Professional Sportsbetting

[Treeshade]

YES I DID! Axelwolf has also come back to this several times. I spelled out exactly what my rollover amounts where and why: because I had a history of being a losing sport bettor for several years at several of the sportsbooks. I didn't exactly say it was 4x rollover at one and 6 times at another because I didn't want to be that specific in fear of anything being tied to me. I doubt sportsbooks in costa Ricos or wherever are reading VCT, but I just didn't want to say that, while that play was active just in case.

The rollover and bonuses I received at 2 of the books where NOT offers shown or available on their websites. I received them because of several years as a losing player, just as a losing slot player for years at a brick and mortor might receive better offers than the normal. When I decided to bonus whore this year, several previous losing years benefited me.

In one case, not going to say which one, I received an email from "my host" at the sportsbook at the start of football season saying he had good offers available if I was interested. When I responded, he said 8 x rollover. I said no thanks, I have better than that at another sportsbook I am using and then he dropped it to 4x. Before he dropped it I wasn't even planning on playing that sportsbook.

A player, especially with a losing track record can negotiate terms differently, significantly better than posted. I happened to take advantage of that the first time I decided to bonus whore. What is so hard about that to understand?

I am now into (well into) my second round and the rollovers aren't quite so good. I am going to have to be very close to 50/.50 (hopefully above) to make any real money.

So fuck you Soxfan. I have explained, just as I always do. It is just some of you haters don't want to hear and accept what you dont want to hear.

Hey Hey!

Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.

To expand on this and to once again highlight the advantages of working with a good team just imagine the possibilities of this play. If you have the knowledge of how every level of a particular rewards program works with unlimited people. Tell me again how individuals make more money then a well oiled team of APs working together. Yes it involves many working parts with in many cases incomplete information but everything can be worked out. Teams are betting then individuals

Recruit guys with a history of working with teams in a highly competitive environment. Those people if they were high performers are insanely loyal and driven. They don’t have a rat bone in their body. The ideal teammate in AP is not the awkward shy introverted math geek. This beta will fold the moment a suit approaches them. Get those guys to work out the math for you behind the scenes. That’s what they are good at. Don’t train or recruit these types of people to actually do shit In a casino

[Treeshade]

Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.

To expand on this and to once again highlight the advantages of working with a good team just imagine the possibilities of this play. If you have the knowledge of how every level of a particular rewards program works with unlimited people. Tell me again how individuals make more money then a well oiled team of APs working together. Yes it involves many working parts with in many cases incomplete information but everything can be worked out. Teams are betting then individuals

Recruit guys with a history of working with teams in a highly competitive environment. Those people if they were high performers are insanely loyal and driven. They don’t have a rat bone in their body. The ideal teammate in AP is not the awkward shy introverted math geek. This beta will fold the moment a suit approaches them. Get those guys to work out the math for you behind the scenes. That’s what they are good at. Don’t train or recruit these types of people to actually do shit In a casino

A good resource to look for new guys willing to learn are recruiters for the armed forces. They have infinite contacts of high performing vets looking for work. Another is D1 college recruiters. Former college athletes are high performing team oriented people. I love women who Played D1 sports that test out good. Those are the best performing APs on the teams I have run. They typically get more time in before back offs in almost any situation.

[Don Perignom]

I had a similar situation in the last month betting NBA basketball with an offshore online sportsbook. Nets were -6 points in a game but +190 on the money line. I bet a few hundred on the money line. The bet was still active as the game started, but during the game, the bet just disappeared. No explanation, no email stating the bet was void, like I sometimes get. Just disappeared as if never made.

I take a lot of screenshots, so I have an ID # to reference. So far my disasters have been self-inflicted, such as betting one side for the first half, and the other side for the game because I forgot which tab was open.

[Treeshade]

I had a similar situation in the last month betting NBA basketball with an offshore online sportsbook. Nets were -6 points in a game but +190 on the money line. I bet a few hundred on the money line. The bet was still active as the game started, but during the game, the bet just disappeared. No explanation, no email stating the bet was void, like I sometimes get. Just disappeared as if never made.

I take a lot of screenshots, so I have an ID # to reference. So far my disasters have been self-inflicted, such as betting one side for the first half, and the other side for the game because I forgot which tab was open.

What a life sign me up

[mickeycrimm]

I have posed many simple legitimate (non-provocative) questions to Red and got nothing but crickets. I can predict what questions will be answered by him honestly with anything legit and what will be met with vitriol.

Yeah, okay. Anonymous genius "AP" Axelwolf makes a couple comments that are, I'm sure by his standards, non-provocative. I'm sure Axelwolf had a real good reason to make that last post. Care to share that non-provocative rationale?

What an ass. Couldn't just not comment.

Tell you what, Dom. If you want some specifics, email me at Integritysports@aol.com. I wouldn't want to force Axelwolf to make additional asinine posts.

Axel is not anonymous in the AP community. I still remember you calling Spanky a "cute anonymous nickname." Little did you know he's one of the most famous sports bettors in the world.

[mickeycrimm]

Capt. Jack Andrews has a Who's who of sportsbetting on this podcast. Guests are Rufus Peabody, Spanky, Dave Sharapan, Jeff Ma, Drew Dinsick, Andy Molitor, Dave Purdum, Dink Denkerson, Gill Alexander. Roxy Roxborough appears at the 1:38 mark and stays for 40 minutes.

[mickeycrimm]

The dumb shit some tac cheats do is show 40K in income while making 80K a year in mortgage payments. Your lifestyle has to look like what you report.

[AxelWolf]

YES I DID! Axelwolf has also come back to this several times. I spelled out exactly what my rollover amounts where and why: because I had a history of being a losing sport bettor for several years at several of the sportsbooks. I didn't exactly say it was 4x rollover at one and 6 times at another because I didn't want to be that specific in fear of anything being tied to me. I doubt sportsbooks in costa Ricos or wherever are reading VCT, but I just didn't want to say that, while that play was active just in case.

The rollover and bonuses I received at 2 of the books where NOT offers shown or available on their websites. I received them because of several years as a losing player, just as a losing slot player for years at a brick and mortor might receive better offers than the normal. When I decided to bonus whore this year, several previous losing years benefited me.

In one case, not going to say which one, I received an email from "my host" at the sportsbook at the start of football season saying he had good offers available if I was interested. When I responded, he said 8 x rollover. I said no thanks, I have better than that at another sportsbook I am using and then he dropped it to 4x. Before he dropped it I wasn't even planning on playing that sportsbook.

A player, especially with a losing track record can negotiate terms differently, significantly better than posted. I happened to take advantage of that the first time I decided to bonus whore. What is so hard about that to understand?

I am now into (well into) my second round and the rollovers aren't quite so good. I am going to have to be very close to 50/.50 (hopefully above) to make any real money.

So fuck you Soxfan. I have explained, just as I always do. It is just some of you haters don't want to hear and accept what you dont want to hear.

Hey Hey!

Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.

It wasn't too long ago that KJ had mentioned something about not even wanting to mess with online offshore sports books or something like that. So years of losing online? I believe KJ said something about not betting much on sports mainly just entertainment-type bets. I believe he noted before he wasn't up or down much.

I'm fairly good at negotiating with these guys(I know what they want to hear and see, I even cover play on slots) and this is on accounts that show 20k+ losses and I can't get 20k in bonuses with an average of 4.7(?) x rollover. Unless this was some rip-off joint who wasn't ever going to pay I'm amazed at 20k in bonuses from offshore with a 4.7 average roll.

[accountinquestion]

YES I DID! Axelwolf has also come back to this several times. I spelled out exactly what my rollover amounts where and why: because I had a history of being a losing sport bettor for several years at several of the sportsbooks. I didn't exactly say it was 4x rollover at one and 6 times at another because I didn't want to be that specific in fear of anything being tied to me. I doubt sportsbooks in costa Ricos or wherever are reading VCT, but I just didn't want to say that, while that play was active just in case.

The rollover and bonuses I received at 2 of the books where NOT offers shown or available on their websites. I received them because of several years as a losing player, just as a losing slot player for years at a brick and mortor might receive better offers than the normal. When I decided to bonus whore this year, several previous losing years benefited me.

In one case, not going to say which one, I received an email from "my host" at the sportsbook at the start of football season saying he had good offers available if I was interested. When I responded, he said 8 x rollover. I said no thanks, I have better than that at another sportsbook I am using and then he dropped it to 4x. Before he dropped it I wasn't even planning on playing that sportsbook.

A player, especially with a losing track record can negotiate terms differently, significantly better than posted. I happened to take advantage of that the first time I decided to bonus whore. What is so hard about that to understand?

I am now into (well into) my second round and the rollovers aren't quite so good. I am going to have to be very close to 50/.50 (hopefully above) to make any real money.

So fuck you Soxfan. I have explained, just as I always do. It is just some of you haters don't want to hear and accept what you dont want to hear.

Hey Hey!

Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.

It wasn't too long ago that KJ had mentioned something about not even wanting to mess with online offshore sports books or something like that. So years of losing online? I believe KJ said something about not betting much on sports mainly just entertainment-type bets. I believe he noted before he wasn't up or down much.

I'm fairly good at negotiating with these guys(I know what they want to hear and see, I even cover play on slots) and this is on accounts that show 20k+ losses and I can't get 20k in bonuses with an average of 4.7(?) x rollover. Unless this was some rip-off joint who wasn't ever going to pay I'm amazed at 20k in bonuses from offshore with a 4.7 average roll.

Another example of knowing math while not knowing math in Kewl's case. He just can't really understand this stuff even after reading every forum post he can get his hands on inorder to regurgitate stuff as his own.

[kewlJ]

Another example of knowing math while not knowing math in Kewl's case. He just can't really understand this stuff even after reading every forum post he can get his hands on inorder to regurgitate stuff as his own.

I get a kick (not really) out of you haters that repeat this regurgitate bullshit. (yeah I could have said regurgitate this regurgitate bullshit ). This is a Rob Singer nonsense that you are repeating and foolishly so. It only serves to expose you as a troll and hater.

Where exactly do you think learning, education and knowledge comes from in the arena of advantage play? Is there some sort of advantage play acadamy that APs attend? AP summer camp? (not to be confused with the blackjack boot camps )

AP knowledge comes from reading forums and things that other AP's share, communicating privately with other AP's who share things, some trial and error mixed with figuring things out on your own.

So, absolutely I have learned a great deal in what I do blackjack wise and more recently some other areas of AP, like sports betting from some AP's on forums. NOT YOU, accountinQuestion. All anyone can learn from you is how to troll and hate.

Really dude, you are taking your leads from Rob Singer?

[Rob.Singer]

Another example of knowing math while not knowing math in Kewl's case. He just can't really understand this stuff even after reading every forum post he can get his hands on inorder to regurgitate stuff as his own.

I get a kick (not really) out of you haters that repeat this regurgitate bullshit. (yeah I could have said regurgitate this regurgitate bullshit ). This is a Rob Singer nonsense that you are repeating and foolishly so. It only serves to expose you as a troll and hater.

Where exactly do you think learning, education and knowledge comes from in the arena of advantage play? Is there some sort of advantage play acadamy that APs attend? AP summer camp? (not to be confused with the blackjack boot camps )

AP knowledge comes from reading forums and things that other AP's share, communicating privately with other AP's who share things, some trial and error mixed with figuring things out on your own.

So, absolutely I have learned a great deal in what I do blackjack wise and more recently some other areas of AP, like sports betting from some AP's on forums. NOT YOU, accountinQuestion. All anyone can learn from you is how to troll and hate.

Really dude, you are taking your leads from Rob Singer?

As The Stomach Turns....you got caught again kew.....

This fully explains why you claim to be a lowlife homo as part of your concocted online forum life. You've been caught in the story-telling regurgitation process so many times that you have nothing left to lose at this point. The "baby bro" angle didn't force anyone off-track. And your obvious nervous lying every time someone identifies your plaguerism is stuff only a warped mother like yours could love.

[kewlJ]

The only plagiarism that I have seen on this forum would be when Rob Singer stole news accounts of the double up bug and claimed it as his own.

[accountinquestion]

Another example of knowing math while not knowing math in Kewl's case. He just can't really understand this stuff even after reading every forum post he can get his hands on inorder to regurgitate stuff as his own.

I get a kick (not really) out of you haters that repeat this regurgitate bullshit. (yeah I could have said regurgitate this regurgitate bullshit ). This is a Rob Singer nonsense that you are repeating and foolishly so. It only serves to expose you as a troll and hater.

Where exactly do you think learning, education and knowledge comes from in the arena of advantage play? Is there some sort of advantage play acadamy that APs attend? AP summer camp? (not to be confused with the blackjack boot camps )

AP knowledge comes from reading forums and things that other AP's share, communicating privately with other AP's who share things, some trial and error mixed with figuring things out on your own.

So, absolutely I have learned a great deal in what I do blackjack wise and more recently some other areas of AP, like sports betting from some AP's on forums. NOT YOU, accountinQuestion. All anyone can learn from you is how to troll and hate.

Really dude, you are taking your leads from Rob Singer?

More nonsensical bullshit. Singer is the last one I listen to. Every AP who posts here regularly have come to the EXACT same conclusion. Let me put them in a list.

Axel
MaxPen
SmurgerBurger
Seedvalue
Monet
myself

Unknown?
Crimm
Mission

Those who do believe you?
MisterV (Not an AP)

Again for my gentle readers. Years ago Kewl came to me in private and told me some crazy story. It has been demonstrated countless time to be complete bullshit even if not provable. I took it as true simply because of the history that Kewl had built up over the years by keeping his story reasonable. Why was he compelled to send me that in private? .. I have no clue except it prevented him from being called out in public.

Kewl, see if you can get therapy on a sliding scale basis. They can probably find someone for you that a red chipper can afford. Get help somehow, someway.

The rollover amounts are laughably improbable. Not only that BUT Kewl got them across MULTIPLE books. This is that case where maybe 1 of them could have happened but Kewl being as bad at these things as he is, claimed it happened on a few sportsbook. No one else has had such an experience on one book but Kewl managed it on multiples. lol

[soxfan]

Bbbbwwwaaaaaaaaaahhh, the kewl-J/pinnochio subscribe to the George Costanza school of bulls-shitting, hey hey!!!!

[kewlJ]

Kewl, see if you can get therapy on a sliding scale basis. They can probably find someone for you that a red chipper can afford. Get help somehow, someway.

Why must you always go right to the name calling and attacking? Have I ever done that with you?

You can believe whatever you like. And I am happy to have a reasonable, civilized discussion about something we may disagree or have different views of. I have given you about 100 chances to have such a discussion and every time, you immediately go to name calling. I guess you are incapable of being a decent, normal person.

So go fuck yourself. I am not going to keep treating you like a decent human being, when you repeatedly prove you are not.

[accountinquestion]

Kewl, see if you can get therapy on a sliding scale basis. They can probably find someone for you that a red chipper can afford. Get help somehow, someway.

Why must you always go right to the name calling and attacking? Have I ever done that with you?

You can believe whatever you like. And I am happy to have a reasonable, civilized discussion about something we may disagree or have different views of. I have given you about 100 chances to have such a discussion and every time, you immediately go to name calling. I guess you are incapable of being a decent, normal person.

So go fuck yourself. I am not going to keep treating you like a decent human being, when you repeatedly prove you are not.

You lied to me and I put my reputation out there repeating it "on good authority".

So, no, you can go fuck yourself !

I didn't call you a name. I'm just having a discussion about your dysfunction.

I should probably be more empathetic towards you. I've become a lot more empathetic as I'm older and more successful. I understand I'm smart and talented enough that i've found ways to have a comfortable living without working much. Not many have it so good. You're just some sad character.

I gave you a chance in private to take back your nonsense and you told me to fuck off at that point. I was being sincere and reasonable.

You've made death threats, used racist slurs towards others, threatened to have the news (lol) come after Druff. They are all indicative of you being worse than a pathological liar. There is little sympathy from me.

Here is a clue. Once someone points out your obvious bullshit you should just drop it. Stick in the well known area of blackjack and all the stuff you've read in that area. That is what got you where you are in the forum world. Stick with it. (or better yet - seek help)

Anyway, I should find better things to do than picking you apart. It is a bit sadistic at this point.

Also there is no point in having a discussion about bullshit. It isn't a matter of perspective nor is there a discussion to be had.

[AxelWolf]

20k in sports bonuses with an average of 5x wagering requirement. Rinse, and repeat until rich! That's huge. And here's why... One can make random picks and it's +EV. One could hedge off each game and guarantee a profit, (smaller, but guaranteed). It wouldn't take but a few minutes a week, day, or month(however you want to structure it.) You simply log in and click a few buttons whenever your bets have been resolved.

I'm not even factoring in the go big or go home advantage where your rolling over would be greatly reduced and your edge would be higher.
There are ways to direct the flow and make it less likely you'll be a winner at that joint thus more big offers to be negotiated.

Given the time and ease this could be done one should be scaling up and multi-accounting. No need for years of losing, it's worth just cover losing on a few accounts just to get negotiated offers. Lose 1k to get 10k in future value.

[AxelWolf]

I know how these guys work in many cases. And no one is special unless they have lost significant amounts.

I.E. There's no such thing as "Just for you". It's just a matter of finding out what their best deal is and negotiating it.

I hear the "this deal is just for you, today only", line all the time. 20 minutes later they are saying the same thing to my friends.

[Treeshade]

YES I DID! Axelwolf has also come back to this several times. I spelled out exactly what my rollover amounts where and why: because I had a history of being a losing sport bettor for several years at several of the sportsbooks. I didn't exactly say it was 4x rollover at one and 6 times at another because I didn't want to be that specific in fear of anything being tied to me. I doubt sportsbooks in costa Ricos or wherever are reading VCT, but I just didn't want to say that, while that play was active just in case.

The rollover and bonuses I received at 2 of the books where NOT offers shown or available on their websites. I received them because of several years as a losing player, just as a losing slot player for years at a brick and mortor might receive better offers than the normal. When I decided to bonus whore this year, several previous losing years benefited me.

In one case, not going to say which one, I received an email from "my host" at the sportsbook at the start of football season saying he had good offers available if I was interested. When I responded, he said 8 x rollover. I said no thanks, I have better than that at another sportsbook I am using and then he dropped it to 4x. Before he dropped it I wasn't even planning on playing that sportsbook.

A player, especially with a losing track record can negotiate terms differently, significantly better than posted. I happened to take advantage of that the first time I decided to bonus whore. What is so hard about that to understand?

I am now into (well into) my second round and the rollovers aren't quite so good. I am going to have to be very close to 50/.50 (hopefully above) to make any real money.

So fuck you Soxfan. I have explained, just as I always do. It is just some of you haters don't want to hear and accept what you dont want to hear.

Hey Hey!

Can’t believe I’m confirming this fairytale writer However what he’s talking about in regards to host offers in the sports book based on slot loss in a casino is something I have worked with teams of people. Chances are Kew read about it somewhere tho and didn’t actually do anything.

It wasn't too long ago that KJ had mentioned something about not even wanting to mess with online offshore sports books or something like that. So years of losing online? I believe KJ said something about not betting much on sports mainly just entertainment-type bets. I believe he noted before he wasn't up or down much.

I'm fairly good at negotiating with these guys(I know what they want to hear and see, I even cover play on slots) and this is on accounts that show 20k+ losses and I can't get 20k in bonuses with an average of 4.7(?) x rollover. Unless this was some rip-off joint who wasn't ever going to pay I'm amazed at 20k in bonuses from offshore with a 4.7 average roll.

I’ve negotiated up to 15k in casino bonuses with a roll over that didn’t matter ( you know why I’m assuming)

These are accounts with significant loss and history in brick and mortar casinos. I’ve done this on all of the legal online casinos in the US. Penn at one point was unlimited money,
not so much now using this method. All negotiated with host.

The catch is this.. once you cash out anything significant the gravy train is over. Even tho you literally didn’t win one penny from their bonus. Complicated yes if you know Axel you know right ?

We would have many accounts sitting with 5 to 12k just waiting to cash out all at once. Near the end of running this play one online provider locked all these accounts and we had to contact the state to get them to release the funds. This involved each person sending a video verification with ID in front of the computer logged in to their account. Totally absurd but doable.

We always negotiated casino bonuses over sports because the EV was higher. However utilizing live at the window betting with online bonus clearing ended up being easier eventually after the site’s caught on to our play.

There are still very lucrative opportunities with negotiated bonuses. The problem for me is I only have so much time in the day. If I have more profitable method to win with less heat Even if it’s slightly less profitable I’m doing that instead.

[Don Perignom]

I'm not even factoring in the go big or go home advantage where your rolling over would be greatly reduced and your edge would be higher.
There are ways to direct the flow and make it less likely you'll be a winner at that joint thus more big offers to be negotiated.

I'm with you on the first sentence, but clueless on the second.

If I have $1000 at two different books, is there a way to selectively bust one while doubling up the other?