Professional Sportsbetting

[redietz]

Seriously, Half-Smoke, it's sad if Shackleford does some ATS analyses, and somehow doesn't mention the dozens of other people and published sources who have been doing it for 30 years. I can almost guarantee that whatever Shackleford publishes had been examined previously by someone on the Playbook staff, for example. And Playbook isn't necessarily the most sophisticated group of analysts doing this stuff. They may cumulatively have the most experience, but there are other heavy hitters out there.

I mean, c'mon, put Shackleford in some perspective. He's great at what he does, but is he even qualified to teach a doctoral candidate math? Is he a programmer? There are oodles of programmers working on this 24/7. Walters, in his book, brags a bit about hiring the best of 80 applicants to be his current lead programmer.

[Half Smoke]

There are literally dozens of people tracking all results 24/7 for all sports. There are hundreds of people, at a minimum, tracking all NFL results.

I'm not posting about what dozens of other people done - posters here are not familiar with that

I'm posting about what Mike did and that is what people posting here refer to - one of the sites they visit

I'm comparing what you've offered to what he's offered

and you've offered nothing of value

nothing other than blowing your horn about your contest performances that benefits nobody and that nobody cares about

not one single thing that would benefit anybody

worthless posts

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[redietz]

There are literally dozens of people tracking all results 24/7 for all sports. There are hundreds of people, at a minimum, tracking all NFL results.

I'm not posting about what dozens of other people done - posters here are not familiar with that

I'm posting about what Mike did and that is what people posting here refer to - one of the sites they visit

I'm comparing what you've offered to what he's offered

and you've offered nothing of value

nothing other than blowing your horn about your contest performances that benefits nobody and that nobody cares about

not one single thing that would benefit anybody

worthless posts

.

LOL. So the fact that what Shackleford did and bragged on has been done for 30 years by dozens and you can access similar, far-ranging info at specific sites from specific people . . . that info, and the naming of sites and people, has no value to you and others?

If you say so, brother.

[Half Smoke]

LOL. So the fact that what Shackleford did and bragged on has been done for 30 years by dozens and you can access similar, far-ranging info at specific sites from specific people . . . that info, and the naming of sites and people, has no value to you and others?

If you say so, brother.

and what can you say that has ever benefitted anybody here

nothing at all______

please - tell everybody some more about your contest wins

and btw - a google search of Robert Dietz and Bob Dietz and Redietz came up empty except for posts on gambling forums such as this one and gamblingforums.com

for being such a great handicapper - google has never heard of you - kind of surprising___________________LOL




and one more thing

you posted that Mike bragged about his NFL tracking

on the page he states that he got the info from "Australia Sports Betting"

I'd like to see you post him bragging

I had to find that stuff by searching - I never saw anybody other than myself comment on it -

I think you made that up - prove me wrong and show the post where he bragged about it

not gonna happen



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[smurgerburger]

Redietz you're like a teenager. Nobody cares that you were listening to some band before they were cool. It doesn't make you special...just let it go.

[redietz]

LOL. So the fact that what Shackleford did and bragged on has been done for 30 years by dozens and you can access similar, far-ranging info at specific sites from specific people . . . that info, and the naming of sites and people, has no value to you and others?

If you say so, brother.

and what can you say that has ever benefitted anybody here

nothing at all______

please - tell everybody some more about your contest wins

and btw - a google search of Robert Dietz and Bob Dietz and Redietz came up empty except for posts on gambling forums such as this one and gamblingforums.com

for being such a great handicapper - google has never heard of you - kind of surprising___________________LOL




and one more thing

you posted that Mike bragged about his NFL tracking

on the page he states that he got the info from "Australia Sports Betting"

I'd like to see you post him bragging

I had to find that stuff by searching - I never saw anybody other than myself comment on it -

I think you made that up - prove me wrong and show the post where he bragged about it

not gonna happen



.

Half Smoke comes on here, mentions Shackleford benefitting him by providing ATS angles. I mention that hundreds, if not thousands of such angles for multiple sports are available at Playbook and through Marc Lawrence and others and have been for 30 years. Half Smoke finds that information of no value. I make fun of him for liking the Shackleford info and mentioning it as valuable, but not liking the fact that I just provided sources where he can get hundreds of such angles.

Half Smoke fails to see the absurdity of his position.

Meanwhile, in terms of practical instruction, I think the best little posts of value I provided had to do with the very practical elements of shopping for sports futures in Las Vegas. When Alan ran this place, I did expansive instruction summaries, including where to park and where to drive in what order. Afterwards, I did much briefer summaries like this one:

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...ures+Las+Vegas

Of course, I provided such helpful posts back before the all-knowing APs invaded this place. I figure -- they are APs -- I'm sure they know all these things already.

And I also try to entertain a little bit:

https://theskepticalgambler.blogspot...nd-edmund.html

[Rob.Singer]

If you could beat sports consistently for years there's no reason you would want investors.

This is the same point I made multiple times to the sports betting hacks who said they were redietz and/or contacting me on behalf of their associate redietz, asking for money. It was met with disdain, and the usual name-calling.

[jbjb]

If you could beat sports consistently for years there's no reason you would want investors.

This is the same point I made multiple times to the sports betting hacks who said they were redietz and/or contacting me on behalf of their associate redietz, asking for money. It was met with disdain, and the usual name-calling.

Same thing for poker "pros".

[cyberbabble]

reditz,

All you have to do is give us a few college football picks each week. The season is only about half over. You have plenty of time to prove you can do it.

you have a better chance of witnessing a miracle than there is of that happening

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He has been asked this before and he says that it's not fair to his investors.

Very understandable. If he posted publicly there would be so much money coming in on his pick that it would move the line within minutes. His investors wouldn't be able to get their bets down at a good number.

[kewlJ]

I still believe Redeitz supported himself and made a living for many year (decades) through sports betting. But he has a real problem with anyone else that currently or has ever been successful and made money with sports betting. You see it when he tears down other known sports bettors. You see it when he tears into advantage players that are doing something to play at an advantage and win through sports betting. He just doesn't like that other people can and have made money doing things involving sports betting. ONLY HIM.

Michael Shackleford is an advantage player. I don't know what kind of money he made or makes from it or whether it has ever been his primary source of income. I haven't seen where he has shared that kind of information. But he is an advantage player. Everything he does, every wager he makes, is done so at an advantage. He may not win that particular wager or play, but he has done the math and was at an advantage.

Redietz now doesn't like that Shackleford does and has done some things involving sports betting. How dare he or any AP thing they can do something in his arena. So Redietz is now trying to discredit Shackleford just as he does other AP's and other sports bettor. Only Redietz can and has ever made money sports betting. That is his narrative.

Just get over it Red. There are more opportunities than ever involving sports betting. And anything that anyone else, even APs are doing has no bearing or reflection on what you did or are doing. It doesn't dimish what you accomplished.

[redietz]

I just did a public presentation on Billy Walters, who is worth somewhere around 200 million, and KewlJ is going to say that I don't think other people win.

Kewlj does as KewlJ is. He lies.

KewlJ, your post -- as usual -- is all bullshit. Half Smoke said Shackleford's listing of NFL ATS angles was useful. I pointed out that the same kinds of stuff have been available for decades and the results, which span years and thousands of angles, are available on various sites, one of which I named. And I named a publication that specializes in these kinds of ATS angles.

I never said I used any of them. I certainly never took credit for any of them. And I didn't say one negative thing about Playbook or its roster of handicappers. If "that is his narrative" is true, that must have been a body double giving my presentation about Walters' book the other day. Oh wait, you never asked me if I'm the only person making money sports betting. LOL. KewlJ, where do you get this stuff? You are a liar. You lie about everything. There's not a line in the above post that would pass factual muster. It's comical. In response to one of your previous posts, I answered you that there are college hoops savants and programmers who win. I don't handicap college hoops. I don't know college hoops. It would be like a foot doctor trying to do brain surgery.

Here's some advice. Try getting through a month without lying online.




And yes, MDawg, you can quote me on this.

[kewlJ]

Dude STOP with the fucking Billy Walters shit!! You are not fucking Billy Walters. You are hanging your hat on some sort of association where you were a runner for a couple months. Books and seminars, in Johnson "bubblefuck" city no less. Pay you tax bill and get on with life.

[mickeycrimm]

He has been asked this before and he says that it's not fair to his investors.

nothing that he has ever posted here - or anywhere else that I've seen - has been even remotely close to being as valuable as Mike's tracking of NFL results -

and Mike isn't even a sports guy


https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/nfl/


kinna annoying watching a guy continually blow his own horn who has offered so little

I can't recall even one thing he posted that I would consider helpful in making a pick

in fairness - maybe there have been some helpful posts - but I somehow missed them


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You've gotta be kidding. There are literally dozens of people tracking all results 24/7 for all sports. There are hundreds of people, at a minimum, tracking all NFL results.

This has been going on for 30 years.

Have you never read a Playbook? It's been publishing for 30-some years. Jesus, man, it's one of the (if not THE) biggest selling combo college football/NFL preseason magazine published in this country. It's entirely historical ATS angles. The magazine itself usually lists the last five years of this and that, but if you access their online material, it goes back forever. They publish an online newsletter weekly.

It would not have occurred to me that simple tracking of some NFL angles would be so valuable to some. It's a little bit funny, the fact that people don't know this stuff. I guess Shackleford does, and he doesn't bother to mention Playbook or other ATS publications to his readers, which is even funnier. And his readers then think Shackleford is doing unique analyses.

Yeah, okay. You realize Billy Walters, toting $200 million for the last 30 years, could hire whoever he wanted? He hired dozens of programmers and experts, but Shackleford was not on that list.

If you do not know what I just wrote, then you are commenting on things you know nothing about. Why do that? Why declare things and opine when you know nothing?

If you don't know that historically the NFL is the toughest nut to crack in terms of profits and should be your last port in a gambling storm, well, you should attend a book club once in awhile.

This is what I find so absurd. People who do not know or grasp basic historical information go around commenting about things they know nothing about. Like AP Mickey -- spent post after post saying middles shooting to work off bonuses was a waste of time and blah, blah. Then he actually looked at it and had a hallelujah moment. I can't believe he didn't look at it before. Why do you think I was stunned that KewlJ didn't pivot (once he was up 25 games) to the middles shooting? I presumed this stuff was obvious and everybody had some kind of handle on it.

It's strange. People who count cards for a living, or exploit machines, don't know these things. It's like finding out that your auto mechanic doesn't know how to use a microwave.

This post here by ditz is the reason no one respects him. The whole thing is "you stupid motherfuckers!" That's been his schtick for quite awhile. Everyone is stupid except him. Who the fuck can teach anybody anything with that style. Can you imagine a school teacher with that style? They wouldn't last a week in any school.

Here's what ditz would be like as a school teacher. He tells a kid to spell "any."
The kid spells it "eny."
Ditz: "Jesus Christ, kid! Have you never read a dictionary? Can't you spell a simple word? If you can't spell it correctly then why spell it at all. You are trying to write a word you know nothing about! You should just quit writing until you learn to spell!"

Ditz would be the worst teacher in any school because he has classic malignant narcissism.

[cyberbabble]

A few posts up you were saying how APs shouldn't be wasting their time using middles shooting as a way to work off bonuses. Now you're into it. LOL. I get a kick out of you. You think you discovered something? C'mon, man. This is all SOP. It is truly bizarre that you think you are brightest bulb in the universe.

Just because you're being a maroon, I'll not post what sports should be utilized when for optimal middles shooting. Blame yourself, mick. I suspect you'll be using the least efficient sport. Good luck with that.

Lunch next week will feature some debunking of the Walters how-to chapters -- what he has right, what he has wrong. Why the chapters' context is faulty, which is why he probably included them. He knew, of course. A little bit of math will be involved, which is fine since folks who taught college stats will be at the lunch. I'll post the location in case you can make it.

Have a good one.

Careful Mickey. He called you a maroon. That's a serious insult in the hills of eastern Tennessee. If you get redietz too upset he will send his Mafia girlfriend to get you.

[kewlJ]

Redietz has NEVER been interested in teaching anybody anything or sharing anything that could possibly help or benefit anyone. And I can't say too much about that because there are a lot of APs that feel and do the same.

So I never had too much problem with Red, occasionally blowing his own horn. Anybody that has made a living and supported themselves off casinos, has a right to do that to some extent.

But lately what has become obvious to me, is how much Red despises anyone else, that has done this. It has sort of been obvious for a while that he didn't like APs. But now with some APs doing some advantage plays involving sports betting, Red has just gone berserk. It's like he thinks sports betting is HIS territory and no one else has a right. I guess he feels threatened that other people, APs have found ways to make money betting sports.

He is just coming across really bad.

[mickeycrimm]

This is what I find so absurd. People who do not know or grasp basic historical information go around commenting about things they know nothing about. Like AP Mickey -- spent post after post saying middles shooting to work off bonuses was a waste of time and blah, blah. Then he actually looked at it and had a hallelujah moment. I can't believe he didn't look at it before. Why do you think I was stunned that KewlJ didn't pivot (once he was up 25 games) to the middles shooting? I presumed this stuff was obvious and everybody had some kind of handle on it. It's strange. People who count cards for a living, or exploit machines, don't know these things. It's like finding out that your auto mechanic doesn't know how to use a microwave.

DITZ is a LYING LIAR. I never said looking for middles (positive middles) is a waste of time. I said it could be to time consuming for an AP who has other irons in the fire. Now, for someone like broke ass Ditz, who lolligags around all day probably has plenty of time to look for middles.

But we were talking positive middles. Negative middles cost money. I just pointed out that a person could do it if they wanted to save time and didn't mind the cost. But leave it up to compulsive liar ditz to turn it into something else.

Ditz has gone overboard with the lying. He wants to get digs in so he will conjure up any kind of half-truth or disinformation he can in that effort. He's reached the point where he would rather climb to the top of tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth.

Oh, and ditz, what the fuck are you doing commenting about card counting and exploiting machines. You don't know anything about it so keep your ignorant mouth shut about it. Jesus Christ, man! Why do you run your mouth about something you know nothing about?

[kewlJ]

If you get redietz too upset he will send his Mafia girlfriend to get you.

Yeah, he has always had these strange little side stories, where he drops name or occupations. My friend's wife runs this, or my brother-inlaw does that. A lot of them involved Penn State. I am not too concerned with that nonsense.

[mickeycrimm]

LOL. So the fact that what Shackleford did and bragged on has been done for 30 years by dozens and you can access similar, far-ranging info at specific sites from specific people . . . that info, and the naming of sites and people, has no value to you and others?If you say so, brother.

Sure, other sites probably have sportsbetting statistics out the ass. What you are saying is this is common information.

But Shackleford has volumes of information on his site that is not available on any other site in the world. One just needs to look at all the gambling games he's analyzed mathematically.

For overall gambling math Shack will run circles around any statistics guy you know, ditz. There is no comparison.

There are hundreds of games on his site. Nothing like it anywhere else in the world.

Here's his list of games:

https://wizardofodds.com/games/

PS Shack is a programmer.

[accountinquestion]

He has been asked this before and he says that it's not fair to his investors.

nothing that he has ever posted here - or anywhere else that I've seen - has been even remotely close to being as valuable as Mike's tracking of NFL results -

and Mike isn't even a sports guy


https://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/nfl/


kinna annoying watching a guy continually blow his own horn who has offered so little

I can't recall even one thing he posted that I would consider helpful in making a pick

in fairness - maybe there have been some helpful posts - but I somehow missed them


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You've gotta be kidding. There are literally dozens of people tracking all results 24/7 for all sports. There are hundreds of people, at a minimum, tracking all NFL results.

This has been going on for 30 years.

Have you never read a Playbook? It's been publishing for 30-some years. Jesus, man, it's one of the (if not THE) biggest selling combo college football/NFL preseason magazine published in this country. It's entirely historical ATS angles. The magazine itself usually lists the last five years of this and that, but if you access their online material, it goes back forever. They publish an online newsletter weekly.

It would not have occurred to me that simple tracking of some NFL angles would be so valuable to some. It's a little bit funny, the fact that people don't know this stuff. I guess Shackleford does, and he doesn't bother to mention Playbook or other ATS publications to his readers, which is even funnier. And his readers then think Shackleford is doing unique analyses.

Yeah, okay. You realize Billy Walters, toting $200 million for the last 30 years, could hire whoever he wanted? He hired dozens of programmers and experts, but Shackleford was not on that list.

If you do not know what I just wrote, then you are commenting on things you know nothing about. Why do that? Why declare things and opine when you know nothing?
Why do you think I was stunned that KewlJ didn't pivot (once he was up 25 games) to the middles shooting? I presumed this stuff was obvious and everybody had some kind of handle on it.

If you don't know that historically the NFL is the toughest nut to crack in terms of profits and should be your last port in a gambling storm, well, you should attend a book club once in awhile.

This is what I find so absurd. People who do not know or grasp basic historical information go around commenting about things they know nothing about. Like AP Mickey -- spent post after post saying middles shooting to work off bonuses was a waste of time and blah, blah. Then he actually looked at it and had a hallelujah moment. I can't believe he didn't look at it before.
It's strange. People who count cards for a living, or exploit machines, don't know these things. It's like finding out that your auto mechanic doesn't know how to use a microwave.

lol just to be clear for people who might happen to be confused enough to believe that Redietz might kinda somewhat know what he is talking about. His point here is about "middles shooting". The only middle you are shooting for in Mickey's case is a push for 0. lol.

this redietz guy is clowntastic.

Clearly the best sport to utilize middles in this the sport where bets are most often pushed when utilizing what Mickey says.

[accountinquestion]

A few posts up you were saying how APs shouldn't be wasting their time using middles shooting as a way to work off bonuses. Now you're into it. LOL. I get a kick out of you. You think you discovered something? C'mon, man. This is all SOP. It is truly bizarre that you think you are brightest bulb in the universe.

Just because you're being a maroon, I'll not post what sports should be utilized when for optimal middles shooting. Blame yourself, mick. I suspect you'll be using the least efficient sport. Good luck with that.

Lunch next week will feature some debunking of the Walters how-to chapters -- what he has right, what he has wrong. Why the chapters' context is faulty, which is why he probably included them. He knew, of course. A little bit of math will be involved, which is fine since folks who taught college stats will be at the lunch. I'll post the location in case you can make it.

Have a good one.

Careful Mickey. He called you a maroon. That's a serious insult in the hills of eastern Tennessee. If you get redietz too upset he will send his Mafia girlfriend to get you.

And she will bring her inflatable sex doll.