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  1. #321
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.
    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.
    I am sorry to hear about his car troubles. 20 hours a week is ok. If you actually put in 20 hours of play, it probably consumes 30-40 hours of actual time. Glad to hear he is doing well and enjoying life.

  2. #322
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.
    Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

    It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

    Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.
    Says the guy that is just another hater making up lies. You said in an earlier post that Rob hand "bankruptcies." That's plural. I know of one that was long before his gambling career. If you know of more then give us the details. If you can't then you lied. You also said "evictions" That's also plural. Please list these multiple evictions or else you lied.
    Get a backer for this I don’t need one. Both of us can have someone film our play easy enough. We compare blackjack results over 1k hours of play in 9 months. Make it worth your time give me the amount your willing to bet. Since I don’t know blackjack lol. Fucking fraud

  3. #323
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Since you basically admitted to only playing a handful of hours a week your experiences mean nothing. How you part timers claim to be professionals is mind boggling. Only in the world of fake advantage players can one claim to be a pro working 14 hours a week tops lol.
    Changing gears, I wasn't going to bother to address this but have decide to do so now. You know nothing about playing blackjack and card counting for a living. Of the few "pure" card counters remaining that play for a living or significant stakes, most play a relatively small number of hours a week or month. I know guys that travel that might play 3 days a month. If it is not traveling out of town and playing "home casinos" players might play two days a week.

    It is me, and a very few others that took the "grinder" approach of playing 5-6 days and 30-40 hours a week, like I did for 10 years. That is a rarity. A home base of Las Vegas is probably the only situation a player can take that approach. And now, because of circumstances, I have transitioned, more towards the limited amount of play, for higher stakes approach....at least for now.

    Bottom line: stay in your lane dude. You clearly don't know shit about card counting for a living and you clearly don't know shit about me. You are just another hater making up lies.
    One more thing poolstrut I don’t have ONE lane. This game the AP game is all consuming for me. Just because you are to stupid to take advantage of higher edges doesn’t mean others don’t. I walk pass blackjack games weekly that would have you sucking off the security guards just to play. I walk pass them to higher hourly bigger edges. That doesn’t mean I don’t play idiot.

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  5. #325
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I think ZenKing only puts in 2 hours a week. Ok, I'm under-exaggerating, but he doesn't put in many hours.
    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.
    Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.

  6. #326
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.
    Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.
    Absolutely, it's not a matter of if, but when.

    Whatever the case, he shakes it off and gets back to it.

    Everyone has their own issues and ways of dealing with them. What really matters is if you can overcome those things and continue forward.

  7. #327
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    Well, how much are you under-exaggerating by? By his own admission, Zenking isn't playing high enough stakes to only be putting in a handful of hours. At the stakes he says he plays, max bet in the 2x$250 range, he really should be a grinder type player putting in decent hours to make any decent money.

    Unless of course blackjack has become a part-time thing for him. Is he doing other AP stuff (or non-AP stuff) to make a living and blackjack is just a small part of that now?
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.
    Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.
    In B4 hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!

  8. #328
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    95% sure he just plays blackjack. He might be doing 20 hours a week, and he might have upped his base bet. I don't pay that much attention to all that.

    I don't think he will care that I mention this, but he just got rear-ended(by a car that is) His car was totaled. But, other than that, he seems to be doing well. Nice place, has money, has freedom, and has friends.
    Easter is coming up soon so we should be due for another holiday losing disaster by ZK.
    Absolutely, it's not a matter of if, but when.

    Whatever the case, he shakes it off and gets back to it.

    Everyone has their own issues and ways of dealing with them. What really matters is if you can overcome those things and continue forward.
    Whatever happened to you're former protege, the Asian gangster DJATC ?

  9. #329
    Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Whatever happened to you're former protege, the Asian gangster DJATC ?
    He gambled all the "teams" money away playing shoot to the moon 21.

  10. #330
    I see kew is not only jealous of me--he's jealous of all my travelling while he's always stuck in his shithole apt.

    Just to irritate him a little more, we'll be staying up in the Tahoe area again this summer starting just before Memorial Day thru the end of Sept. I'll be getting in touch with boz again since he has a place up there. Kew, how are you processing the fact that the last time boz and I met up in Tahoe, I asked him if he had time to come by the RV park to meet my wife and see the Newell, but he got a call from where he bought new furniture and they were delivering it so he had to rush home.

    You see kew, you make up so many stories and so many lies about people you feel so inferior to, that it's no wonder you find yourself repeating them so often.

    I don't get to see many people be losers, homos, and constantly flame out all at the same time. So I relish the moment!

  11. #331
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    One of the more striking aspects of this thread is how clear it has become that Singer as a person is basically half kewlj and half redietz.

    Redietz - Both of Singer and Redietz post pictures of themselves with an expensive vehicle that they don't own. Both sell systems and mock those who understand the actual math behind what they're doing. Who else does this? Both talk up a big game of the old days. Redietz talks about his glory days betting at LV and Rob talks about his glory days with the DU bug but both have become completely irrelevant dinosaurs grasping via some forum persona.


    KewlJ - Kewl and Rob both like to make up random stuff on the fly about others. Both who have fantastic gambling stories - whether counting BJ in LV for a decade or winning insane UX jackpots. They both live in a complete fantasy world. Both reside with family that is not their spouse. Both are significant punching bags on this forum and I presume others. Neither can keep away because they love the drama.

    I'm not even sure if I could make the call which of the 2 Rob favors. He is so much like both of them.

    PS - My apologies to Redietz for making the comparison.
    Goddammit people. Can we please stay on subject here? Which one does Rob favor more?
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  12. #332
    Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

    1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
    2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
    3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

    In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

    4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
    5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
    6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

    Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

    You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

    Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
    Last edited by redietz; 03-11-2023 at 10:34 AM.

  13. #333
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

    1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
    2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
    3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

    In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

    4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
    5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
    6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

    Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

    You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

    Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
    Strawman Ditz at it again. Who are these AP’s that are going to migrate to sports betting? Name them. Let’s see if you can put up some facts this time. Repeat, name them. And your digs at today’s professional sportsbettors don’t fly. Its the type of shit an old loser would say.

    One more question. Between AP’s and journalists which group do you think has the best chance to make it in sports betting.
    "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people that sports betting is a contest of who knows the most about sports." Plus EV Analytics

  14. #334
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score)
    I got all "E"s on my 3rd grade report card, include an E in Arithmetic.

    E was an abbreviation for "excellent"...so take that, ditz.

    That's when my mommy told me that I am smart.

    But I can't remember what scores I got on any of the tests I took when I was 16.

  15. #335
    Ditz, when did you stop selling “expected value” on Integrity Sports?

    Why did you quit your tout service?
    "The greatest trick the devil ever pulled is convincing people that sports betting is a contest of who knows the most about sports." Plus EV Analytics

  16. #336
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I mean...I don't own...I stated...I drove...I lived in...The guy helped me...I don't and have never...I suspect I understand...check my math if I ask...I spent...you gave me...I'm usually...I'm hanging...I'm currently old...I think...I don't think
    OK

  17. #337
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I see kew is not only jealous of me--
    Yeah, you got me Rob. I am jealous of a geriatric, pudgy, bald, Larry-Fine looking, lying POS that lives off his kids.

  18. #338
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    Account, you're lazy and dishonest. I mean, c'mon. The only reason you know I don't own that vehicle is because I stated it with my Magnum P.I. analogy.

    1) I drove the vehicle (there's a sad Youtube video somewhere of me driving it pathetically slowly, like 40 mph).
    2) I lived in the same rather expensive home with the guy who owned the vehicle.
    3) The guy helped me on many occasions, including writing a mega-speed spread comparison program.

    In addition, you just lie through your teeth.

    4) I don't and have never, in 45 years of handicapping, sold any systems. LOL. Where'd you get that tidbit?
    5) I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score).
    6) The guy who owns the car can check my math if I ask (he got a perfect math SAT score).

    Dude, I spent the majority of my life in the top one percent of any intelligence test you gave me and in the top one percent of any cardiovascular test. And I'm usually the dumbest guy in the room when I'm hanging with my compadres. Now it's true that I'm currently old and decrepit, but I think as a group we can still manage to do the math.

    You don't quite grasp it. There was a mature handicapping culture, much, much bigger than all of the AP cultures combined, that pre-dates all of this LVA and GWAE moderne application to sports. And the people in that handicapping culture were among the best and brightest (ergo the moniker, The Computer Group, for example). You're cheering on a handful of blackjack players and machine players and math guys trying to switch over to sports betting. And they may or may not even be qualified to teach freshman college probability.

    Of course, the little pool of "APs" were going to migrate to sports as sports betting became ubiquitous. I don't think you grasp how lacking in expertise you really are, and how outnumbered you really are. The old Dunning-Kruger syndrome.
    “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Redietz, who was crucified. He is not here; he has risen, just as he said. Come and see the place where he lay.”

    I'm not going to argue with you but I got a 800 and sometimes a notch under but meh mistakes. Always finished with spare time. Whatever, a lot of what I say isn't to be taken literally. I try not to get too far out there in my "lies".

    I happen to know the math SAT score of another poster on here and it was also a 800 but hey we're all dummies here.

    Honest confession - I don't *REALLY* have a dossier on Tableplay that talks about his abuse by wedgy but the idea that I'm going wild with lies is itself a lie.

    CAN WE STOP BEING PEDANTIC AND STICK ON TOPIC. IS ROB SINGER MORE LIKE KEWLJ OR MORE LIKE REDIETZ.
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    Speaking of tests, I recently came across an old letter from MENSA to my now-deceased mom.

    Seems they were responding to a free test she took and then mailed in her answer.

    It showed she scored 154 and they extended what I believe was a preliminary invitation to join.

    She didn't follow up as she was very traditional: married at 19, started a family and was a home maker while my dad brought home the bacon.

    Me, I'm pretty sharp but I do believe she was sharper.

    Just shows you never can tell who gets blessed with brains.
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  20. #340
    Originally Posted by coach belly View Post
    Originally Posted by redietz View Post
    I suspect I understand the math better than you do (my suspicion is partly based on the old 740 SAT math score)
    I got all "E"s on my 3rd grade report card, include an E in Arithmetic.

    E was an abbreviation for "excellent"...so take that, ditz.

    That's when my mommy told me that I am smart.

    But I can't remember what scores I got on any of the tests I took when I was 16.
    I got so bored with school, by the 9th grade, that I would get straight F's for Fun.

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