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  1. #301
    So, MrV, I just took a look at the property in South Dakota mentioned. I see the truck and car in photos. I see value estimates of $246 - $311K. Looks like a nice enough house.

    Rob clearly doesn't live there as all his many different gambling claims over the last 20 years have taken place in and around Las Vegas. Towards the tail end of the time frame he now claims he was playing the double up bug, his official residence was listed as a trailer park in Pahrump, NV.

  2. #302
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    KJ, you're "preachng to the choir" about Rob and his boasts, I too agree he tells a lot of whoppers.

    My point in posting was only to point out that yes, there is a home in his name.

    Given your pursuit of Rob (much like a terrier pursuing a rat) I am quite surprised you never found this info on line: it was "hiding in plain sight."
    MrV, my interest was only in looking for things that supported or disputed Rob's claims. I mean seriously, I didn't look who owns the home in Emory Soth Dakota that Rob visits for a couple months each summer. I was mildly interested in the places he lives or lived in and around Las Vegas, which includes Pheonix area, where his claims were supposedly to have taken place.

  3. #303
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So, MrV, I just took a look at the property in South Dakota mentioned. I see the truck and car in photos. I see value estimates of $246 - $311K. Looks like a nice enough house. Rob clearly doesn't live there as all his many different gambling claims over the last 20 years have taken place in and around Las Vegas. Towards the tail end of the time frame he now claims he was playing the double up bug, his official residence was listed as a trailer park in Pahrump, NV.


    True, but I suspect he really does own it and stays there when not traveling around the country staying elsewhere, be it with family, in a campground, or in a casino.

    Not my cuppa to wander aimlessly around but who am I to judge?
    What, Me Worry?

  4. #304
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    True, but I suspect he really does own it and stays there when not traveling around the country staying elsewhere, be it with family, in a campground, or in a casino.

    Not my cuppa to wander aimlessly around but who am I to judge?
    No he does not MrV. His primary residence these days is a home that his daughter owns in Glendale, Arizona. THAT is where he resides 9-10 months a year. THAT is where all his claims originate from. THAT is what dan Druff has stated his IP address shows. THAT is where Rob posted a picture of the safe with the guns, and movie prop money. THAT is where he claimed his made up RV was parked. THAT is where he went to an RV dealership, climbed into an RV on the showroom floor and took pictures.

    In the very fist sentence of the Interview with Shackleford, Mike revealed that Rob lives in Pheonix. Rob has talked about living 9 miles from State Farm Stadium in Glendale Arizona, where the Cardinals play. When Rob created a sock puppet, Girlfriday or FridayGirl (I forget which) on this forum, Dan Druff confirmed that GirlFriday sockpuppet was originating from the same area in Pheonix that Rob lives.

    Rob Lives in Pheonix in his daughter's house. If there is a property in South Dakota or anywhere else that he is associated with, good for him. Maybe he helped out a son or daughter purchase a home, as he should have been able to do with the career he says he had. But a home in South Dakota in his name or associated with him, in no way supports any of these many different unlikely to impossible gambling claims in and around Las Vegas over the last 20 years.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-10-2023 at 01:24 PM.

  5. #305
    It could be that he rents the SD house out to a third party.

    Otherwise, and does this make sense: he leaves it vacant nine months and occupies it for three?
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #306
    So silly, and predictable. You people are seeing exactly what I want your dumb searches to see, and exactly in the way needed. I now challenge you idiots to "look up" my retirement accounts, my wife's, and my overseas accounts and investments.

    Kew, your bottom line begins and ends in unimpressive failure. I researched you on a professional level--not the $2.50 internet searches you cherry-pick from--long before these people doxxed you, and suffice it to say only a broke and addicted gambler moves out of a house and into a slug high rise apt. building, after claiming "sugar daddy died but it was MY house" so my useless clan had to scatter!

    No wonder you (and V) remain go-nowhere/do nothings. I lived better in my college dorm than you do today.

  7. #307
    MrV, I also take offense to this narrative, what did you call it... a terrier chasing a rat.

    I challenged Rob Singers gambling claims, stating with ones that defied math and lately some that just are extremely unlikely and not the way Las Vegas works. Same as I have done with a few others. As a professional player and advantage player, I think we have that right to call out complete BS.

    It is he who went after me with personal attacks. I have never said a word about his wife or family. I don't have the need to falsely put down his daughter's house where he lives as he does with me. Rob once posted a video tour of his daughter's house. Looked like a nice enough house. I really don't care about anything he does or his life outside these claims. As a betting man, I would bet he has embellished all these aspects of his James Bond-like career. But I really don't care about what he did for a living. I don't care that he claims to have a good family life. Good for him. Nor do I care that he may do some traveling, now in his retirement. Again, good for him.

    I care only about his gambling claims.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-10-2023 at 02:00 PM.

  8. #308
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So silly, and predictable. You people are seeing exactly what I want your dumb searches to see, and exactly in the way needed. I now challenge you idiots to "look up" my retirement accounts, my wife's, and my overseas accounts and investments.

    Kew, your bottom line begins and ends in unimpressive failure. I researched you on a professional level--not the $2.50 internet searches you cherry-pick from--long before these people doxxed you, and suffice it to say only a broke and addicted gambler moves out of a house and into a slug high rise apt. building, after claiming "sugar daddy died but it was MY house" so my useless clan had to scatter!

    No wonder you (and V) remain go-nowhere/do nothings. I lived better in my college dorm than you do today.
    Singer, you don't even realize what a post like this, the kind you frequently make, reveals about you.

    I certainly have never questioned your retirement accounts. I don't care. Has anyone questioned or challenged that? If so, take it up with them. BUT, what it does reveal is that you worked all those years that you claimed to have been playing Vegas, using the magical Singer progression system, all those years you claimed to have played the double up bug (which you stole from the news stories). You have a lifetime of working, not all the fantastical gambling claims you have made. THAT can be documented by your retirement accounts. But nothing else, none of your fantastical gambling claims have any kind of supporting documentation.

    Second thing revealed is your complete jealousy and bitterness, when you say these things you frequently repeat, like "slum high-rise" and all this sugar daddy nonsense. It is pretty easy to connect me to my late partner and a simple search reveals he had no money. Besides what he made partnering with me on some of our AP plays, he had a small social security disability income. If he was a sugardaddy, he was the poorest (money-wise) sugardaddy in the history of sugardaddies.

    And the "slum highrise" in which my brother and I reside, is one of the nicer and most sought after condo buildings in Vegas. That you and people like this seedvalue lie about thse things that people can now look up for themselves, reveals just how crazy and angry you are. But that is your issue, not mine.

  9. #309
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    No wonder you (and V) remain go-nowhere/do nothings. I lived better in my college dorm than you do today.
    Gotta love how this nitwit makes bold claims about my lifestyle without a shred of evidence to back it up.

    Memo to Rob: I retired after 40 years of practicing law; only an idiot wouldn't have made "adequate provision" for retirement while the money was rolling in while working.

    And I am no idiot, Rob: in fact, the odds are very good that I have more money, more valuable investments, and more real estate than you do, but at the end of the day what does it really matter?

    We're just here to amuse ourselves at other's expense while hopefully learning and teaching a bit to others.
    What, Me Worry?

  10. #310
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.
    Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

    It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

    Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.

  11. #311
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.
    Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

    It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

    Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.
    Says the guy that is just another hater making up lies. You said in an earlier post that Rob hand "bankruptcies." That's plural. I know of one that was long before his gambling career. If you know of more then give us the details. If you can't then you lied. You also said "evictions" That's also plural. Please list these multiple evictions or else you lied.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  12. #312
    V, you and KJ are frickin' funny. Especially K-I don't care-J. He looks all kinds of shit up on Rob but he "don't care." Get a life, KJ.

    News to me that Rob owns a home in Emery. That's how much I keep up with this stuff. I don't. But looks like a nice place.

    If we go back far enough Rob went to South Dakota because it's the cheapest state in the country to register an RV. I found the RV park there and pics. It looks like a very nice place. If Rob bought a home there he must like the area. It certainly is a great small town in America. And the politics in SD are a little more amenable to Rob than Arizona is these days.

    I think you guys are a little off on how much time Rob spends in Phoenix. Hell, it can hit 100 degrees in April. I think his time is more like 50-50.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  13. #313
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Porter is good. He did a good job of explaining how he is able to get a big enough wager in.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  14. #314
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Porter is good. He did a good job of explaining how he is able to get a big enough wager in.
    Yes. He's very pragmatic IMHO; a great trait for an AP and it will take him far IMHO.

  15. #315
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post

    I think you guys are a little off on how much time Rob spends in Phoenix. Hell, it can hit 100 degrees in April. I think his time is more like 50-50.
    Isn't it funny how lapdog mickey shows up to support Rob every time Rob is making a fool of himself, getting hung out to dry by his own words.

    But I will play along. Lapdog mickey says Rob spends 50% of his time away from Pheonix. So let's just take a look.

    May 13, 2022: Rob announced that he was looking for a 10 play $25 machine. pretty much a pre-announcement of what was soon to follow.

    Less than two weeks later, on May 26, Rob posted pictures of a 1.5 million dollar hit from a computer near the workout equipment in his daughter's home. (probably not the basement, because most desert homes have no basement, but definitely the storage area of the home).

    Was it the following day that Rob posted 'proof' of this million and a half jackpot by posting pictures of a safe with movie prop money purchased from Amazon.

    What followed was days of the back-and-forth nonsense that Rob thrives on, and a proposed meeting to meet Maxpen on May 31 (day after memorial day) at South Point at 12:30pm. Maxpen was there all day and Rob didn't show, although Rob bizarrely claims he walked through at 10:15, two hours BEFORE the scheduled meet time, and then headed back to Pheonix.

    Several weeks later on June 16, we saw a repeat of this renegged meetup with Dan Druff at GVR.

    At that point Rob exited this forum, but posted daily at GF. He did claim he was taking an east coast trip, ending in Reno where he asked to meet Moses. That is when Moses informed us, he was battling cancer.

    By the end of July Rob was back in Pheonix, and offered to meet redietz in Las Vegas August 8-12.

    And by the beginning of September, Rob was posting his weekly football picks from Pheonix, "9 miles from the stadium".

    So mickey Crimm, please share where this 6 month period was that Rob escapes Pheonix? At best Rob took a driving trip for a month, after the Dan Druff / GVR fiasco June 16th. Being retired he can afford to do that. But don't give us this crap that he travels 6 months a year "to avoid the 100 degree heat". He lives in Pheonix in his daughter's house.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 03-10-2023 at 08:37 PM.

  16. #316
    I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.

    ZenKing, are you sucking big black dicks on the side, Or do you prefer spic dicks?

  17. #317
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.
    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?

  18. #318
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    So, MrV, I just took a look at the property in South Dakota mentioned. I see the truck and car in photos. I see value estimates of $246 - $311K. Looks like a nice enough house. Rob clearly doesn't live there as all his many different gambling claims over the last 20 years have taken place in and around Las Vegas. Towards the tail end of the time frame he now claims he was playing the double up bug, his official residence was listed as a trailer park in Pahrump, NV.


    True, but I suspect he really does own it and stays there when not traveling around the country staying elsewhere, be it with family, in a campground, or in a casino.

    Not my cuppa to wander aimlessly around but who am I to judge?
    Nowadays, with opportunities almost everywhere and the ability to AP online from anywhere with the internet. I have actually thought of selling or renting out my place, buying an RV, and just driving to whatever beautiful places I can think of and going Fishing, hiking, sightseeing, just spending time relaxing and playing whatever opportunities come up whenever I feel like it.

    If we get sick of it or it doesn't work out sell the RV and go back to whatever you were doing prior.

    The problem: I hate long-distance boring driving. We have a lot of animals, and I have lots of crap.

  19. #319
    To expand on the Zenking situation, a longtime member of Tommy Hylands team, rightfully opined that the big benefit of Las Vegas as far as blackjack card counting was "quantity of games over quality of games". I don't know how many players relocate here to pursue blackjack anymore, like myself and Zenking did. I am guessing some, that we just don't hear about. But if a player does, it really should be to take advantage of that "quantity" and grind away. If you are going to be a player that only plays a handful of hours at higher stakes, traveling to different places, you can do that from anywhere.

  20. #320
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.
    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.

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