I have tried to stay out of the jist of this "fight", because sports betting is not my field. I do a small amount for entertainment. But I have seen Red, multiple times now, talk about AP's who claim significant winning via sports betting. Who are we talking about here?
Most AP's making a living, that I am aware of have their hand in numerous, some
many different things to make their money and a living. Even lowly old me, who is considered a one-trick pony in the AP community, have done a number of different things.
So on this forum, we have a number of members that publicly make some sports picks, starting with Dan Druff, but also Monet, Dannyj, I don't know, maybe one or two other. I don't think any of these people have claimed to be making a living via their sports betting picks or play have they? Druff obviously does other things including poker. Monet once disputed when I even called him and AP or playing with an advantage.
We have had people like Axelwolf, and maybe there are others in this boat that have casually mentioned some sports betting play based on math type stuff, including bonuses available. But Axelwolf isn't claiming that is how he makes a living. He is a perfect example of a well rounded AP. He probably has a hand in many different things every year and over the years.
So who are these AP's that claim they make a living or even significant money using math as +EV that Red is so wound up about? Is it another forum, like LVA that I don't read?
Mickey is pulling up names of I guess known sportsbetters, (unknown to me). Do they call themselves AP's?
I am just not sure what this arguement is really about?
In this day and age, with all the online sportsbook and even some brick and mortar sportsbook offering all these bonuses, a player certainly could be +EV and make money just by playing the boneses. Even I do a little bit of that. Not enough to make me anywhere close to a winner.
I can think of one AP, or guy that labeled himself an AP from these forums, passed away in the last year, that claimed he made a living from blackjack play and sports betting. I challenged his blackjack claim part but no one said anything about his sports betting part, including redietz who was on at least 3 forums with the guys for several years.
So who the freak are we talking about here that has redietz so riled that he is repeatedly mocking AP's that claim to be winning sport better for a living or at significant levels?