Originally Posted by
kewlJ
Originally Posted by
AxelWolf
He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.
Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do
anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.
I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.
Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the
"my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.
Chill RE Dude!
What I have difficulty with:
1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.
2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.
3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.
4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.