Professional Sportsbetting

[kewlJ]

If so, KJ is a killer negotiator and for his first-time sports bonus hunting offshore in this day and age

I didn't "negotiate" anything. I have told you this several times now. I simple received some good offers based on losing history for several years recreationally sports betting. And one of the offers was a second offer. I said I wasn't interested in the first offer and they came back with a better one.

I do realize this probably isn't sustainable going forward. I don't expect similar offers from any of these 4 books (although I am hopeful). And if the next offers aren't good and I don't think I can make money without eating through the bonuses, this will probably be my one and only venture into +EV bonus whoring, because I am not going to go sportsbook shopping and try to figure out what books are legit and which will screw you come withdrawal time.

[kewlJ]

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

[Treeshade]

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

The only whoring you are doing takes place in the Vegas bathrooms as you troll for Daddy Dick fraud

[MaxPen]

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

I know next to nothing about online sports betting but it's sounding like MDawg is going to have another lie to add to the list .....RIP

[AxelWolf]

If so, KJ is a killer negotiator and for his first-time sports bonus hunting offshore in this day and age

I didn't "negotiate" anything. I have told you this several times now. I simple received some good offers based on losing history for several years recreationally sports betting. And one of the offers was a second offer. I said I wasn't interested in the first offer and they came back with a better one.

I do realize this probably isn't sustainable going forward. I don't expect similar offers from any of these 4 books (although I am hopeful). And if the next offers aren't good and I don't think I can make money without eating through the bonuses, this will probably be my one and only venture into +EV bonus whoring, because I am not going to go sportsbook shopping and try to figure out what books are legit and which will screw you come withdrawal time.

Sounds good. I'm still getting silence from everyone so let me ask again. You got 21k in bonuses and needed to roll 100k in action for an average of 4.7 x rollover?

[MaxPen]

Sounds good. I'm still getting silence from everyone so let me ask again. You got 21k in bonuses and needed to roll 100k in action for an average of 4.7 x rollover?

There was no rollover requirement on the 100k jackpot hit with $50 in free play.

[AxelWolf]

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

I know next to nothing about online sports betting but it's sounding like MDawg is going to have another lie to add to the list .....RIP

only having to run 100k on 21k worth of 50%-100% deposit bonuses is pretty unheard of on offshore joints nowadays. Just flipping coins would make that worth around 16k. It's not 16k is some huge amount but if you're just clicking a few buttons in your underwear and you enjoy watching sports that's great. Imagine if you got paid 16k just to watch some Netflix.

[MDawg]

I know next to nothing about online sports betting but it's sounding like MDawg is going to have another lie to add to the list .....RIP

That was already established.

The nineteen most major UNKewl lies I can think of concern (1) his lie about Moses showing up at a condo he claimed he lived at, (2) a condo it turned out that he has no ownership in, (3) his faking his own death, (4) lying about ever having been robbed, (5) the nonsense about MGM execs showing up at his apartment on Halloween to give him player records on someone who isn't even MDawg, (6) the backrooming lawsuit, (7) the lie about being doxxed, or ever having his name placed in any casino database, (8) the rigged shuffler, (9) $50. free play for $100K win on a slot progressive, (10) $50K multi hand VP hit, (11) winning a car, (12) the lie about never asking anyone else to prove anything, (13) the lie about knowing attorney Nersesian well or at all, and having him on "speed dial," (14) lies that made it clear that he has never filed taxes as a professional gambler, (15) fabricated sports bets, (16) lies about that he has calculated his exact "expected win" over a decade and a half period, (17) lies about the "oily" surfboard, (18) lied about whether or not he was gay, (19) the lie about even having a dead "soul mate" which he recanted.

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

REDietz, both you and AccountInQuestion have laid down more than enough evidence to establish that UNKewlJ is lying once again - fabricating all these sports bet.

Guess who said this UNKewlJ?

He's pretty much a pathological liar you can't believe anything he says. But also probably a sociopath and they have no guilt no shame no embarrassment. They simply make up lies to cover the other lies.

Could it be perhaps that well known AP you used to think is on your side?

But it was so well said I decided to just adopt it for myself.

REDietz also just pointed out to me that what UNKewlJ is claiming not only is fabricated and doesn't add up numbers wise, but is likely a composite of activity from different accounts. What I think he means or I mean anyway, is that UNKewlJ is giving himself the lead in a story that is a composite of what happened to more than one person he heard of.

I don't think there was any incident which was lawsuit-worthy, which is why we got so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

or, as I put it

What happened here, is that something happened to someone - to more than one person, and UNKewlJ took it upon himself to put together a composite story about a series of events.

The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

[accountinquestion]

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

I know next to nothing about online sports betting but it's sounding like MDawg is going to have another lie to add to the list .....RIP

only having to run 100k on 21k worth of 50%-100% deposit bonuses is pretty unheard of on offshore joints nowadays. Just flipping coins would make that worth around 16k. It's not 16k is some huge amount but if you're just clicking a few buttons in your underwear and you enjoy watching sports that's great. Imagine if you got paid 16k just to watch some Netflix.

BUT BUT.. didn't you see he bolded the part where he lost? The math, baby. It is the math.

seriously though .. Kewl only gets the blackjack math right because you can read about it all over the place. Switch the math to something that requires you to figure something out and poor Kewl fails miserably. The poor fella just can't grasp probabilities in a bigger picture. Whether backed with hard math or intuition. He just can't.

He should have just chose an existing online deal and maybe sweetened it up a bit. I didn't even bother paying attention to this claim because as well all know ....

RIP

[accountinquestion]

Are you calling FraudJ a liar? Say it isn't so...lol

You are fucked up in the head, Maxpen. A trolling little bitch you are. Nothing more.

I announced back at the start of September what I was doing with the bonus whoring. What bonuses I got and how much I needed to wager (rollover).

I announced what I would be betting. Half Smokes first two weeks NFL under dogs, Dan Druff's picks and some, away underdogs and some +3.5, +7.5 games. as well as some of my own picks.

I announced each freaking week how I was doing, from jumping out to a good start after 2 weeks (thanks Half smoke and Dan Druff), to slowly coming back towards .500 and finally dropping under .500 this last weekend.

Nobody had a problem with what I was doing except Redietz who wanted to argue over some terminology. Mickeycrimm can confirm this as he seemed interested enough to have followed along.

Now I am finished, having finished below expectation, but still showed a nice little profit and all of the sudden the haters are coming out of the woodwork. Well just fuck off dude. You really are a little bitch MaxPen. You are as big, if not bigger a internet troll than Singer or Mdawg. You really are.

The mental illness in this post is striking.

You can tell the guy loves the idea of being persecuted .. he just swims in it.

Funny how you've gotten under his skin tho, max.

[Don Perignom]

No money in sports, everyone's solid.

[cyberbabble]

I don't understand this either. "You got 21k in bonuses and needed to roll 100k in action for an average of 4.7 x rollover?"

10x D+B at 100%, a 3k deposit gets you an extra 3k. Assuming you always finish your Wagering requirements the EV will be just under $300.

With 100% bonus, 10x roll on deposit+bonus, -110 on a 50/50 proposition, the EV is about 10% of the deposit amount. This is pretty much the standard offshore offer these days. I get the same EV with my calculation.

This would require a $200K deposit to clear $20k in bonus amount. It would require 10*($200K + $200K) in betting action to play through a 10x rollover.

I understand that with better bonus offers there would give a better EV than 10%. Even with extremely good bonus offers, it would require a large initial deposit to get $20k in bonus money. For example, if we keep everything the same except use 5x rollover instead of 10x rollover I calculate a $50K deposit would be needed to get about $25K in bonus released.

KJs story is very confusing to me.

[AxelWolf]

No money in sports, everyone's solid.

There's definitely money in sports but it's no easy.

I recently ran a few bonus accounts up in to the 10's of thousands. I still had a significant amount of wagering requirements left. I could sit around spending time trying to find value bets while grinding week after week.

Or, I could give a +EV sports bettor a small discount and lock 90% of my profits while giving them a 10% discount on something they're are doing anyways. I thought it was a no Brainer. Obviously not everyone is in a position to set up a deal like that.

[MaxPen]

Looks like FraudJ's attempt at reinventing himself is failing miserably...

Maybe the next episode of As the Tunnel Turns will be more believable....RIP

[Don Perignom]

Or, I could give a +EV sports bettor a small discount and lock 90% of my profits while giving them a 10% discount on something they're are doing anyways. I thought it was a no Brainer. Obviously not everyone is in a position to set up a deal like that.

Those are the angles that separate pros from hobbyists, but I chose gambling to avoid people .

[mickeycrimm]

Lunch next week will feature some debunking of the Walters how-to chapters -- what he has right, what he has wrong. Why the chapters' context is faulty, which is why he probably included them. He knew, of course. A little bit of math will be involved, which is fine since folks who taught college stats will be at the lunch. I'll post the location in case you can make it.

Have a good one.

Bump.

So how did the follow-up session go?

What did you debunk in Walter's "how-to" chapters on sports betting?

What did Walters have wrong?

What was faulty in his "how-to?"

Was the press there for the follow up?

Bump again. redietz, how did the follow up go? What press was there? Tell us what Walters was wrong about. What is faulty in his strategy?

[kewlJ]

only having to run 100k on 21k worth of 50%-100% deposit bonuses is pretty unheard of on offshore joints nowadays. Just flipping coins would make that worth around 16k. It's not 16k is some huge amount but if you're just clicking a few buttons in your underwear and you enjoy watching sports that's great. Imagine if you got paid 16k just to watch some Netflix.

Axelwolf, are you not understanding, or just trying to give me a hard time? I am not going to keep explaining what I do every time the trolls and KJ haters (including MaxPen) get their panties all twisted up over me.

I have been betting sports for many years. It is not +EV for me. I like watching sports. It is what I do for entertainment. And I like having a little money on games that don't involve my favorite teams. Makes it worth watching for me. Despite being -EV activity, the true cost of wagering $50 or $100 on 20 games a week is a few dollars. Basically what it would cost to go to a cheap restaurant and movie. ENTERTAINMENT type money!!

Now because of this history of being a losing sports bettor for a number of years, I get offers that are better than the offers on the websites. Higher bonuses and lower rollovers. Just the same way brick and mortar casinos work. Based on player history, some players might get better offers.

So I have known for a while, a number of years that mathematically, the offers that I was receiving, with higher bonuses and low rollovers was mathematically +EV. Very strong +EV. But I have never wanted to get involved because of my distrust of online casinos and actually getting paid.

This year with all the sports betting chatter, including YOU saying that at least some casinos were reliable and trustworthy, I decided to give it a go. Based on my bonuses and low rollover, my math, which was similar but not exactly the same as mickeycrimm did for my play, had me turning the 21k bonuses into about 17-18k as long as I didn't run really bad.

So that is what I did. I decides to use some of these angles that were being talked about, Half Smokes NFL plays, Dan Druff's NFL play, some picks from some shows I watch and listen to and some of my own picks, playing +3 and +7 points. Add to this the half juice Fridays a t one sportsbooks, and additional free parlay bets and other extras at two more and I was very confident I could make 17k. Turns out I managed to come in below that at 15k. Still good. Still +EV. Still profit and basically free money, based on what I was receiving.

Now like I said, I got better offers than you will see on the websites of the books I used. Not because I am some kind of high roller, or even negotiated a great deal (which players can do), but simply because of my history as a losing player. I am not particularly proud of that, but it worked for me in this case.

Now I am not going to presume to get the same offers and deal, when I try this again at these sportsbooks. As I matter of fact, I am expecting that I won't. And if the offers are not good enough, I won't do this again. This will have been a one and done deal for me. Because I am not going to go searching bonuses and researching sportsbook, trying to figure out who is legit and trustworthy and who isn't.

I took advantage of what was offered me, that was very +EV based on my history. and although on the negative side of variance, did well and am happy with the results, assuming the final couple withdrawals go through with no issue. End of story. Except for Maxpen and the KJ haters and trolls, foaming at the mouth.

[MaxPen]

only having to run 100k on 21k worth of 50%-100% deposit bonuses is pretty unheard of on offshore joints nowadays. Just flipping coins would make that worth around 16k. It's not 16k is some huge amount but if you're just clicking a few buttons in your underwear and you enjoy watching sports that's great. Imagine if you got paid 16k just to watch some Netflix.

Axelwolf, are you not understanding, or just trying to give me a hard time? I am not going to keep explaining what I do every time the trolls and KJ haters (including MaxPen) get their panties all twisted up over me.

I have been betting sports for many years. It is not +EV for me. I like watching sports. It is what I do for entertainment. And I like having a little money on games that don't involve my favorite teams. Makes it worth watching for me. Despite being -EV activity, the true cost of wagering $50 or $100 on 20 games a week is a few dollars. Basically what it would cost to go to a cheap restaurant and movie. ENTERTAINMENT type money!!

Now because of this history of being a losing sports bettor for a number of years, I get offers that are better than the offers on the websites. Higher bonuses and lower rollovers. Just the same way brick and mortar casinos work. Based on player history, some players might get better offers.

So I have known for a while, a number of years that mathematically, the offers that I was receiving, with higher bonuses and low rollovers was mathematically +EV. Very strong +EV. But I have never wanted to get involved because of my distrust of online casinos and actually getting paid.

This year with all the sports betting chatter, including YOU saying that at least some casinos were reliable and trustworthy, I decided to give it a go. Based on my bonuses and low rollover, my math, which was similar but not exactly the same as mickeycrimm did for my play, had me turning the 21k bonuses into about 17-18k as long as I didn't run really bad.

So that is what I did. I decides to use some of these angles that were being talked about, Half Smokes NFL plays, Dan Druff's NFL play, some picks from some shows I watch and listen to and some of my own picks, playing +3 and +7 points. Add to this the half juice Fridays a t one sportsbooks, and additional free parlay bets and other extras at two more and I was very confident I could make 17k. Turns out I managed to come in below that at 15k. Still good. Still +EV. Still profit and basically free money, based on what I was receiving.

Now like I said, I got better offers than you will see on the websites of the books I used. Not because I am some kind of high roller, or even negotiated a great deal (which players can do), but simply because of my history as a losing player. I am not particularly proud of that, but it worked for me in this case.

Now I am not going to presume to get the same offers and deal, when I try this again at these sportsbooks. As I matter of fact, I am expecting that I won't. And if the offers are not good enough, I won't do this again. This will have been a one and done deal for me. Because I am not going to go searching bonuses and researching sportsbook, trying to figure out who is legit and trustworthy and who isn't.

I took advantage of what was offered me, that was very +EV based on my history. and although on the negative side of variance, did well and am happy with the results, assuming the final couple withdrawals go through with no issue. End of story. Except for Maxpen and the KJ haters and trolls, foaming at the mouth.

Tell us about the 3 card monte games you see in the tunnels on your way in and out to turn tricks in the El Cortez restroom.

[accountinquestion]

If you guys don't go easy on Kewl he is going to math you to death.

[AxelWolf]

only having to run 100k on 21k worth of 50%-100% deposit bonuses is pretty unheard of on offshore joints nowadays. Just flipping coins would make that worth around 16k. It's not 16k is some huge amount but if you're just clicking a few buttons in your underwear and you enjoy watching sports that's great. Imagine if you got paid 16k just to watch some Netflix.

Axelwolf, are you not understanding, or just trying to give me a hard time? I am not going to keep explaining what I do every time the trolls and KJ haters (including MaxPen) get their panties all twisted up over me.

I have been betting sports for many years. It is not +EV for me. I like watching sports. It is what I do for entertainment. And I like having a little money on games that don't involve my favorite teams. Makes it worth watching for me. Despite being -EV activity, the true cost of wagering $50 or $100 on 20 games a week is a few dollars. Basically what it would cost to go to a cheap restaurant and movie. ENTERTAINMENT type money!!

Now because of this history of being a losing sports bettor for a number of years, I get offers that are better than the offers on the websites. Higher bonuses and lower rollovers. Just the same way brick and mortar casinos work. Based on player history, some players might get better offers.

So I have known for a while, a number of years that mathematically, the offers that I was receiving, with higher bonuses and low rollovers was mathematically +EV. Very strong +EV. But I have never wanted to get involved because of my distrust of online casinos and actually getting paid.

This year with all the sports betting chatter, including YOU saying that at least some casinos were reliable and trustworthy, I decided to give it a go. Based on my bonuses and low rollover, my math, which was similar but not exactly the same as mickeycrimm did for my play, had me turning the 21k bonuses into about 17-18k as long as I didn't run really bad.

So that is what I did. I decides to use some of these angles that were being talked about, Half Smokes NFL plays, Dan Druff's NFL play, some picks from some shows I watch and listen to and some of my own picks, playing +3 and +7 points. Add to this the half juice Fridays a t one sportsbooks, and additional free parlay bets and other extras at two more and I was very confident I could make 17k. Turns out I managed to come in below that at 15k. Still good. Still +EV. Still profit and basically free money, based on what I was receiving.

Now like I said, I got better offers than you will see on the websites of the books I used. Not because I am some kind of high roller, or even negotiated a great deal (which players can do), but simply because of my history as a losing player. I am not particularly proud of that, but it worked for me in this case.

Now I am not going to presume to get the same offers and deal, when I try this again at these sportsbooks. As I matter of fact, I am expecting that I won't. And if the offers are not good enough, I won't do this again. This will have been a one and done deal for me. Because I am not going to go searching bonuses and researching sportsbook, trying to figure out who is legit and trustworthy and who isn't.

I took advantage of what was offered me, that was very +EV based on my history. and although on the negative side of variance, did well and am happy with the results, assuming the final couple withdrawals go through with no issue. End of story. Except for Maxpen and the KJ haters and trolls, foaming at the mouth.

Not trolling just trying to figure out what the deal is.

I do find it hard to believe that a guy who's admittedly only given minimal action gets 21k in bonuses with only a 4.7 x rollover. No need to tell me you get better deals when negotiating with your account manager, I bet I told you that in the first place.

I have seen upwards of 20k+ losses and they are unwilling to give even 1k in deposit bonuses with less than a 10x rollover. Yet you, a small bettor managed to get 21k in bonuses with an average of 4.7 x wagering requirements. That's mostly unheard of today on any of the top 20 offshore joints. Obviously a complete big gambling degenerate might get something special.