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[accountinquestion]

I posted links to The Wise Guys Contest at least a dozen times on this forum. Jesus, man, how lazy are you?

The "AP" with his "hourly wage." LOL.

You just show your ignorance. So where is the link?

Stop being such a clown. Seriously.

[accountinquestion]

For such a sharp guy who can handicap why didn't you play those fantasy sports sites when people were printing money ?!

This redietz person has been unable to get on a gambling podcast with respectable known people or actually ANY gambling podcast.

Instead he finds to podcast that is desperate for someone with some sort of "gangster" connection. NOTHING to do with gambling. lol

Did he run off when he knows he can't provide a link? How can a big time contest where only the best are invited NOT HAVE A WEBSITE !?!??!

It wouldn't need to be pretty or elaborate but if this thing is anything like Redietz represents it to be.. why not post the results?!?!

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

We'll see if he can come through. He has posted the link a dozen times but I can't find a link to it on Google!??!? None of this makes sense. Again if he comes through and I have egg on my face then sure. The fact is I did spend several minutes trying to find it. This idea I should spend more time is just lol redietz bullshit.

wise up people.

[redietz]

I posted links to The Wise Guys Contest at least a dozen times on this forum. Jesus, man, how lazy are you?

The "AP" with his "hourly wage." LOL.

You just show your ignorance. So where is the link?

Stop being such a clown. Seriously.

Here's a link to my worst finish in the last 20 years. I chose my worst finish as a favor to account. LOL.

https://www.playbooksports.com/wg04.pdf

[accountinquestion]

I posted links to The Wise Guys Contest at least a dozen times on this forum. Jesus, man, how lazy are you?

The "AP" with his "hourly wage." LOL.

You just show your ignorance. So where is the link?

Stop being such a clown. Seriously.

Here's a link to my worst finish in the last 20 years. I chose my worst finish as a favor to account. LOL.

https://www.playbooksports.com/wg04.pdf

Thank you. Jesus it wasn't that hard. We're finally getting somewhere.

So are there other years?

I see 10k prize pool and 50 players. That is like an EV of $200.. maybe a bit more. Why would a professional sports bettor even fuck with that !?!?

Assuming it isn't rigged by some tout.

Well we'd need to see the other years to establish this is your worst year. Right? You're the greatest doubter of all outside of your own bubble bullshit so clearly you understand this.

Still where are the rules? Where is something that explains what this is that we're looking at. You have one PDF that is a list of names. Is there a buyin? Is it a total freeroll?

edit - ok found something else - https://www.playbooksports.com/2018WiseGuysReport16.pdf

Their website is in pretty bad shape but.. at least this explains what Redietz references to legitimize his expertise.

[kewlJ]

Yes, casinos always invite groups of long-term winning card counters to "Counting Bashes"

Actually, Barona casino and Max Rubin DO.

I don't mean to hijack, but the BJHoF is a joke...because of Max Rubin and where it is located. I have great respect for many members and have had the good fortune to communicate with a number of them on forums and privately, and one I consider a "friend" and seek his opinion and advise regularly. But Max who is a member himself, played these people by hosting the hall of fame. Each member has a picture on the wall and has signed an agreement not to play at Barona. So essentially, Max and Barona have accumulated a private database of top players all who have already signed a trespass agreement in exchange for some wall space. Very shrewd.

Now most players in the BJHofF are no longer active player, so they haven't given up much. Of the few that are still active AP's, like Munchkin and Grosjean, they don't play much blackjack, especially via card counting. Tommy Hyland still actively runs teams, but I don't know how much he plays. But it isn't just that they have agreed to not play Barona. That information and a whole new set of pictures, makes its way to the current databases, so it is a loss/loss for any active player.

When a guy who was an AP card counters, comp hustler specialist, like a Max Rubin, starts working for a casino or the casino industry, he is a traitor in my mind. He becomes the enemy. I have never understood why Max Rubin has avoided that sentiment from the BJ community and fellow HofF members.

I don't know what it takes to be considered for the BJHoF now a days. I know and communicate with several players that have been at this decades and made millions of dollars. And no, I am not talking about myself. I am talking players that have made a very comfortable living for 30 years or more and although they rarely talk numbers have made millions. That doesn't seem to be anything special now a days. But anyone one of these still active players would be a fool to accept the 'honor" of being a BJ HofF member as long as they actively play.

And while on the subject, Norm Wattenberger who I have had some issues with over the years, should be inducted as a member of the BJHoF for his software alone, which as benefited a whole generation of card counters, ranging from recreational to professional, myself among them. I am told Norm has not been considered for personal conflicts and feelings with other members. That kind of "politics" is bullshit.

Back to the sports betting "chat".

[accountinquestion]

You just show your ignorance. So where is the link?

Stop being such a clown. Seriously.

Here's a link to my worst finish in the last 20 years. I chose my worst finish as a favor to account. LOL.

https://www.playbooksports.com/wg04.pdf

Thank you. Jesus it wasn't that hard. We're finally getting somewhere.

So are there other years?

I see 10k prize pool and 50 players. That is like an EV of $200.. maybe a bit more. Why would a professional sports bettor even fuck with that !?!?

Assuming it isn't rigged by some tout.

Well we'd need to see the other years to establish this is your worst year. Right? You're the greatest doubter of all outside of your own bubble bullshit so clearly you understand this.

Still where are the rules? Where is something that explains what this is that we're looking at. You have one PDF that is a list of names. Is there a buyin? Is it a total freeroll?

edit - ok found something else - https://www.playbooksports.com/2018WiseGuysReport16.pdf

Their website is in pretty bad shape but.. at least this explains what Redietz references to legitimize his expertise.

Here is another etc.

https://www.playbooksports.com/2018WiseGuysReport18.pdf

Here is another one I managed to find. I have to increment the number suffix manually to find these hidden files but if one has to use advanced techniques to exploit this website to find the results then so be it.

https://www.playbooksports.com/2017WiseGuysReport18.pdf

And this one he gets third.

Ok, respectable results in whatever it is we're looking at. I can give you that Redietz.

I still don't get how professional successful sports bettors would ever mess around with such a thing. Is it a freeroll ? This one doesn't have the prize pool on the pdf.

btw only way I can find this stuff is by googling site: playbooksports.com "wise guys" It must be big time.

Redietz, the reason you always get 5th place or better is because your name STARTS WITH A B so it is always at the top ! lol

18 weeks of going through a list of spreads to find the best value .. all for $200 of EV. No wonder he mocks the concept. lol You could make a better hourly working in a factory somewhere.

edit - I'm too lazy to look at this further. So results are out there. If you want to look through them to calculate Bob's results then feel free. At least he can't go on about me being lazy. I'm still not convinced this really demonstrates much of anything. It seems largely irrelevant but there are some truths to his story.

[MDawg]

UNKewLyingJ continues to spout things that he heard or read about, when in reality he's just an occasional red to green blackjack player, some low end video poker.

Seedvalue on the UNKewl one: You don’t make a living playing blackjack tho. That the problem I have with you. Instead of just coming clean and saying you have sugar daddies some that like you others you have extorted you keep up the charade.

[kewlJ]

Anyone wonder how this supposed lawyer, high rolling sand monkey has so much time and is so fixated on one person....don`t add up

I am not a fan of this Petey Macdouche person, but the question he raises is something everyone on these forums should be asking. It seems at this point all that is left for the "great adventure" writer is to obsessively troll me in some kind of vengeful act.

[MDawg]

Petey Macdouche is yet another UNKewlJ sock puppet. Note that whenever UNKewlJ starts speaking vaguely, such as about how he is "is not a fan of this sock puppet" or, for example with the recent KJ sock puppet at WOV, about how he is interested only in some of what the sock puppet posted, it means that he is guilty. When he lies, he is rarely able to look us in the eye and say "I didn't do that" - instead, he dissembles, at length, about reasons why he could not have (versus did not) do something.

Over at GF punkcity has documented some other KewlJ socks too.

And here at VCT UNKewLyingJ has created some others too, which is why in my poll where everyone had to identity himself, it was almost ten to one against the J, while in the other poll where people could vote anonymously, some UNKewl socks came out of the woodwork.

monet on the UNKewl one: Nothing you post is 100% true.
From faking your own death to using multiple sockpuppets.
Like Coach said... you are constantly lying to the forums and you have admitted to it time and time again

[MDawg]

This UNKewl lying started long ago. Just look back to posts at WOV and other forums where KewlJ / KewlJason posted over 5 years ago, and you will find multiple forum members talking about how KJ is known for lying and has low credibility.

[kewlJ]

Petey Macdouche is yet another UNKewlJ sock puppet. Note that whenever UNKewlJ starts speaking vaguely, such as about how he is "is not a fan of this sock puppet" or, for example with the recent KJ sock puppet at WOV, about how he is interested only in some of what the sock puppet posted, it means that he is guilty. When he lies, he is rarely able to look us in the eye and say "I didn't do that" - instead, he dissembles, at length, about reasons why he could not have (versus did not) do something.

Over at GF punkcity has documented some other KewlJ socks too.

And here at VCT UNKewLyingJ has created some others too, which is why in my poll where everyone had to identity himself, it was almost ten to one against the J, while in the other poll where people could vote anonymously, some UNKewl socks came out of the woodwork.

You people, like blackhole, punkcity (what a nut that guy is) and now Mdawg are absolutely delusional with this sock puppet crap. You are so obsessed you have become paranoid and think every new member or member that doesn't post much, is a sock puppet.

This Petey McDouche character, who I have never much cared for or been a fan of has like 2 dozen posts. I read through them today. About half are attacking me for god sakes.

More importantly both here at VCT and at Gambling forums there is a process for sockpuppet accusations in which management will confirm or deny. The fact is I have never used a sock puppet either here or at VCT. I want credit or responsibility for whatever I post, good or bad. The only places I have used a sock puppet a couple times were WoV and Norm's forum and that was to warn players about a casino cheating. At Wov, I have used a couple sock puppets to chime in on something I would have liked to have said as kewlJ, but couldn't, but in every case, I use a handle like Kewlj2, kewlj3 or FlyEaglesFly, going out of my way to make sure people know who it is. The purpose of a sockpuppet is to deceive (often creating an imaginary person for credibility purposes). I have never tried to deceive anyone with my kewlj2, kewl3, flyEaglesFly sockpuppets. Or even as spiderman where I warned of casino cheating. I immediately made it known who I was.

So you are just out the window with this sock puppet crap. If you really think that, ask the forum administrators at each site and they will affirm that your paranoid suspicions aren't me.

By the way, not exactly a sock puppet, but pretty much the same thing.....Mdawg is not your first go around. You were previously on WoV and other forums using other handles. Glass house and stones and all that stuff.

[kewlJ]

But really, none of this even matters. It is all deflection. The one question which this nut guy Petey MacDouche asked today and I have been asking for a while now, and several others, like MrV have also asked is: does it make any sense at all, that a wealthy dude, born into a wealthy family, who now claims to have won multiple millions of dollar from the casinos on top of that, spends ALL his time obsessing over me, a mid-level advantage player?

Does that make any sense to anyone?

And dude, if you really think I am even a lower stakes player than I claim, you would be wrong, but that makes even less sense.

Saying it makes "no sense" is me being polite. It really exposes you and you don't even seem to realize it. No freaking higher end player claiming what you claim would waste a minute on this shit, let alone every waking minute that you do.

[accountinquestion]

I'm not sure what having money has to do with your forum posting behavior unless you believe they are self-made at which point you might expect them to be spending their time doing something productive.

Kewl you have posted so much bullshit that is infinitely less likely it makes this whole exchange laughable.

Mdawg has actually posted pictures where you always come up with silly excuse. Come'on man.

Exist in reality.

[MDawg]

Ever since UNKewLyingJ was outed as a compulsive liar, he's given up on trying to retain any credibility, other than with weak repetitive "Woe is Me" and "There must be something wrong with anyone who comes after me for lying" nonsense. This upward shift in the level of UNKewlJ deviousness is why for some time now he's been using sock puppets without later admitting that they were his. As far as the lying, his pattern since the beginning has been to deny. Finally recently he was caught dead to rights and admitted that series of ongoing lies he made for a few months.

I doubt he will ever deviate from this pattern of continuing lying, admitting only if cornered.

Another interesting thing with you Kewl is that your lying is not part of a standard long con. You've been doing this forever now and it had given you so much credibility your bullshit meter got stuck and you stopped being able to discern a whopper from something reasonable.

No one here is saying anything we don't already know, and the bottom line remains, as MaxPen has said, You can't get to the truth with a fraud, but when some of us keep after UNKewLyingJ the same way he has kept after his nonstop Lying at Length, he cries wolf, after having bit off more than he could chew.

The main reason I keep up with the pressure on this high pitched whiner, is as an exercise in analysis of his persona. You have to admit, besides being fun and games, it's fascinating to encounter such a lost soul who tries so hard to stick to the same lying script, and doesn't give up even after repeated failures to convince people of whatever it is he's trying to convince people of. Yes there are a lot of liars out there, but one who keeps at it, pretending (or maybe even believing?) that he's making headway, is more rare.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg has actually posted pictures where you always come up with silly excuse. Come'on man.

Mdawg has posted picture that prove he has or come from money. I don't know that anyone has ever disputed that. I think both Axelwolf and Dan Druff has suggested that it probably isn't as wealthy as he wants people to believe, but I honestly don't care about that. It makes no difference to me if he is the king of England (or Egypt) or a long-lost member of the Kennedy clan.

All I care about is some of his gambling statements and claim, which were not true, defied the math, defied the way Las Vegas and the casino industry works. It makes no difference to me if he is a Forbes top 100 billionaire or a homeless person making those claims. I challenge those claims based on their merit.

Once I got to these kind of troll forums, like here and GF, the common practice, is for when these guys get challenged on merit, to attack the person challenging. THAT is simply a deflection and probably where I went wrong. I was probably a little too thin-skinned because what these kind of people think and say, really shouldn't have mattered. If you really stop and think about it attacking someone legitimately challenging your claims, only confirms that they are correct. So I allowed these trolls and nut cases like Singer, Mdawg to draw me into their game.

[redietz]

Here's a link to my worst finish in the last 20 years. I chose my worst finish as a favor to account. LOL.

https://www.playbooksports.com/wg04.pdf

Thank you. Jesus it wasn't that hard. We're finally getting somewhere.

So are there other years?

I see 10k prize pool and 50 players. That is like an EV of $200.. maybe a bit more. Why would a professional sports bettor even fuck with that !?!?

Assuming it isn't rigged by some tout.

Well we'd need to see the other years to establish this is your worst year. Right? You're the greatest doubter of all outside of your own bubble bullshit so clearly you understand this.

Still where are the rules? Where is something that explains what this is that we're looking at. You have one PDF that is a list of names. Is there a buyin? Is it a total freeroll?

edit - ok found something else - https://www.playbooksports.com/2018WiseGuysReport16.pdf

Their website is in pretty bad shape but.. at least this explains what Redietz references to legitimize his expertise.

Here is another etc.

https://www.playbooksports.com/2018WiseGuysReport18.pdf

Here is another one I managed to find. I have to increment the number suffix manually to find these hidden files but if one has to use advanced techniques to exploit this website to find the results then so be it.

https://www.playbooksports.com/2017WiseGuysReport18.pdf

And this one he gets third.

Ok, respectable results in whatever it is we're looking at. I can give you that Redietz.

I still don't get how professional successful sports bettors would ever mess around with such a thing. Is it a freeroll ? This one doesn't have the prize pool on the pdf.

btw only way I can find this stuff is by googling site: playbooksports.com "wise guys" It must be big time.

Redietz, the reason you always get 5th place or better is because your name STARTS WITH A B so it is always at the top ! lol

18 weeks of going through a list of spreads to find the best value .. all for $200 of EV. No wonder he mocks the concept. lol You could make a better hourly working in a factory somewhere.

edit - I'm too lazy to look at this further. So results are out there. If you want to look through them to calculate Bob's results then feel free. At least he can't go on about me being lazy. I'm still not convinced this really demonstrates much of anything. It seems largely irrelevant but there are some truths to his story.

LOL. Jesus Christ.

You don't get it at all, which isn't surprising. The Wise Guys Contest is like a somewhat lower level Blackjack Ball. It ain't about who's going home with a couple bucks. It's about who outperformed the best in the business and is recognized for doing so.

The original version of the Wise Guys Contest was so named because you had to put your plays in for the following week BEFORE the Stardust posted numbers for that next week. In other words, you had to be a "Wise Guy." There's a long history, as you can read in the 1972 Larry Merchant's "The National Football Lottery" of heavy hitters betting each other on the next week's games before any lines had come out. People would invent lines of their own and see who would bet how much at what line.

And you thought The Wise Guys was about prize money? I mean, c'mon, how stupid are you? I made more money winning that free TopBet NFL contest last year than I'd win in The Wise Guys.

Oh wait, I didn't mention how much I won in TopBet. So you presumed the "display of skill" line meant I won nothing because I said it was a skill display. Holy hell, you are a maroon. You never even looked up how much the TopBet contest winner gets, did you? That's what I mean by opining while lazy.

Here's a thought, account. Know something about something before you opine on it. I know -- radical advice, right?

How can you be such an absolute doofus and slather your posts on the world?

And you decided there's something to it, meaning the Wise Guys? LOL. Every single post I've made on forums regarding sports betting has been factual. Virtually all of them are verifiable. And I'm using my real name.

Good to know, regarding The Wise Guys, that you think "there's something to it." Maybe tomorrow you can bless us with your take on cancer, UFOs, and AI.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg, the level of the people you frequently quote and align yourself with is most telling. You aren't doing yourself any favors.

Singer, blackhole, punkcity over at Gambling forums.... The administrator at GF.

Maybe you are not familiar with the history of Gambling Forums. The forum began with the administrator labeling many known and respected players in the gambling community as "founding members", when the fact is most of those founding members never even signed up, nor posted there.

The second thing Gambling forums did was start threads with discussion lifted from other forums, making it look like the discussion were taking place at GF. In the blackjack section, most of the discussion were "lifted" from Norm's blackjack forum. Norm complained and rightfully so, did his usual threaten to sue and eventually Gambling forums inserted some kind of small disclaimer. But only after Norm repeatedly raised hell. Initially they "lifted" entire discussions making it look as if they took place at Gambling forums. So that forum was born out of complete dishonesty and deception.

But despite that beginning, somehow in the mid 2010's, there were a significant number of legitimate, real AP's participating there, myself, mickeycrimm, axelwolf, Jbjb, RS_ (not to be confused with Rob Singer), and a number of others I am forgetting. And then things blew up. I forget exactly what occurred, but it was some accusation involving the owner. Something about how he had used information obtained as owner/administrator of a website (he run many websites) to then stalk a female from the website in Florida. Maybe mickey or someone remembers the details. I don't remember or even know what was true or not, but I know it concerned enough of us that there was a mass Exodus among the real AP crowd.

So that is who you are aligning yourself with in this case.

[MDawg]

The main reason I keep up with the pressure on this high pitched whiner, is as an exercise in analysis of his persona. You have to admit, besides being fun and games, it's fascinating to encounter such a lost soul who tries so hard to stick to the same lying script, and doesn't give up even after repeated failures to convince people of whatever it is he's trying to convince people of. Yes there are a lot of liars out there, but one who keeps at it, pretending (or maybe even believing?) that he's making headway, is more rare.

Just trying to make headway through his tortured posts, is hard - but the gist is that he doesn't know quite how to respond to that he's been outed and lost all credibility, so he comes back with some nonsense about how people attack the UNKewl one to try to make themselves seem more credible. Back of all this though, is that he's been lying since Day One - about everything - and finally was forced to cop to at least some of his lies.


Posts regarding the hypocritical UNKewLyingJ that date back to before I even started posted on any of these forums, include, in addition to Norm's and many others:


Here, about how KJ is not just a liar, but a hypocritical one who claims that he'd never make personal attacks (sound familiar? ):

James40 on KJ: This whiny snowflake attention whore doesn’t get what he feels is the appropriate attention from me and gets his feelings hurt…

“And people well mostly James40, mocked me, so now I share those updates in private when people ask. I still am having trouble with that. Mocking someone over their recovery from open heart surgery. I know the world's changing, going to hell, but, I don't know.... ”

The whiny bitch goes on...

“I mean look at James40's opening post to this thread where he says "no health updates?". I am recovering from open heart surgery and he mocks me and my recovery from such a major health crisis. That is about the lowest thing I can think of. I don't know that I have ever been a part of anything that low, anywhere. But that's what vegas casino talk is I guess.”

Never been part of anything that low. What bullshit…

Here’s his quotes to a guy that says he’s dying of cancer…

“Where is blackhole? hopefully he kicked. ”

The asshole adds a smiley face….

Then the prick adds to the same cancer victim…

“Fuck you asshole. Die already!”.

Never been part of anything that low? You can tell a cancer victim to die and I’m mocking you by not buying your fucking attention whoring posts? Fuck you, lying prick.


BillRyan on KJ: On Smith's site, there were a number of people who admired his ability to weave a story but his credibility was questioned and then shot when he faked his death for reasons that were never clear.
Fool me once, and all of that. I remember a series of private messages I had with the man who came to the board to tell us of his death. Of course it turned out that I was talking to KJ himself. Sad, when I think about it.

I mean who does that - not just fakes his own death but then appears via sock puppet pretending to be the messenger. That's a twisted person for sure, how did someone like that even get away with having a handful of people believing anything he had to say?

[accountinquestion]

Mdawg has actually posted pictures where you always come up with silly excuse. Come'on man.

Mdawg has posted picture that prove he has or come from money. I don't know that anyone has ever disputed that. I think both Axelwolf and Dan Druff has suggested that it probably isn't as wealthy as he wants people to believe, but I honestly don't care about that. It makes no difference to me if he is the kind of England (or Egypt) or a long-lost member of the Kennedy clan.

Yet you just said this ..

The one question which this nut guy Petey MacDouche asked today and I have been asking for a while now, and several others, like MrV have also asked is: does it make any sense at all, that a wealthy dude, born into a wealthy family, who now claims to have won multiple millions of dollar from the casinos on top of that, spends ALL his time obsessing over me, a mid-level advantage player?

Anyway this speaks for itself.

Please start existing in reality.

... and get help ...

[kewlJ]

Imagine if this guy Mdawg was an attorney and he billed himself attorney rates for all the time he spends searching through forums, up to 10 years ago, looking for something he can use in his ongoing trolling of me.

Mdawg rather than this obsessive ongoing attempt to discredit me, how about we get back to you (1) spreading $100-$5000, (2) playing double deck, (3) at a strip property, (4) for 10 straight hours (5) while winning $60,000. tell us some more about how the very pit critters that would have lost their jobs for allowing any player to do this, simply patted you on the back and told you how great you are. 5 huge whoppers in one single claim.

But before that another question: during this July, the hottest month since I have been in Vegas, what does the electric bill run for cooling the "mid 7 figure mansion" that you claim you purchased in Las Vegas several years ago.

Yeah, you have credibility coming out the ass, Mdawg. You are giving Singer a run for his "prop" money.