Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
Originally Posted by redietz View Post
Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
So we have this thread over in the sports section started by redietz a couple of years ago on "do not bet parlays." Here's the link:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ot-Bet-Parlays

I just found this 18 minute video of VSIN interviewing South Pointe sportsbook manager Chris Andrews. Andrews explains that his reason for banning Fezzik was he was always trying to get in more action on parlay cards that Andrews wanted.

Andrews talked about Fezzik betting parlay cards, not parlays off the board. And he referred to "dead numbers." I'm not sure but I think it means numbers that don't move. The numbers on parlay cards don't move.

I'm trying to guess what Fezzik was doing. In the books I'm familiar with the football parlay cards come out on Wednesday. I've been told this is so the numbers get hammered into place before the cards are printed. But it's 3 or 4 days to game time depending on college or NFL. Plenty of time for lines to move on the board. I think Fezzik is exploiting the line moves on the board. Similar to steam betting. If the line was -3 on Wednesday but moves to -4 a couple days later I think he takes the -3 on the parlay card. Something like that. Anyone else have an opinion?

Here's the 18 minute video:


Good Lord, man. What Fezzik's doing was being done 40 years ago. On this forum, I actually laid this out years ago.

I detailed my issues with The Stardust manager at the time, who followed me from window to window to make sure the $50 parlay card limit was enforced regarding me. And I was just doing it to kill time because I had to hold my seat for two to three hours before Saturday kickoffs. There were crews who went Boyd to Boyd to max bet the cards with various lineups. I wasn't trying to clobber anyone; I was (as the guy with the bottles on his fingers says in The Warriors) just having a good time.

I described all of this years ago on this very forum.

You guys are wild. Why do you think, when I put down parlay betting, I carefully describe off-the-board parlay betting as the problem with the use of parlay calculators? And I make exception for parlay card, frozen number, time-staggered betting?

Mickey, if you haven't been paying attention, it's really not my responsibility.

This is why asking questions of somebody who knows what they're talking about tends to be a positive thing.

And in case you haven't figured it out, choosing games that are staggered in time provides the maximum flexibility. You can hedge or middle shoot with impunity while knowing your flow chart situation.

This is retro stuff. It was being hammered to the max 40 years ago. This is what I mean when I say there was an entire massive sports gambling culture that you folks really have no sense of, and that culture has been doing just about everything you describe for decades and decades. You just haven't been paying attention. You think it's some moderne AP shit. LOL. You're behind the times, not ahead, guys.

God, and the talk of trends (blah, blah, 53.8% betting road dogs by Shackleford for such-and-such). After the fact trends are, well, people have been using programs to data mine trends for 30-some years. Programs were running 24/7 for every sport decades ago. The national newsletter I was in for years, PlayBook, was famous for highlighting trends.

McCusker referred to handicappers who relied heavily on such things as "trendsvestites." He coined that phrase in the 80's.

What annoys me most is that I told that Stardust parlay card story multiple times on this forum spread over years, and now it's being presented as evidence of some nouveau AP angle. I also said that as sports betting spread, alleged "APs" were going to try to claim magical expertise and new techniques. What's they're doing, however, is largely old hat, given some super-powers via transient promotions and bonuses. The stuff is old as the hills, and it was old school handicappers who originally exploited it.

I’m in hickory NC then off to Bristol come learn something Fraudulent mob guy

Just tell me where and when in Bristol. If it doesn't overlap with the XFL, I'll wander on up. If I autograph a book, do you want "To Seed" or "To Mr. Value?"

I'm no mob guy. I've just been around long enough to have seen a few things. Always helpful to have stayed next to the Stardust during the Lefty Rosenthal days. I lived three months during football season at the Convention Center Lodge for two or three years, and also spent two seasons directly behind the Stardust at the massive Budget Suites, which you would have appreciated as half the residents were girls working the clubs on Industrial. The pool and the workout room were quite a sight.