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  1. #721
    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post

    Math and money skills are alien to most people. I've had zero success over the years wising up friends or family.

    Bob Dancer wrote about this recently:

    https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...o-do-her-best/

    He tries to bring his wife in on his AP slot plays. But if he leaves her alone, she'll lose the plot and switch to the wrong bet selection, or keep playing after the objective has been achieved.

    there is an irony about APs and non APs in sports betting

    APs could never be profitable if it wasn't for the non APs - it would be sharks vs. sharks

    the sharks would quickly bet the lines up or down to their true probabilities - the only chance would be to bet right as the lines opened up from books - and they would all know that and would all be doing the same thing and it wouldn't be successful

    the takeout (house holdback on the payouts) would eat the APs alive

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    Last edited by Half Smoke; 06-02-2023 at 02:31 AM.
    please don't feed the trolls

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  3. #723
    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...7284-For-Monet

    If you want to see the latest from Redietz on sports betting read the above.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  4. #724
    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ng-Sportsbooks

    If you don't read PFA much you might miss this. I recommend the scammers section but Chinamaniac is not a scammer.

    This is an example of what a real professional mid to high-level sports bettor does. Crack on weak markets that have high-limit props.

    Redietz could learn a few things and only a few things because there isn't much info in the thread.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  5. #725
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ng-Sportsbooks

    If you don't read PFA much you might miss this. I recommend the scammers section but Chinamaniac is not a scammer.

    This is an example of what a real professional mid to high-level sports bettor does. Crack on weak markets that have high-limit props.

    Redietz could learn a few things and only a few things because there isn't much info in the thread.
    In that thread Druff's opinion is that Chinamaniac is a very talented and trustworthy sports bettor.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  6. #726
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ng-Sportsbooks

    If you don't read PFA much you might miss this. I recommend the scammers section but Chinamaniac is not a scammer.

    This is an example of what a real professional mid to high-level sports bettor does. Crack on weak markets that have high-limit props.

    Redietz could learn a few things and only a few things because there isn't much info in the thread.
    In that thread Druff's opinion is that Chinamaniac is a very talented and trustworthy sports bettor.
    Yes, Chinamaniac is a trustworthy good dude from anything I've ever known. I've been an acquaintance for many many years now.

    Real sports bettors who put in significant action aren't fucking around with tournaments. They may be multi-accounting or they may be in big poker games looking for whales who will start betting their picks for a %. Or in China's case just some book who has no idea what a sharp bettor even looks like. Maybe they're multi-accounting via networking with new players. Then they have hooked up with some wiz-kid ivey leaguers who need a way to get down their action.

    The angles in sports betting are so numerous.

    My guess is almost all of the contacts China made in in Borgata/Foxwoods were utilized like one of the above although China himself handicaps some certain subset of props.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #727
    Bump!

    redietz got caught in his own bullshit. I called him on it. His response? Silence. He thinks if he ignores it then it will go away. But we don't forget, redietz.

    According to redietz Rob is a sleazeball for not teaching his friends how to work sports betting promotions. But redietz also said he refuses to teach his relatives how to work sports betting promotions.

    So according to redietz, Rob is wrong for not teaching his relatives but redietz is right for not teaching his relatives.

    How does that work, redietz? Explain it to us like we are 3rd graders.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  8. #728
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Tableplay, Thanks for posting this. I found this very interesting. Along with AP, I find gambling cheaters very intriguing. At first, I was thinking there is no way he could have pulled off this cheat move for 25 years. He did this cheat move at the Horse Track with His Father. After he gave all the details, I find it very likley that he is telling the truth -- Especially 25 to 30 years ago when it was all paper copies and no computers. Also, a horse track couldn't reference back to a computer for CCTV as easily as they can today.

    Another factor that makes it believable, is the fact that He claims him and his Dad would blow all the money they made from the cheat move on that particular day playing -EV Roulette during that evening. He said it was rinse and repeat for 25 years. Cheat move, then Get hotel, nice dinner, go to bar, go to club, casino to play Roulette.

    He said there were times he would do the cheat move at the horse track for $2k or so, give the money back on -EV slot machines (at the SAME location), then do the cheat move again for another $2k or so, rinse and repeat lol.

    The entire scam was done to feed his addiction. Initially, they wouldn't make their winning ticket pay out more than $2k, since they would check the video. They eventually found private bookies where they could do it for up to $10k without any heat.

  9. #729
    Mickey, I must have missed something. I was under the impression that you and Redietz were cool with one another?

    Can I get the Cliffs?

  10. #730
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Bump!

    redietz got caught in his own bullshit. I called him on it. His response? Silence. He thinks if he ignores it then it will go away. But we don't forget, redietz.

    According to redietz Rob is a sleazeball for not teaching his friends how to work sports betting promotions. But redietz also said he refuses to teach his relatives how to work sports betting promotions.

    So according to redietz, Rob is wrong for not teaching his relatives but redietz is right for not teaching his relatives.

    How does that work, redietz? Explain it to us like we are 3rd graders.
    You kicked Redietz's poor forum noggin in a bit too much. Some of his brains spilt out on his keyboard and in a dazed desperation he had to find some high ground to make a new stand.

    It was a pretty ridiculous attempt. lol
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  11. #731
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Tableplay, Thanks for posting this.
    No problem, glad you enjoyed it.

  12. #732
    Originally Posted by PositiveVariance View Post
    Mickey, I must have missed something. I was under the impression that you and Redietz were cool with one another?

    Can I get the Cliffs?
    Reditz is exceedingly arrogant and totally dismissive of the methods modern professional bettors use. He is some weird anachronism from 20-40 years ago. Think Quantum Leap level shit.

    So Crimm decided he wanted to be taught by the best and here is the thread. It isn't all about learning from Reditz though, lots of good stuff put in one thread.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  13. #733
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Reditz is exceedingly arrogant and totally dismissive of the methods modern professional bettors use. He is some weird anachronism from 20-40 years ago. Think Quantum Leap level shit.

    So Crimm decided he wanted to be taught by the best and here is the thread. It isn't all about learning from Reditz though, lots of good stuff put in one thread.
    Redeitz is an old school sports handicapper. He has made a living in this business for 40 years. People in the sports handicapping business, especially back in the day were not the most upstanding church going types. There was some shady and cut throat stuff that took place. Monet paints all people that gamble for a living with that same brush. And there is probably at least some truth to it. There is definitely some back-stabbing, every man for himself shit that takes place in the world of gambling.

    Techniques have changed in sports betting, with new opportunities. A lot of that has to do with chasing bonuses. I am not sure redeitz an old school type, is up on all that. He says some, but I don't think he is like a pure AP. A pure AP just wants to bet the game, because the bonus is his advantage. He doesn't care about either team. He doesn't have to know anything about either team. And old school guy likely resents that. And resents AP's moving in on what he considers his territory.

    And yes, Redietz can be arrogant and condescending. And you have made it clear you don't like him. And now mickeycrimm has too. Does that mean a guy who has made a living for decades off sports betting isn't welcome here? That he has nothing to offer a gambling forum?

    When I joined the BJ21 blackjack forum over a decade ago, there were quite a number of older, cranky, grouchy players. Players that played in the 80's and 90's and had grown really bitter with the less favorable condition of the mid to late 2000's. Curmudgeons is the word I want to use. They were just grouchy and cranky. They called players like me, young whipper-snapper, and thinks much worse. They were older generation players, cranky as hell, but still had a lot to offer as far as wisdom and experience. I can't imagine anyone suggesting they didn't belong on the forum or had nothing to offer, because they were arrogant and dismissive of newer players and methods.

    This is NOT Jr high school. This is NOT a popularity contest, where you should run people off just because you don't like them or find them dismissive or arrogant or don't fit into your little clique or group.

  14. #734
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Reditz is exceedingly arrogant and totally dismissive of the methods modern professional bettors use. He is some weird anachronism from 20-40 years ago. Think Quantum Leap level shit.

    So Crimm decided he wanted to be taught by the best and here is the thread. It isn't all about learning from Reditz though, lots of good stuff put in one thread.
    Redeitz is an old school sports handicapper. He has made a living in this business for 40 years. People in the sports handicapping business, especially back in the day were not the most upstanding church going types. There was some shady and cut throat stuff that took place. Monet paints all people that gamble for a living with that same brush. And there is probably at least some truth to it. There is definitely some back-stabbing, every man for himself shit that takes place in the world of gambling.

    Techniques have changed in sports betting, with new opportunities. A lot of that has to do with chasing bonuses. I am not sure redeitz an old school type, is up on all that. He says some, but I don't think he is like a pure AP. A pure AP just wants to bet the game, because the bonus is his advantage. He doesn't care about either team. He doesn't have to know anything about either team. And old school guy likely resents that. And resents AP's moving in on what he considers his territory.

    And yes, Redietz can be arrogant and condescending. And you have made it clear you don't like him. And now mickeycrimm has too. Does that mean a guy who has made a living for decades off sports betting isn't welcome here? That he has nothing to offer a gambling forum?

    When I joined the BJ21 blackjack forum over a decade ago, there were quite a number of older, cranky, grouchy players. Players that played in the 80's and 90's and had grown really bitter with the less favorable condition of the mid to late 2000's. Curmudgeons is the word I want to use. They were just grouchy and cranky. They called players like me, young whipper-snapper, and thinks much worse. They were older generation players, cranky as hell, but still had a lot to offer as far as wisdom and experience. I can't imagine anyone suggesting they didn't belong on the forum or had nothing to offer, because they were arrogant and dismissive of newer players and methods.

    This is NOT Jr high school. This is NOT a popularity contest, where you should run people off just because you don't like them or find them dismissive or arrogant or don't fit into your little clique or group.
    Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

    I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

    If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

    You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  15. #735
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

    I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

    If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

    You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.
    Your post is arrogant and dismissive.

  16. #736
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    Here is your problem. You start lecturing to people who know far more than you. APs bet sports anytime it is +EV. Whether bonus or not. APs aren't strictly limited to bonuses by any stretch. Your need to explain things you barely know anything about is obnoxious.

    I don't think I've ever said Reditz doesn't belong in this forum. Where are you even getting this? You just make shit up.

    If you and Singer belong then sure as shit reditz belongs too BUT he has to realize this is a free speech place.

    You really have no clue what sort of basic shit reditz is dismissive over. Weak lines and +EV are terms i used multiple time and probably every other sharp pro bettor wouldn't blink at those terms being uttered. They however are winners and not SOMEONE TRYING TO PROVE THEY ARE A WINNER. FURTHERMORE, NO ONE IN THESE DISCUSSIONS IS A NEW SPORTS BETTOR OR HAS NEW METHODS outside of bonuses that come and go.
    Your post is arrogant and dismissive.
    As deserved.

    The difference here is that Reditz is arrogant and dismissive about terminology and definitions used by just about every modern pro sports bettor. He aims it at us because we also use the proper terminlogy while discussing sports with him.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  17. #737
    .

    Mickey's tagline:


    "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people that sports betting is a contest of who knows the most about sports." Plus EV Analytics


    the implication, maybe not directly stated - but nonetheless - is that knowledge of sports is not important in sports betting

    yes, when you sign on you can profit by hedging with bonuses and using other weird promos they give you until they decide they won't give you any more

    and once in a blue moon you can find some kinna imbalance in the lines at different books that gets you +EV - not often enough to be significant

    but the idea that you can find lots of good bets in sports while knowing little about it is just about pure nonsense

    and the line is an insult to people such as Dan who do know a great deal about sports

    that is what drives his winning - not his use of bonus or promo money

    .
    Last edited by Half Smoke; 06-29-2023 at 04:56 AM.
    please don't feed the trolls

  18. #738
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    .

    Mickey's tagline:


    "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people that sports betting is a contest of who knows the most about sports." Plus EV Analytics


    the implication, maybe not directly stated - but nonetheless - is that knowledge of sports is not important in sports betting

    yes, when you sign on you can profit by hedging with bonuses and using other weird promos they give you until they decide they won't give you any more

    and once in a blue moon you can find some kinna imbalance in the lines at different books that gets you +EV - not often enough to be significant

    but the idea that you can find lots of good bets in sports while knowing little about it is just about pure nonsense

    and the line is an insult to people such as Dan who do know a great deal about sports

    that is what drives his winning - not his use of bonus or promo money

    .
    I do not intend, at my age, to try and become a professional handicapper. In gambling I've always taken the path of least resistance. All I'm interested in is the easy money. The easy way in sports betting is to take the free bet money. Who cares if it doesn't last. Just take the easy money while you can. I moved on from a gillion plays that dried up in 27 years.

    redietz gave me his account of working free bets but I found something much more in depth on Unabated. Here is their take on working free bets:

    ttps://unabated.com/articles/risk-free-bet-profit-strategy
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    but the idea that you can find lots of good bets in sports while knowing little about it is just about pure nonsense
    I never believe anything until it's been vigorously denied.

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    Originally Posted by Don Perignom View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    but the idea that you can find lots of good bets in sports while knowing little about it is just about pure nonsense
    I never believe anything until it's been vigorously denied.
    No disrespect intended, but other people may have found situations that aren't obvious to you. I may be off track, but in my efforts toward basic sportsball competency, I've focused entirely on promotions and disparities. Although I can see the value of handicrapping, I'm not convinced it's worth the effort for my situation. I took a similar approach during the poker boom. I'm sure it feels good to be an expert, but I'm here for the easy money.

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