Professional Sportsbetting

[Treeshade]

A good sport's bettor who uses everything +EV to his advantage and someone who bets large (and small) makes a shit ton per year.

No they use bonus money

live in game betting has the biggest edges currently. You might make as much as you get turning tricks at Turnberry

[Half Smoke]

No they use bonus money

live in game betting has the biggest edges currently.

at WoV - there's a guy who posts a great many or maybe even all of his picks

at first it was hard for me to believe - but now I do

he's way, way up from bonus money, freeplay, or whatever you wanna call it

I don't think he was even doing the live in-game stuff - just the very ordinary stuff -

it just seemed so easy - what he was doing - almost TOO easy

he admits he has no edge and would be a loser without the bonus money

it's pretty astonishing to me - the ferocious competition for the online customer has created these opportunities - but only for those who use them wisely

eventually some of the books figured out they couldn't crush the guy and dried up most of his freeplay - but still



gambling is really a totally new world now with online opportunities compared to the old days of just a few brick and mortar hot spots and bookies and illegal parlors and such

who would ever have believed you don't even need an edge to be a winner in sports betting - not me - until recently


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[Half Smoke]

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re the above post - the guy got ahead into the low 5 figures before the books cut back on his free stuff

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[AxelWolf]

No they use bonus money

live in game betting has the biggest edges currently.

at WoV - there's a guy who posts a great many or maybe even all of his picks

at first it was hard for me to believe - but now I do

he's way, way up from bonus money, freeplay, or whatever you wanna call it

I don't think he was even doing the live in-game stuff - just the very ordinary stuff -

it just seemed so easy - what he was doing - almost TOO easy

he admits he has no edge and would be a loser without the bonus money

it's pretty astonishing to me - the ferocious competition for the online customer has created these opportunities - but only for those who use them wisely

eventually some of the books figured out they couldn't crush the guy and dried up most of his freeplay - but still




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You're talking about SooPoo, he's a retired anesthesiologist and his wife is a dentist. He's what I would call an advantage player enthusiast he understands math and numbers and, he understands when there's an advantage to be had. He will dabble in AP when the opportunity presents itself.

[AxelWolf]

No they use bonus money

live in game betting has the biggest edges currently.

at WoV - there's a guy who posts a great many or maybe even all of his picks

at first it was hard for me to believe - but now I do

he's way, way up from bonus money, freeplay, or whatever you wanna call it

I don't think he was even doing the live in-game stuff - just the very ordinary stuff -

it just seemed so easy - what he was doing - almost TOO easy

he admits he has no edge and would be a loser without the bonus money

it's pretty astonishing to me - the ferocious competition for the online customer has created these opportunities - but only for those who use them wisely

eventually some of the books figured out they couldn't crush the guy and dried up most of his freeplay - but still



gambling is really a totally new world now with online opportunities compared to the old days of just a few brick and mortar hot spots and bookies and illegal parlors and such

who would ever have believed you don't even need an edge to be a winner in sports betting - not me - until recently


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Red calls sports bonuses a gimmick, but it's been going on for around 20 years. There's recently been a resurgence with legal online sports betting and fantasy sports for money. If you add up all the bonuses, boosts, possibly middling, hedging, line shopping, and use various advice such as Road dogs and other little types of ways to cut down your vig or gain a slight advantage, there's no reason you couldn't make a decent amount of money per year.

[mickeycrimm]

There was a recent thread on Pokerfraudalert about a PFA member named "Chinamaniac" soliciting for multi-accounting sportsbooks. The thread started off negative but then Druff gave China an endorsement. I read the thread and listened to a podcast of China being interviewed. The stated reason China is soliciting is because he claims he's been banned on all the sites. He also utilizes something I never heard of before called PPH (Pay Per Head). He says he's had a thousand accounts and never lost on even one of them. It looks like he is more into prop betting than sides and totals. He also claimed to have had over 1 million dollars in prop bets on last year's superbowl. He also used the term "EV." If everything is true then this guy would have to be pretty high caliber.

Another takeaway is the guy started in gambling with pretty much nothing and worked his way up.

Here's the thread over at PFA:

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ng-Sportsbooks

And here's the podcast. China chimes in at the 6:00 mark:



And here is an explanation of Pay Per Head:

https://payperhead.com/what-is-pay-per-head/

[accountinquestion]

There was a recent thread on Pokerfraudalert about a PFA member named "Chinamaniac" soliciting for multi-accounting sportsbooks. The thread started off negative but then Druff gave China an endorsement. I read the thread and listened to a podcast of China being interviewed. The stated reason China is soliciting is because he claims he's been banned on all the sites. He also utilizes something I never heard of before called PPH (Pay Per Head). He says he's had a thousand accounts and never lost on even one of them. It looks like he is more into prop betting than sides and totals. He also claimed to have had over 1 million dollars in prop bets on last year's superbowl. He also used the term "EV." If everything is true then this guy would have to be pretty high caliber.

Another takeaway is the guy started in gambling with pretty much nothing and worked his way up.

Here's the thread over at PFA:

https://pokerfraudalert.com/forum/sh...ng-Sportsbooks

And here's the podcast. China chimes in at the 6:00 mark:



And here is an explanation of Pay Per Head:

https://payperhead.com/what-is-pay-per-head/

It makes sense about pay per head. They're not losing the money directly so they don't need to maintain super-sharp lines. Bookies don't get how vulnerable they are too props.

Chinamaniac offered me a deal years ago if I had the right bookie. He's a good guy. I have known him for many years but we're not in contact. I believe he has a lot of posts on 2+2. He is actually a really huge troll but not that VCT flavor of a troll.

My inspiration for switching to HU poker for several years may have very well been because of his influence.

[cyberbabble]

A pph is a company that provides a platform/software for a bookie. An agent is a bookie or someone that works for a bookie. The pph doesn't handle any money. The agent collects and pays the money.

If you want to start a comic book store you set up a store on Ebay or Amazon. They provide the platform and you handle the money.

If you want to try being a bookie you can set up on a pph. You could call it Southbet. I think Northbet has already been taken.

Perhaps redeitz could jump in. I bet he knows a lot about how a pph works.

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[accountinquestion]

Let me take a guess here. Billy Waters constantly drops references to a man Mr Dietz.

[cyberbabble]

I live in a non-sports betting state. I like to keep up on what is going on around the country.

I see Tennessee has a dozen or so legal phone app betting sites.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a Tennesse resident posting here. Somebody with some sports betting knowledge. Somebody with a relatively small bankroll of $25k or so that could be dedicated to sports betting for a year.

Deposit $2k in each sportsbook account and grind bonuses and promos for a year. It should be easy to clear $5k or so per book on bonuses and promos alone. In addition there would be many opportunities for middles, betting off market lines, and other types of bets.

If this person could consistently just pick a few winners in a year this could easily be in the range of $10k per book per year.

This would be $100k in a year. Not bad for an hour or two a day.

They could post every day or two and give a running account of their activities like Tasha does.

[MaxPen]

I live in a non-sports betting state. I like to keep up on what is going on around the country.

I see Tennessee has a dozen or so legal phone app betting sites.

Wouldn't it be great if we had a Tennesse resident posting here. Somebody with some sports betting knowledge. Somebody with a relatively small bankroll of $25k or so that could be dedicated to sports betting for a year.

Deposit $2k in each sportsbook account and grind bonuses and promos for a year. It should be easy to clear $5k or so per book on bonuses and promos alone. In addition there would be many opportunities for middles, betting off market lines, and other types of bets.

If this person could consistently just pick a few winners in a year this could easily be in the range of $10k per book per year.

This would be $100k in a year. Not bad for an hour or two a day.

They could post every day or two and give a running account of their activities like Tasha does.

That sounds like to much responsibility for someone that doesn't pay their property taxes

[AxelWolf]

Let me take a guess here. Billy Waters constantly drops references to a man Mr Dietz.

No but he did use the term soft line. IIRC Dietz opposed that term.

Apparently, Walters added parlay charts to his book and said there were situations where it was okay to use parlays. Obviously, he mentioned parlaying is bad when the math doesn't justify it due to bad odds, but who of us didn't know that?

There seemed to be some differences of opinions than that of Red's.

[mickeycrimm]

Let me take a guess here. Billy Waters constantly drops references to a man Mr Dietz.

No but he did use the term soft line. IIRC Dietz opposed that term.

Apparently, Walters added parlay charts to his book and said there were situations where it was okay to use parlays. Obviously, he mentioned parlaying is bad when the math doesn't justify it due to bad odds, but who of us didn't know that?

There seemed to be some differences of opinions than that of Red's.

In another podcast Fezzik told of exploiting parley cards because of stale lines on them.

[MDawg]

Passing this along from REDietz:

Here's a brilliant idea. Actually READ a book before commenting on it. Here's an idea not quite so brilliant -- thumb through and skim a book before commenting on it. But no -- too much work for a classic "AP" dude.

AxelWolf modus operandi -- read nothing, mention somebody else who read a book, have some pithy comments, and be completely wrong. Honestly, Axel, how do you manage to put your pants on?

What is the point of you posting? You just invent things out of thin air. You're more wrong about the Walters book than MDawg has been about anything. MDawg's tales can't really be stone cold disproven. Your Gambler comments are just flat-out wrong.

If you're going to opine about a book, at least read the fucking thing. Jesus Christ.

The thing about AWolf is he can't really read. Not well anyway. So he half reads and skims and then shoots from the hip, usually getting it wrong. It's laughable how off he is sometimes, and at WOV many laugh at him openly and shake their heads as they realize it's another conversation where AWolf is on a completely different page, Lost in Space.

[mickeycrimm]

Passing this along from REDietz:

Here's a brilliant idea. Actually READ a book before commenting on it. Here's an idea not quite so brilliant -- thumb through and skim a book before commenting on it. But no -- too much work for a classic "AP" dude.

AxelWolf modus operandi -- read nothing, mention somebody else who read a book, have some pithy comments, and be completely wrong. Honestly, Axel, how do you manage to put your pants on?

What is the point of you posting? You just invent things out of thin air. You're more wrong about the Walters book than MDawg has been about anything. MDawg's tales can't really be stone cold disproven. Your Gambler comments are just flat-out wrong.

If you're going to opine about a book, at least read the fucking thing. Jesus Christ.

The thing about AWolf is he can't really read. Not well anyway. So he half reads and skims and then shoots from the hip, usually getting it wrong. It's laughable how off he is sometimes, and at WOV many laugh at him openly and shake their heads as they realize it's another conversation where AWolf is on a completely different page, Lost in Space.

Redietz had to turn to outrageous name calling because he couldn't out argue axel on the facts. Ditz thinks that ridicule will somehow win the argument for him. But all it does is expose him as a loser.

[AxelWolf]

Passing this along from REDietz:

Here's a brilliant idea. Actually READ a book before commenting on it. Here's an idea not quite so brilliant -- thumb through and skim a book before commenting on it. But no -- too much work for a classic "AP" dude.

AxelWolf modus operandi -- read nothing, mention somebody else who read a book, have some pithy comments, and be completely wrong. Honestly, Axel, how do you manage to put your pants on?

What is the point of you posting? You just invent things out of thin air. You're more wrong about the Walters book than MDawg has been about anything. MDawg's tales can't really be stone cold disproven. Your Gambler comments are just flat-out wrong.

If you're going to opine about a book, at least read the fucking thing. Jesus Christ.

The thing about AWolf is he can't really read. Not well anyway. So he half reads and skims and then shoots from the hip, usually getting it wrong. It's laughable how off he is sometimes, and at WOV many laugh at him openly and shake their heads as they realize it's another conversation where AWolf is on a completely different page, Lost in Space.

I can read just fine, I choose to skim often because most of the stuff you and some other say is this complete unhelpful bullshit and nonsense.

Again, I will ask, and I will wait for an answer, and I will repeat the question. MDawg, other than Mike getting paid to referee your one small session where you pilfered free money from DarkOz. Give us some examples and legitimate references of people you have actually helped make any money or where you have given valuable information that people could actually use in a real-world situation.

I can feel proud and confident knowing that... I have, I can, and will actually add real monetary value and information to "the community"/ various members of the forums. I've helped people with plays, I have given people plays, I've invested in people, I've given information so people can make money, I've given people jobs, I have connected people with other people so they could make money, I have loaned people money when they needed it the most, and much more. What have you done, what have you added?

Listen, it's fun to argue and spar with you while pointing out that I think you're full of shit. I'm certain the picture you paint, the stories you tell, and the persona you want us to believe this complete bunk. I don't know exactly what you have going on, but I guarantee you it's not what you want us to believe, especially when it comes to all your winning and claims of riches... they are complete BS. I think you're a joke, I take nothing you say seriously. Obviously, I'm an idiot for wasting time and engaging with people like you and EvenBob. But hey, most of us all have stupid shit we like to do, this just happens to be one of mine.

[AxelWolf]

Passing this along from REDietz:

Here's a brilliant idea. Actually READ a book before commenting on it. Here's an idea not quite so brilliant -- thumb through and skim a book before commenting on it. But no -- too much work for a classic "AP" dude.

AxelWolf modus operandi -- read nothing, mention somebody else who read a book, have some pithy comments, and be completely wrong. Honestly, Axel, how do you manage to put your pants on?

What is the point of you posting? You just invent things out of thin air. You're more wrong about the Walters book than MDawg has been about anything. MDawg's tales can't really be stone cold disproven. Your Gambler comments are just flat-out wrong.

If you're going to opine about a book, at least read the fucking thing. Jesus Christ.

The thing about AWolf is he can't really read. Not well anyway. So he half reads and skims and then shoots from the hip, usually getting it wrong. It's laughable how off he is sometimes, and at WOV many laugh at him openly and shake their heads as they realize it's another conversation where AWolf is on a completely different page, Lost in Space.

Redietz had to turn to outrageous name calling because he couldn't out argue axel on the facts. Ditz thinks that ridicule will somehow win the argument for him. But all it does is expose him as a loser.

My modus operandi regarding the sports discussion has been voicing my opinion that you don't need to have years of experience and learn handicapping in order to make money in sports betting, I know for a fact that you need to know nothing about a particular Sport and you can still profit. I too would like to learn various different ways to make +EV sports bets.
Things such as halfsmoke's improvement on what Mike pointed out.

I'm no guru when it comes to sports betting. Overall I have done well either on my own pics(Heck, I showed proof I went 11 for 11 in the first two weeks, obviously that's meaningless, but of course when used with bonuses, it's certainly nice), or using others and various proven methods. I know what I know and I know what I don't know, I'm completely willing to admit that. I'm always open to learning, and I'm never stubborn or set in my own ways unless I'm 100% confident that's the correct way. I might not be great at sports betting or finding all these middles, soft/stale lines, correlated bets, and knowing the math behind all of that. For the most part, I know when something isn't right, or when something is, I can listen to someone for a few minutes and tell you if they're full of shit or not regarding +EV sports betting. And again, I say for the most part, it's not a perfect science, but that's obvious.

I have asked Redietz some good questions, sometimes tough ones related to his services, that he never responded to, quite a few if I remember correctly.

Red has/had the opportunity to add or teach us something we don't know or don't understand. I'm not sure why and when this all started, but he seems to have gone down a path declaring handicappers are better than/superior to Advantage Players interested in taking advantage of various angles in sports. We get this sense from him that Advantage Players should stay in their own lane as if we have nothing to contribute because we don't have 30 years of betting experience. It's as if he has become an anti-AP filling Mendelson's role.

He chastised Mike for making a parlay betting calculator as if it was a sin to do so. It's mind-boggling, I don't understand why creating any calculation tool is reprehensible.

He's chastised us for using common terms commonly used by other professional sports bettors. Some of those terms even his go-to guy(Billy Walters) uses himself.

Red can waste this time dueling with everyone on the forums and have that be his legacy or he can send out an olive branch and actually contribute some of his knowledge.

No, I haven't read Billy Walters's book. I have listened to and read some of his interviews. The more I read and the more I hear the more I like, this might be one of the rare times that I actually read a gambling book.

[accountinquestion]

Hard to not take shots at Redietz. He begs for it.

Presumably he is looking for investors at this book club thing. Maybe he just wants recognition. It is clear that either one would be motivation for him. Those gambling naive rubes at the book club might pony up a few contest buyins. But TBH getting investors for small tournament entries isn't a good look.

I played a high-limit game .. (green chip at least.. ) There were 3 serious bettors. They all talked about how hard it was to get money down. Typically if they can find a loser with a history then that is very valuable. They talked of knowing of a bookie named 'bubba' and they'd fly in to pickup/drop off cash around Arkansas. That is not Redietz's world.

Redietz literally ridicules the fact that people get limited for being too sharp. Is he really that naive?

The most telling of it all though? The fact that he seems to look for investors and never a beard.

His reason for using his name? For a movie deal or somesuch? Can you imagine? You can't win enough gambling. You're past retirement age. Yet there you are, trying to get a movie deal. It really just smacks of desperation.

I agree about reading Billy's book but if you confront Redietz about anything he just goes to crickets mode. He is so shameless.

Axel - I don't think Redietz has any knowledge to contribute. He can talk a good game about football. I truly believe he is an expert in that area but i don't know if that expertise ever translated into being a winning cash betting sports bettor. Nah, all contests. Just like how really really good poker players often won't touch tournaments. They play cash games only. Tournaments are a waste of time. Redietz is that tournament guy for life.