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  1. #3301
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.
    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

    That is Penn State Strong.

    Of course, I'm not The Riddler. I don't have his poetic abilities.

    The Riddler has

    1) Won more money for people on this forum than Kewlj.
    2) Demonstrated more gambling expertise on this forum than KewlJ.
    3) Told fewer lies than KewlJ.
    4) LOL -- Has provided about as much Las Vegas detail as KewlJ (in other words, none).

    I don't see how you can argue the fact that The Riddler has contributed WAAAYYY more to this forum than the Kewlj(s). I mean, somebody start up a poll. Who's done more gambling-good for VCT readers, The Riddler or the KewlJ(s)?

  2. #3302
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.
    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?

    That is Penn State Strong.

    Of course, I'm not The Riddler. I don't have his poetic abilities.

    The Riddler has

    1) Won more money for people on this forum than Kewlj.
    2) Demonstrated more gambling expertise on this forum than KewlJ.
    3) Told fewer lies than KewlJ.
    4) LOL -- Has provided about as much Las Vegas detail as KewlJ (in other words, none).

    I don't see how you can argue the fact that The Riddler has contributed WAAAYYY more to this forum than the Kewlj(s). I mean, somebody start up a poll. Who's done more gambling-good for VCT readers, The Riddler or the KewlJ(s)?
    You're out of your fucking mind mate on all accounts.
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  3. #3303
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.
    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

  4. #3304
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.
    Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

    I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

    Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

    Chill RE Dude!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  5. #3305
    Originally Posted by MDawg View Post
    UNKewlJ has remained consistent in being
    Originally Posted by Dan Druff View Post
    the king of lying
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  6. #3306
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.
    Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

    I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

    Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

    Chill RE Dude!

    What I have difficulty with:

    1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

    2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

    3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

    4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.
    Last edited by redietz; 01-31-2025 at 09:56 PM.

  7. #3307
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post

    So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.
    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

    KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

    I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."

    And yes, MDawg, quote me on that.
    Last edited by redietz; 01-31-2025 at 09:57 PM.

  8. #3308
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

    KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

    I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."
    Ok, I gotta make this quick, because I am heading out to to play. I got the information about Red's degree from a page that he set up on a website.

    The post above that is just more of the same. Red feeling insecure and I guess threatened by anyone doing anything with sports betting. get over it man...really!
    Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".

  9. #3309
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    You have a degree in English Language and Literature, and this riddler stuff is what you come up with?
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.

    KewlJ got the degree wrong, as per usual. One thing Axelwolf and KewlJ have in common -- they don't double-check things to get details correct before they commit words to the screen.

    I imagine that kind of sloppy accounting and sloppy memory comes in useful as an "AP."

    And yes, MDawg, quote me on that.
    I didn't commit to anything here, I asked if it were true. Are you college-educated in any area? If so, see above.

  10. #3310
    Originally Posted by MDawg
    A high pitched soft whine, ever rising in frequency and volume.
    I tell you it’s wonderful to be here, man. I don’t give a damn who wins or loses. It’s just wonderful to be here with you people.

    MDawg Adventures carry on at: https://www.truepassage.com/forums/f.../46-IPlayVegas

  11. #3311
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    .
    he did about 64% for about 200 games (slightly less than 200 but slightly more than 64%)

    I asked google what is the chance of flipping heads 64% of the time in 200 flips

    the answer came back - 0.00004 or four one hundredths of 1%

    so, it is possible it could be done with extreme luck - but not likely - most likely skill
    .
    That’s 4 1/1000ths of 1%. Or 1 in 25,000 chance.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  12. #3312
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Methinks the kewlJs are annoyed that I am on to them.
    You are on to NOTHING, dude, except you have jumped onto the troll bandwagon with Singer, Dawg, Belly. That is some company you are keeping.

    As for your taxes, it wasn't me that looked up and exposed your tax situation. It was belly. I would ask him if you are unsure what you owe. But let's see, did property value of the shack go up this year? Did you make improvements? add electricity or running water?

    So are you gonna email The Riddler? He's hot -- not just winning money, but hot in general. Kind of a cross between Eastwood and Schwarzenegger, but young enough to really please somebody with a limber jaw.
    Shack has beat the Super Bowl 7. Years. In. A. Row. Phenomenal! Right?
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  13. #3313
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.
    Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

    I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

    Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

    Chill RE Dude!

    What I have difficulty with:

    1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

    2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

    3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

    4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.
    One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

    Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. But he was a life long loser to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream.

    Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

    I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on somethings. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  14. #3314
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    He does? Well, it makes sense now. He must be irate that some under-educated, no-college kid like Axel came to Vegas with $300 bucks in his pocket and by the time that kid is 25 he is making more money via all-around Pro Gambling than Red is even without years of education and focused mastery of only one sport that requires investors and constant self-record touting just to stay afloat.
    Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

    I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

    Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

    Chill RE Dude!

    What I have difficulty with:

    1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

    2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

    3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

    4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.
    One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

    Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He was a compulsive gambler. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. Then he would dump the money to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream. He could never keep a bankroll.

    Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He was a big time sports betting loser too. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

    I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on some things. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.

    Redietz doesn't know this but years ago Dancer replaced Frank Kneeland on GWAE because Kneeland was expert only in video poker. Dancer wanted people that were experts on multiple games. Much to redietz' chagrin, Munchkin is expert on multiple games.
    Last edited by mickeycrimm; 02-01-2025 at 01:51 AM.
    Challenge to redietz. We bet every NFL regular season game. You make the picks. If you lay the fav I get 2 extra points. If you take the dog I get a 2 point discount. Easy pickings for you.

  15. #3315
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    .
    "playyourcardsright" won the WOV NFL picks contest going 67-31 - 68.4% -

    I don't recall ever seeing anyone get that high a % with that many picks - just short of 100

    I thought it might just be luck so I checked out what he did the previous season - he just missed winning that one with 60.4%

    edit - I just looked at the 2022 season and he was only at 50% for that one

    so either he improved a lot or he got very, very lucky for 2 straight years

    .
    Did you look to see if there was any indication of how or why he was making certain picks? Was he leaning toward stale lines type of situations? Perhaps he was using unabated and similar types of modern-day technology.
    everybody used the same lines which were posted on Thursdays from vegasinsider.com -

    so they could have been stale - the lines he bet into could have been better or worse for him than the lines just before game time

    he could have chosen to bet only on the better lines - but I doubt that would be a winning strategy - all of the other contestants could have done that too

    as to whether or not he was using some tout or service - idk - anyway - I doubt that any tout service would realize the % that he got


    .
    Last edited by Half Smoke; 02-01-2025 at 07:22 AM.
    the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him

  16. #3316
    Another thing that is so telling is how he mocks the idea of "weak lines". An inefficient market. However you wish to look at it.

    Yet this is a necessity for both handicappers and APs. That whole youtube clip in Colorado was based on this.

    Then you have bonuses of various sorts that can be used but everything else depends on an inefficient market. Finding those inefficiencies is all that APs do sans bonuses.

    So without those "weak lines" APs don't fuck with it.

    Likewise ATS means relatively little in and of itself because we don't know how effecient that spread was. Ok, there is some standard set of lines but so? You need against what spread. Beating Pinnacle for 65% and get back to me and even then their spread is also shaded by the prices on both side. So this is where stats come into play yet again go give you the actual values and the prices being so different on different sides means their spread is... not what it may seem like.

  17. #3317
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Not exactly. Red was ok with all AP's, you me, mickeycrimm, ect, until we all started making a couple bucks off sports betting. How dare we do anything with sports betting....that is his turf! That is when he turned and started attacking APs. First, Mickeycrimm and him getting Social Security (as if he somehow isn't entitled to it) and then you and I and all this "Leonardo daVinci-AP" shit.

    I have said this before. If Red has made money, made a living involved in sports betting for 40 years...good for him. Weird that he doesn't understand EV and wanting to remain anonymous at the casinos, who by my understanding try to stop sports bettors too. But...good for him.

    Some of the contests and stuff he did, seems a little outdated, but that is ok. If he needs to give himself a little pat on the back about it, that is ok too. But stop with the "my way is the only way" and anybody else making a freaking buck off sports betting is somehow moving in on his territory.

    Chill RE Dude!

    What I have difficulty with:

    1) Folks who, outside of arbitrage, middles-shooting, and bonuses -- which are fine arrows in a "sports betting" quiver -- think they can out-expertise actual sports bettors, who generally do NOT venture much outside their sport of expertise. Have you read none of the classic sports betting books from Huntington Press? The biographies? There are really no jacks-of-all-trades in "sports betting." The funny thing about this is that these two are arguing that I'm dated, while the idea that one person can tackle multiple sports is actually the dated theme, straight out of the 70's and 80's.

    2) Folks who think being able to anticipate line moves in different sports is something they can do without intimately knowing either the sports or the public betting the sports.

    3) Folks who tell stories to themselves without third-party verification. This is the primary difference between handicappers and the APs claiming to be handicappers. The handicappers' ATS records, including middles-shooting and arbitrage, can be tracked, monitored, and verified via monitoring records, client records, and contest records. The "APs" claims to winning can be verified because they say so. These are two entirely different ways of establishing reality. You can either be publicly tracked, like say, oh, The Riddler, or you can be a heroic winner because you say so, like Axelwolf or kewlJ.

    4) Do you geniuses actually think, coming from AP-land, that you have access to more wisdom, more expertise, and more angles than people like Phil Ivey or Bob Dancer, who have crashed and burned sports betting? Is that your argument? That you are better bettors than Ungar or Ivey or Dancer? That you bring more to the table than these people? More expertise, more brainpower, more contacts? Pardon the guffaws.
    One thing about redietz is he don't double-check things to get details correct before he commits words to the screen.

    Unger is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He was a compulsive gambler. He could beat tournament poker and gin rummy. Then he would dump the money to live poker, horse racing, blackjack and sports betting. In the NFL he bet every game every week. A bookie's dream. He could never keep a bankroll.

    Ivey is a piss poor example of expertise and brainpower. He's a compulsive gambler that loses to everything but poker. He generally couldn't make it past the craps table on his way from the poker room. He was a big time sports betting loser too. He would dump his poker winnings and more. He was not an expert in edge sorting. He was convinced by those in the know to use a professional edge sorter.

    I don't know that Bob Dancer quit sports betting altogether. I know that he got caught in the losing streak on safeties in the Super Bowl with Shack and that soured him on some things. But his long running partner, Richard Munchkin, recently moved into sports betting and as I've heard he is doing pretty good with it.

    Redietz doesn't know this but years ago Dancer replaced Frank Kneeland on GWAE because Kneeland was expert only in video poker. Dancer wanted people that were experts on multiple games. Much to redietz' chagrin, Munchkin is expert on multiple games.
    FYI it was Fankie who started the show and brought on Dancer.

    Take this for what it's worth since it is hearsay.

    Several of Fanky's confidants were very angry with Bob and they claimed Bob pushed Franki out and took over the show.

  18. #3318
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    FYI it was Fankie who started the show and brought on Dancer.

    Take this for what it's worth since it is hearsay.

    Several of Fanky's confidants were very angry with Bob and they claimed Bob pushed Franki out and took over the show.
    I voted for Frank as the AP Most Likely to Retweet Neil deGrasse Tyson.
    Finish what you

  19. #3319
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by Half Smoke View Post
    .
    "playyourcardsright" won the WOV NFL picks contest going 67-31 - 68.4% -

    I don't recall ever seeing anyone get that high a % with that many picks - just short of 100

    I thought it might just be luck so I checked out what he did the previous season - he just missed winning that one with 60.4%

    edit - I just looked at the 2022 season and he was only at 50% for that one

    so either he improved a lot or he got very, very lucky for 2 straight years

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    Did you look to see if there was any indication of how or why he was making certain picks? Was he leaning toward stale lines type of situations? Perhaps he was using unabated and similar types of modern-day technology.
    everybody used the same lines which were posted on Thursdays from vegasinsider.com -

    so they could have been stale - the lines he bet into could have been better or worse for him than the lines just before game time

    he could have chosen to bet only on the better lines - but I doubt that would be a winning strategy - all of the other contestants could have done that too

    as to whether or not he was using some tout or service - idk - anyway - I doubt that any tout service would realize the % that he got


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    No one smart is using tout services. One would have to go back and look at all his contest picks over all the seasons he entered and see what his overall percentage is.

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    What's hilarious is that he preaches about some guy in some court saying that Parlays are for suckers.
    In his next sentence he tells everyone how he beat some Teaser or Future and Hedged the bet.
    LOL... Parlays are the Devil.
    If you want to make real money you need to bet Teasers, Futures and get into devaluing your bets with Hedging so you can lock up some cash!
    Or you have two other options to beat the book.
    1. You can have some Slant Eyed Slope who never misses on Horse or Football Picks
    2. Start up some Integrity Touting Service and Rape the Suckers lol.

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