Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

KJ, give up on the Social Security argument. It's not true. Never has been true. Never will be true. After all the shit I've been called on this forum you think the SS thing bothers me? Get a fucking clue, dude. What IS true is your ability to conjure up any kind of unadulterated bullshit to fit your false narratives.

Ok, mickey. whatever you say. Must just be a co-incidence that you have been on this forum with Redietz since the day I joined and presumably this forum and others with him for much longer and never said boo about his claims, as soon as he made that stupid comment, you have gone after him.

hey look we all, myself included take offense at things sometimes.

[mickeycrimm]

Then what the hell do you APs do? Sit and stare at things and hope some simple math saves the day? I'm telling you this is one of the most OBVIOUS, EASY, and UBIQUITOUS angles in sports betting. And it has been since parlay cards were invented. If people like you, Witteles, kewlJ, Seed, Axelwolf never did it, it would suggest you were all, to be politically incorrect, a bit on the tard side.
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You accused me of being lazy etc, but let me point out, I have told you and mentioned numerous times that I was betting the parlays back in the early 2000s and on and off since.

He's avoiding you, axel. Your questions are to tough.

[kewlJ]

Seems to me that sports betting could be sort of an unwitting "trap" for fans of the game; let me explain.

My buddy and I love NFL games; I don't bet, I just want to have an entertaining game.

He in contrast bets and in doing so seems unable to enjoy the game as it is played out, as he now is financially invested in only one outcome.

Over time he has pretty much stopped wanting to watch the games, and instead he spends time pouring over info, betting, and tracking his myriad bets.

Fun if you enjoy it I suppose, but not my cuppa.

I am a sports fan MrV. Always have been. Of course I have my teams that I am passionate about Eagles, Phillies, Villanova basketball. But other than that I watch let's say football of college basketball when my teams aren't involved. During football season, I watch football 12 hours a day every Saturday and Sunday. But when a bad Atlanta Falcons are on TV playing a bad Carolina Panthers team, or a bad Chicago Bears team are playing a bad Washington (I guess commanders) team, or a 8pm Saturday evening (11pm east coast time) when a losing Stanford is playing Cal, it becomes harder to watch. But with a little 'action' on the game, all of the sudden it is interesting again.

I can guarantee that since the expansion of sports betting available online and in more states, there are more "fans" of these games, or maybe more accurately fans of the dollar watching these game. And that is all the leagues and networks care about, more people watching. Doesn't matter why.

As I have said many times, my sports wagering is entertainment to me. If I place a handful of wagers, lets say 15, $100 wagers over a weekend, that is an expected loss of less than $75. that is the cost of dinner and a movie. THAT is what entertainment is.

Now if I wanted to get serious about sports betting and wanted to seriously try make money, I don't know if I could or not, but I sure as hell could do better than I do as a recreational sports better betting for entertainment. For starters I would stay away from most games that I bet now, just because they are on TV and focus more some of the things that might make plays +EV.

[mickeycrimm]

KJ, give up on the Social Security argument. It's not true. Never has been true. Never will be true. After all the shit I've been called on this forum you think the SS thing bothers me? Get a fucking clue, dude. What IS true is your ability to conjure up any kind of unadulterated bullshit to fit your false narratives.

Ok, mickey. whatever you say. Must just be a co-incidence that you have been on this forum with Redietz since the day I joined and presumably this forum and others with him for much longer and never said boo about his claims, as soon as he made that stupid comment, you have gone after him.

hey look we all, myself included take offense at things sometimes.

Give it up, KJ. You are just stupid wrong. That was just a stupid comment by him meant to get a dig in on me. It's not worth arguing about. He was clutching at straws, anything to slight me. But he has been doing that for a few years now. It amazes me how you read his posts about me and you read my posts about him and you only see me as the attacker. It says a lot about you. How fucking biased you are.

[kewlJ]

you only see me as the attacker.

You are not attacking him??

I didn't say you were the only one throwing out attacks. Redietz is too. News flash: It takes 2 parties for these attacks or fights to keep going back and forth. Same situation as Maxpen. It takes two of you. You and Maxpen both said things I took offense at and both said things to/about each other that I don't believe either of you believed were true. So I more or less stayed out.

The difference here is the ganging up. Whether you know it or not mickey, and I suspect you do, there are people that follow your lead. And in this case it means they have jumped on board attacking redietz, because they don't like him for some reason, probably completely different that why you don't like him. That is ganging up. A bullying practice and I am not a fan.

[mickeycrimm]

you only see me as the attacker.

You are not attacking him??

I didn't say you were the only one throwing out attacks. Redietz is too. News flash: It takes 2 parties for these attacks or fights to keep going back and forth. Same situation as Maxpen. It takes two of you. You and Maxpen both said things I took offense at and both said things to/about each other that I don't believe either of you believed were true. So I more or less stayed out.

The difference here is the ganging up. Whether you know it or not mickey, and I suspect you do, there are people that follow your lead. And in this case it means they have jumped on board attacking redietz, because they don't like him for some reason, probably completely different that why you don't like him. That is ganging up. A bullying practice and I am not a fan.

No one is doing it because of me. Redietz didn't attack just me. He made a full on frontal assault on AP's. He even included you. What skin is it off his back if others want to learn something about sports betting? He's coming with one insult after another and people just ain't going to take it from him. He brought it on himself. If you don't want "the gang" on your ass then don't insult them.

[mickeycrimm]

Wasn't it reported on WoV in the last week that GWAE will be ending in the next couple months? Or at least Rickard and Bob stepping down as hosts. So if Redietz wants to get on or Axel decides "what the hell", you should get to it.

My personal thoughts mirror Axelwolf's. I was asked twice by Munchkin if I has any interest, the first way back on Norm's blackjack forum, probably 2014 or so. I just saw or see no benefit. I wouldn't say anything specific about how I have been able to play one location, and that is the only thing that sets me apart from dozens of other card counters. I have shared some of these things on occasion on forums, but I set the narrative and decide what I want to say and when. I wouldn't want to be in a position where I was asked a question I wouldn't answer. I don't think that is fair to the show.

Incredibly, since I was first asked there have been a number of card counters that have been on GWAE, and many of us have very similar histories, right down to staring out with very low limit play and building a bankroll. It is to the point now, that I am like, "oh they have another card counter on?"

Bob announced that GWAE is going away on the last podcast 5 days ago. They've been doing a lot of mailbag shows recently. They've run through every one who is anyone in the gambling world. It starts at 0:39

[jbjb]

Who the fuck cares?!?!?!?

Every single one of you need to quit "proving" anything to anybody and stop providing info on forums, Twitter, etc., for casinos to shut us down!

[redietz]

Then what the hell do you APs do? Sit and stare at things and hope some simple math saves the day? I'm telling you this is one of the most OBVIOUS, EASY, and UBIQUITOUS angles in sports betting. And it has been since parlay cards were invented. If people like you, Witteles, kewlJ, Seed, Axelwolf never did it, it would suggest you were all, to be politically incorrect, a bit on the tard side.
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You accused me of being lazy etc, but let me point out, I have told you and mentioned numerous times that I was betting the parlays back in the early 2000s and on and off since.

Axelwolf, I don't know if you recall because it was probably over at WoV, but you already mentioned you were doing this stuff when I said I had done it. That's why I said if you hadn't done it, something would be seriously wrong with you.

I assumed you were doing it. Hell, I assume almost anybody who gambles seriously is doing it.

Laziness has nothing to do with it. It doesn't take work. It takes a few minutes and a few bucks.

What I'm saying here, Axelwolf, and take it as a backhanded compliment, is that I presumed you had been doing it because I have always presumed you aren't dumb as a rock. I mean, who didn't do it?

[redietz]

It is quite clear that Redietz has never really been a sport-bettor. He has just read a ton of vegas shit in books and created his own accounts of being there. Written down names of people we can't contact. References printed materials we can't reference. (While constantly ridiculing anything online)

He ridiculed EV when every sharp bettor knows better. He ridicules everyone. It has become beyond clear that he is a big fucking phoney. He is never going to get on GWAE or anything like that because to be put on the spot would mean his lies are clear. No, he sits at his chair and lashes out when people talk about things over his head and beyond the bullshit stories he picked up reading in the library.

He is a pathetic tout. Even the quintessential picture with the fancy car is meh. The $500 overdue tax bill shows his financial situation. How else could you be so into sports betting yet know so little about contemporary sportsbetting?

Again it is beyond clear. The way he puts himself forth, the condescension, these are all hallmarks of a faker. Those tell-tale signs. That is what touts do.

Mickey, stop arguing with this fool.

Yeah, that would explain the offering to answer unknown questions extemporaneously. Makes perfect sense. Explains the Who's Who in Sports Gambling inclusion. Explains being the only person in the history of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" to win back-to-back college football profit titles and three in five years. Mickey posted one of those years here in the retro Road Trip thread. Thanks, mickey.

Tell you what, account, why don't you come to Las Vegas and interview me. Hell, I'll pay for the videographer. Come on down, baby! It'll be a blast. I'll even pick up your hotel tab.

You want April, July, or another time in the next couple of months?

You know what? We could even do it like a job interview. Mickey, account, and a neutral party, maybe kewlJ, sitting in three chairs, asking me questions with no prep on my part. We could recruit Todd, hell, somebody recruit Singer. It'll be a grand old time.

Exciting stuff.

Can't wait to hear account's response. Email me, account.

IntegritySports@aol.com. Don't be shy.

So you want to answer questions formulated by people that are not professional sports bettors? What's up with that? How about you field questions by heavy hitters like Fezzik, Spanky and Capt. Jack Andrews? Would you still do the interview if they were sitting in the three chairs?

Maybe I can arrange it. Just say the word.

LOL.

You arrange it, mickey. Then tell Fezzik we'll be discussing The Group and his mea culpa and see what happens.

But wait until after you get him to agree. Otherwise it's no fun.

I think mickey is going to get a sports betting history lesson.

[accountinquestion]

That's what I mean, Boz. Every couple of years, someone comes out of the woodwork and claims they invented the wheel. It's hilarious. Like coming up with a way to attack these things required a PhD (which my late wife had two of, by the way). Every sports bettor with a brain attacked them.

The other comparable nonsense was when certain teasers were labeled "Wong teasers." And Wong's not even the guy's name, but I guess he was shooting for Asian intellectual stereotyping or something. Who the hell decided they were "Wong teasers?" Wong!?!

The teaser strategy pre-dated Wong by decades. If you read Larry Merchant's "National Football Lottery" -- circa 1972 -- it's clear he's emphasizing certain kinds of teasers as opposed to others. "Wong," in his infinite wisdom, basically outed the play and the consequences were that teaser odds changed for the worse.

Just as with Fezzik. Why even blather on about the frozen line, staggered in time thing? All you do is get every civilian to try it, which means more games will be made unavailable on the parlay cards late in the week. He did no one any favors except the books.

I feel badly that account and mickey crimm don't have the courage of their convictions. All I can do is make myself available to answer questions I'm unprepared for, and give them the opportunity to make an ass out of me on video. And I'll pay for account's room!

Boz, any suggestions? Should I throw in a hooker or something to sweeten the deal for them? Or maybe an ice cream cone for account?

FYI -- The Gangster Chronicles is an IHeartRadio series being helmed by George Anastasia, who is a journalist with absolutely impeccable credentials. I am honored to be involved at any level with the series.

I have offered to interview you via phone if that is your desire. I'm not sure what the logic is behind me wanting to go to LV to meet and film you.

This is the same ol forum bullshit since the dawn of forums. Challenge someone under terms you know they won't accept. So stupid. Oh free rooms! Fucking doofus.

The move here is for me to demand a $100k escrow that my identity will not be revealed. We can use Dan Druff. Do that and I don't even care about the room.

All negotiating can be done publicly. No need to privately hide it off in emails. That is the sort of stuff bullshitters and scammers want to do when the heat is too hot.

Of course podcast dude has impeccable credentials. He is interviewing you, right?

I've known people who went on to get an IHeartRadio show. I'm not sure what that is and I'm still not impressed. Glad to hear you're on a podcast. I will definitely listen.

You can't even answer how you calculated ROI for your service without the concept of EV being involved. I've asked how many times now? You know Mickey nailed you with that one, so you just avoid. You dug a big hole running your mouth with that one.

And Kewlj, stfu. No one here is concerned about the SS shit. I said things 10x worse to Mickey and he's said it back to me and we've probably both forgotten it. Redietz made his own bed here and we're having fun with him. Ok, we get what you're saying but it makes 0 sense.

[redietz]

Account, the fearsome AP.

If you're referring to Georga Anastasia in your post, he's not interviewing me. And have some respect. Or take the time to at least read his Wiki page. I don't think they'll track your identity if you pull up a Wiki page, but one never knows.

Better get your sister to do it, just to keep your identity under wraps.

[accountinquestion]

Account, the fearsome AP.

If you're referring to Georga Anastasia in your post, he's not interviewing me. And have some respect. Or take the time to at least read his Wiki page. I don't think they'll track your identity if you pull up a Wiki page, but one never knows.

Better get your sister to do it, just to keep your identity under wraps.

Duck and dodge with nonsense. Surprise surprise. Standard Redietz.

Not sure how you jump from me not wanting to interview you in person to avoiding a wiki page. Layers of idiocy but that is what happens when you paint yourself in the corner. You have no other option but to go totally silent.

You're losing your shit. Those basics of those creative writing courses have faded with time. Maybe tap Singer in and give him your notes to start with.

[mickeycrimm]

Yeah, that would explain the offering to answer unknown questions extemporaneously. Makes perfect sense. Explains the Who's Who in Sports Gambling inclusion. Explains being the only person in the history of "Tipsters or Gypsters?" to win back-to-back college football profit titles and three in five years. Mickey posted one of those years here in the retro Road Trip thread. Thanks, mickey.

Tell you what, account, why don't you come to Las Vegas and interview me. Hell, I'll pay for the videographer. Come on down, baby! It'll be a blast. I'll even pick up your hotel tab.

You want April, July, or another time in the next couple of months?

You know what? We could even do it like a job interview. Mickey, account, and a neutral party, maybe kewlJ, sitting in three chairs, asking me questions with no prep on my part. We could recruit Todd, hell, somebody recruit Singer. It'll be a grand old time.

Exciting stuff.

Can't wait to hear account's response. Email me, account.

IntegritySports@aol.com. Don't be shy.

So you want to answer questions formulated by people that are not professional sports bettors? What's up with that? How about you field questions by heavy hitters like Fezzik, Spanky and Capt. Jack Andrews? Would you still do the interview if they were sitting in the three chairs?

Maybe I can arrange it. Just say the word.

LOL.

You arrange it, mickey. Then tell Fezzik we'll be discussing The Group and his mea culpa and see what happens.

But wait until after you get him to agree. Otherwise it's no fun.

I think mickey is going to get a sports betting history lesson.

What is the Group....and the mea culpa? It can't be top secret if you are willing to discuss it in public. Tell us what it is.

And the interview is about you, not him. Remember, you are supposed to answer questions. But how did I know you would turn it into something else? What you are doing is huffing and puffing and trying to blow the house down.

What kind of scandal do you have on Spanky and Capt. Jack? How about Rufus Peabody?

[redietz]

So you want to answer questions formulated by people that are not professional sports bettors? What's up with that? How about you field questions by heavy hitters like Fezzik, Spanky and Capt. Jack Andrews? Would you still do the interview if they were sitting in the three chairs?

Maybe I can arrange it. Just say the word.

LOL.

You arrange it, mickey. Then tell Fezzik we'll be discussing The Group and his mea culpa and see what happens.

But wait until after you get him to agree. Otherwise it's no fun.

I think mickey is going to get a sports betting history lesson.

What is the Group....and the mea culpa? It can't be top secret if you are willing to discuss it in public. Tell us what it is.

What kind of scandal do you have on Spanky and Capt. Jack? How about Rufus Peabody?

Awwww, mickey's backing off from his Fezzik challenge. Who knew? LOL.

I'll do it if Fezzik does it. Bottom line. He's the most knowledgeable, most experienced, most solid reputation with the most spectacular, documented results. Being questioned by Fezzik would be a true test. Set it up, baby. I may as well be questioned by the best.

[mickeycrimm]

LOL.

You arrange it, mickey. Then tell Fezzik we'll be discussing The Group and his mea culpa and see what happens.

But wait until after you get him to agree. Otherwise it's no fun.

I think mickey is going to get a sports betting history lesson.

What is the Group....and the mea culpa? It can't be top secret if you are willing to discuss it in public. Tell us what it is.

What kind of scandal do you have on Spanky and Capt. Jack? How about Rufus Peabody?

Awwww, mickey's backing off from his Fezzik challenge. Who knew? LOL.

I'll do it if Fezzik does it. Bottom line. He's the most knowledgeable, most experienced, most solid reputation with the most spectacular, documented results. Being questioned by Fezzik would be a true test. Set it up, baby. I may as well be questioned by the best.

Not backing off anything. You are the one backing off. You've threatened to publicly attack Fezzik. What's that all about? As soon as I tell him you want to talk about "the group and the mea culpa" what do you think he's going to do? Consent to being on a show where someone is going to attack him? You're trying to fuck things up. You know he won't do it under those conditions. Fraud.

But I'll damn sure make contact and tell him there's a huckster in Tennessee that wants a showdown with him. You're banking that I can't pull it off.
You swore up and down you were going to be on GWAE too. Rinse and repeat.

[accountinquestion]

< shakes head >

[mickeycrimm]

[IntegritySports@aol.com. Don't be shy.

IntegritySports? Isn't this the site you were selling Expected Value?

[cyberbabble]

Circles Off is an interesting sports gambling podcast.

These guys are not touts. They are anti-tout. They interview touts.
They are in Canada and can advertise Pinnacle Sports. They do make comments about Betstamp which is a good bet tracking site. One of them is connected to Betstamp.

This is a Fezzik interview. They push him enough to get him to admit most bettors can't make money with his tout picks. It has been a awhile since I listened. I think he claimed that maybe large bettors (thousands per game) can make money.

If you think a tout can give you good enough picks to cover the juice and pay for a touts advice, you can't.



Interview with Berryhorse. He posted MLB picks on Twitter for a couple of years. He was contacted by a group of large bettors. They agreed to pay him if he would stop posting his picks in public. If Redietz had a record of winning picks 30 years ago he could have found plenty of backers.

I don't know if Berryhorse is telling the truth. He is a little wacky on quantum physics and bitcoin.

[redietz]

What is the Group....and the mea culpa? It can't be top secret if you are willing to discuss it in public. Tell us what it is.

What kind of scandal do you have on Spanky and Capt. Jack? How about Rufus Peabody?

Awwww, mickey's backing off from his Fezzik challenge. Who knew? LOL.

I'll do it if Fezzik does it. Bottom line. He's the most knowledgeable, most experienced, most solid reputation with the most spectacular, documented results. Being questioned by Fezzik would be a true test. Set it up, baby. I may as well be questioned by the best.

Not backing off anything. You are the one backing off. You've threatened to publicly attack Fezzik. What's that all about? As soon as I tell him you want to talk about "the group and the mea culpa" what do you think he's going to do? Consent to being on a show where someone is going to attack him? You're trying to fuck things up. You know he won't do it under those conditions. Fraud.

But I'll damn sure make contact and tell him there's a huckster in Tennessee that wants a showdown with him. You're banking that I can't pull it off.
You swore up and down you were going to be on GWAE too. Rinse and repeat.

No, mickey. YOU said I'd be on GWAE if I contacted them, which I did. I emailed Munch twice. It appears that you were pulling some nonsense, probably misreporting their interest.

In fact, I'm emailing them again today as a courtesy to pass along my dates in Las Vegas. I think you better check your own posts and learn to read.

And I will not publicly attack Fezzik. I will just let him know that I am somewhat informed. Unlike you, mickey.

When you mention "the huckster," also mention that "the huckster" is in contact with his successful predecessor regarding "the debacle." He'll know what I'm talking about.

Mickey, you are so completely uninformed and out of your depth. But be sure to contact Fezzik regarding "the huckster." Please. I think it'll be eye-opening when he realizes his predecessor and "the huckster" may be working together.

Oh, mickey, I have to add this. Please let Fezzik know that "the huckster" is doing some work for George Anastasia's radio series. LOL.