my early 20s I maxed out everything.
    My credit score went down to something like 550 lol.
    As time went by, like 20 years, the defaults rectified, and I piggy backed on a bunch of other people's credit cards and loans.
    Now my credit score is around 740 or so.
    Time to burn it all down again
    I like this Free Play game.
    Never take me alive... copper!
    Fat fuck working on getting his credit score as low as his weight is high.

    So easy to spot him on Fremont, not many that fat waddling around looking homeless, but knowing he’s not because the homeless just don’t get that fat.

  11. #2591

  12. #2592
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Never take me alive... copper!
    "https://youtu.be/W-XA5uyL1Ns?t=50"
    Looks like fun.
    I think I have played this one but not 100% sure.
    Nice Touch with the Drug Rat, Loan Shark, Machine Gun Croc and Diamond Weasel.
    The Batman history/trivia about this machine was a good read.
    Yes, I didn't realize that Police Force was originally supposed to be Batman either. There were quite a few Batman pinballs. Data East Batman (that came out in the early 90's IIRC), Sega Batman Forever (Batman Forever based on the Batman Forever movie with Val Kilmer, Tommy Lee Jones and Jim Carrey), and then Batman Dark Knight and Batman 66 from Stern.

    Originally the pinball Theatre of Magic (Bally/Williams) was supposed to be David Copperfield - but David Copperfield backed out (Williams sued him), so they made it Theatre of Magic instead.

    Anyway, the strategy on Police Force is straight forward - keep hitting the center ramp and it gets up to a million a shot. Plus it lights an extra ball on the right orbit. The game rolls over at 100 Million.

  13. #2593
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Munchkin is not doing what you’ve done for the past 40 years. He’s multi-accounting. You are dead set against multi-accounting. He’s not handicapping. He uses computer generated numbers that are given to him. His main job is to find accounts. Do you remember Curtis saying he’d like to get in on it. Munch shot back “can you get me accounts?”

    Multi accounting sports and multi accounting slot cards are similar. The person that owns the sports account gets a percentage of the earn. The person whose names is on the slot card gets either a flat fee or a percentage. Both plays are highly lucrative. But don’t tell redietz.

    Redietz has a problem when it comes to Munch. He once said “do you really think the books are afraid of Dancer and Munchkin?” Then he had lunch with Munch and referred to him as “a real AP” and other illusory names.

    So now Munch has exposed himself as a multi accounter. Something redietz has been preaching against forever. Munch has given a ton of credibility to the concept of multi accounting. That’s got to chap the Ditz’ balls.
    Dietz in his ignorant bliss runs down AP’s that work multiple forms of gambling. No one is smart enough to do that and are bound to fail he ignorantly states. I’ve tried to tell him that concepts that work in one form of gambling can work in others.

    Case in point. Multi accounting sports and multi carding are two variations of an old play/concept known as The Big Player. Behind both multi accounting and multi carding is a big player.

    Al Francesca developed the big player concept 50 years ago. Ken Uston utilized it and even wrote a book about using it to fleece the casinos out of millions. Uston posted card counters on multiple tables betting minimum. When a count was right the agent would signal the count to Uston who would then step in betting table max. Hence, the Big Player.

    Some may remember the local casinos with the “Cash your paycheck here receive 125 coin bonus on next 4 of a kind.” At $5 denom it was 105.5% on 9/6 Jacks, a $580 earn. So a well bankrolled player (big player) used working stiffs by offering them a cut of the money. I remember Danny L. opening a business checking account in Bullhead City to write paychecks for the Laughlin casinos.

    So here we have an advantage play concept thats been applied to 4 different forms of gambling.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  14. #2594
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Munchkin is not doing what you’ve done for the past 40 years. He’s multi-accounting. You are dead set against multi-accounting. He’s not handicapping. He uses computer generated numbers that are given to him. His main job is to find accounts. Do you remember Curtis saying he’d like to get in on it. Munch shot back “can you get me accounts?”

    Multi accounting sports and multi accounting slot cards are similar. The person that owns the sports account gets a percentage of the earn. The person whose names is on the slot card gets either a flat fee or a percentage. Both plays are highly lucrative. But don’t tell redietz.

    Redietz has a problem when it comes to Munch. He once said “do you really think the books are afraid of Dancer and Munchkin?” Then he had lunch with Munch and referred to him as “a real AP” and other illusory names.

    So now Munch has exposed himself as a multi accounter. Something redietz has been preaching against forever. Munch has given a ton of credibility to the concept of multi accounting. That’s got to chap the Ditz’ balls.
    Dietz in his ignorant bliss runs down AP’s that work multiple forms of gambling. No one is smart enough to do that and are bound to fail he ignorantly states. I’ve tried to tell him that concepts that work in one form of gambling can work in others.

    Case in point. Multi accounting sports and multi carding are two variations of an old play/concept known as The Big Player. Behind both multi accounting and multi carding is a big player.

    Al Francesca developed the big player concept 50 years ago. Ken Uston utilized it and even wrote a book about using it to fleece the casinos out of millions. Uston posted card counters on multiple tables betting minimum. When a count was right the agent would signal the count to Uston who would then step in betting table max. Hence, the Big Player.

    Some may remember the local casinos with the “Cash your paycheck here receive 125 coin bonus on next 4 of a kind.” At $5 denom it was 105.5% on 9/6 Jacks, a $580 earn. So a well bankrolled player (big player) used working stiffs by offering them a cut of the money. I remember Danny L. opening a business checking account in Bullhead City to write paychecks for the Laughlin casinos.

    So here we have an advantage play concept thats been applied to 4 different forms of gambling.

    What was described in the post I responded to was not multi-accounting. Multi-accounting was not mentioned. If you want me to respond to "multi-accounting" as far as sports books go, I'll be glad to do so. Obviously, Mr. Walters was "multi-accounting" for decades. I never said anything negative about what he did.

    What I find idiotic is "multi-accounting" as a way to get sign-up bonuses, which is what I have discussed here on this forum. That is the only real way I have attacked "multi-accounting." Don't believe me? Find a quote where I said anything about "multi-accounting" as a bad thing to circumvent player labeling or limits. "Multi-accounting" is a bad and incredibly selfish tactic to acquire sign-up bonuses. As a way to circumvent limits, well, good luck with that. Most winning sports bettors, and this is especially true of long-term name experts, have betting profiles that are really tough to disguise.

    What you don't seem to realize is how transparent most "multi-accounting" efforts are to most sports books. Once you cross into "multi-accounting" territory, they can scoop up your account(s), and there's a good chance your money is out the window. To do this stuff simply for sign-up bonuses (oh, lookie here, I got 20 people to sign up and kept 80% of their bonuses, ain't I an AP genius) is asinine.

  15. #2595
    The voice of inexperience.

  16. #2596
    Originally Posted by smurgerburger View Post
    The voice of inexperience.

    Right-o. As someone who actually, as a real person with a real name, worked for Billy Walters (check out the book, Gambler, by Mr. Walters or the chapter in Richard Munchkin's book where Mr. Munchkin interviews Walters), I am always the voice of inexperience when compared to the whiz-bang anonymous dudes on VCT. Undoubtedly, smurgerburger has made a fine living as a sports betting expert and has keen insights regarding the fortunes to be made with negligible risk as a sports betting "AP."

    This, of course, explains his need for anonymity as he protects his inside knowledge and extensive contacts.

    Secure communications and anonymity are keys to protecting one's lucrative livelihood, after all. Here's a clip of smurgerburger, tableplay, account, kewlJ exchanging "AP" insider tips. Mickey can play The Chief.



  17. #2597
    Good post ditz.

    It is hard to take you seriously on any level when you flip-flop between multiaccounting ripping off people you know vs munchkin doing it and being some great man.

  18. #2598
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Secure communications and anonymity are keys to protecting one's lucrative livelihood, after all.
    I am not an expert in all forms of advantage play. But I do have some expertise with table games, in particular blackjack advantage play. You can mock it all you want but yes, protecting one's identity is the key to longevity in this area. And as I have branched into other areas of AP in recent years, I see it just as important, with new efforts to identify machine players similar to what blackjack players have dealt with for decades.

    Anyone who doesn't understand the connection between anonymity and casino advantage play longevity is.....well.... a "ditz".
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  19. #2599
    UNKewlJ is literally like a pinball machine that whines softly and goes on

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    with just a little nudge, as he spouts his nonsense in a desperate attempt to be heard. (After vowing to "no longer post on this or any forum." )

    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    Wow, the kewl-groomer still squealing like a little bitch, amazing, hey hey!!!!
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  20. #2600
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    Secure communications and anonymity are keys to protecting one's lucrative livelihood, after all.
    I am not an expert in all forms of advantage play. But I do have some expertise with table games, in particular blackjack advantage play. You can mock it all you want but yes, protecting one's identity is the key to longevity in this area. And as I have branched into other areas of AP in recent years, I see it just as important, with new efforts to identify machine players similar to what blackjack players have dealt with for decades.

    Anyone who doesn't understand the connection between anonymity and casino advantage play longevity is.....well.... a "ditz".
    I avoided casino hosts like the plague.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

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