"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Mickey, from these discussions, I see a lot of similarities between the way sportsbooks (casinos) handle sports bettors they perceive to be winning players and the way casinos handle card counters. Limiting betting amounts, right up to total bannings.
And to no surprise there are limits that a player or bettor can bet that are better tolerated that can enable a player to avoid those bannings and achieve some longevity. Sports bettors have the advantage that they can spread their action on the same game around to get that desired higher amount on a single game. Card counters don't have that....you can't be playing 5 tables at once. Well maybe online, but I am just not familiar with that.
So you can bet game tier according to your card status at Caesar's? Caesar's caters to sucker slot, and sucker table games players only. "Suckers only" at CZR. So your card level tells them everything they need to know:
Gold = small frye sucker fish
Platinum = medium frye sucker fish
Diamond = big sucker fish
Diamond Plus = king guppy sucker fish
Diamond Elite = great big king salmon sucker fish
7 Stars = WHALE
At CZR your card level tells the bookie everything he needs to know about your sucker ass. If you are king guppy or whale at a CZR book they will let you "bet 'em high and sleep in the streets."
Last edited by mickeycrimm; 02-24-2023 at 03:37 PM.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
There was a 3k free bet during super bowl in a new market. I took 25 of my friends and their significant others over to sign up. I also told them to invite another couple. I probably made more on that one play then most of your so called professional handicappers make with zero risk. All without the knowledge you seem to think matters in 2023 to beat sports.
All one really needs is a basic understanding of SIM cards and IMEI masking to not get your accounts locked. Piggy back the bonuses with some whale flipping live window bets and a little negotiating theres unlimited money to make. It’s been this way for a few years. Easy game. O and don’t forget the casino Bonuses on slots. Easier game
I currently have access to 25 seven star cards with player profiles good enough to get down anything you need. These so called pro sports bettors are always looking for beards/runners to bet for them lol. It’s pretty ironic how many times the high horse sports betting types turn to guys like me to help them get down. No different then the “PRO” poker players who are so deep in make up it would make your eyes water. But they still keep telling the world how great they are.
Show your net worth. If you are a winner red over all these years then you should at minimum have 10 million plus.
Funny how once the regs stop doing whatever they're doing for the day and tend to this board they all pile on the doofus that is Redietz.
Redietz if you weren't so condescending you wouldn't have to deal with this and your bullshit would pretty much fly under the radar.
Deep down inside Redietz is probably an ok guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. 5/16/24 he left us. Remember.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Dancer's an LVA guy. Redietz throws their names around as much as he does the Gaming Today folks. I've already found that he neither knows nor talks to anybody there, and no employee has ever heard of him. LVA SHOULD be another story but for some reason it isn't. Red was a regular poster during my time on LVA Sports, and seeing that Anthony Curtis paid Dancer to write articles and I believe published one or two of his books, you would think Dancer was familiar with a contributing "world-class handicapper" or whatever he is.
It's already possible in a few spots. Byron Park, Connecticut is a mile from Port Chester, New York, and Northvale, New Jersey is just 20 miles from there.
Stevensville, Delaware is just 5 miles from Whitehall Manor, Maryland.
Washington DC and Arlington, Virginia are just across the river from each other.
Michigan, Ohio and Indiana come together at Billingstown, Ohio. Easy loop to make.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Won't sustain, my ass. You'll be shut down my ass(One trick ponies might get shut down if they tuck their tales and run and hide) They could end whatever college football advantage you claim to have too.
I have been hearing this (it's ending)BS since the day I started with AP. It's been said about everything, Video poker, slot machines, blackjack, and table games. Griffin, OSN, and Facial Reconigion were going to get us all. And yet it's only gotten BETTER for those hungry enough.
It was the late 90s/early 2000s when online sports bonus opportunities came about. While you were jacking around with Stardust comps, CC drawings, and touting, or whatever The early "sports guys" guys made millions during the online sports peek. I know for a fact one guy made about 750k within a few years. Sure he got burnt for many 10's of thousands. But who cares, that was just part of the rake. Sportsbooks got wise and started to tighten up, but the opportunities were still there, and with more and more places setting up shop. there may have been fewer juicy situations, but more opportunities. Black Friday came and that tossed a wrench into things, but where there's a will, there's a way.
Online bonuses promotions and gimmicks have been going on since the beginning and now 20+ years later they are still going strong. They have even come back with a vengeance. People can make a shit ton in a short period of time instead of waiting years and years honing their handicapping craft with small edges and bets before they are confident enough to bet real money. At least with Bonuses and gimmicks, middling off lines, etc you know exactly where you're at and you can confidently make large or small wagers and you know the money is coming your way.
So keep telling yourself and spreading this false narrative that being a specialized sports handicapper is the only true/real way to beat sports.
There was a brief time in the early 2000's when VP was getting slashed, progressives were going away, promotions were thin, accumulators were disappearing, match plays and coupons were disappearing, Slot club cashback was bad, free play hadn't taken hold and it was a bit rough. During that time, I noticed many guys disappeared. A little while later things came back with a vengeance
It's happening NOW. People have been doing it for years. I'll be willing to make you a Large wager that I can make x amount in a year via sports betting without handicapping and limited-sized bets. IE I can't just make some big bet, win, and claim I won.
Come up with something and we can negotiate the terms.
That's why I said two to three states at a go. You can do the juncture states. But you can't sustain it for any real amounts unless you're playing the extended family game, and that's easy enough for people to identify. So eventually you get cross-referenced and identified. And when that happens, the gig is up.
I get kick out of you, Axelwolf. What makes you think handicappers can't do what you do, in addition to being handicappers? You're one of the 1% of APs who makes money betting sports? Great, but don't sell it as some long-term money-maker because what you do can be shut down tomorrow.
Expanded sports betting is at its beginnings. Using promos and bonuses to hook people. And with all of the Covid-line moves having propped people up for 18 months. And identity tech hasn't been implemented because of Covid. Expanded use of identity tracking was in the pipeline until Covid. It'll be rolled out soon enough. The times (for APs), they are a'changin'. The asteroid is on its way.
Meanwhile, talk about hubris. Handicappers can't do what Axelwolf does because, what, his knowledge is so specialized? His organizational skill so vast that he's running AP Spectre?
The whole point is that a handicapper can do what you do, plus. How can you possibly make the point that APs can outperform handicappers who can do what the APs do? What, you think Billy Walters doesn't have access to every angle, every program, every bit of specialized knowledge, every opportunity you have? Plus he has unlimited expertise at his disposal and reduced vig everywhere. APs engaged in this have no advantage over handicappers doing the same thing. Why would you think that they do?
I'm just going on some of the stange statement you have said in the past.
Of course, handicappers can do it, and they should even be way better at it. There are no arguments there. Here's the thing, with very few rare exceptions, I don't know anyone that beats sports on just pure handicapping period. There are almost no situations where giving up a percentage to a handycrapping tout or service on mainstream sports would yield a profit long-term. Where's the decade of records you've talked about? Who are we talking about?
Can we stop talking about Billy Walters, he started with money, He went broke a number of times, He lost his wife, and ended up in jail only by the grace of God(Trump in this case) did he get out. He's an anomaly a rare duck very few can do what he's done. The next thing you know you're going to be talking about how Magnus Carlsen can make money in chess. Great, Very few people have that ability. And in sports handicapping very few people have the money, knowledge, motivation, dedication, guts, time, and experience to make a living, let alone make a killing.
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Obviously, there are exceptions where people find unique opportunities or they are doing something special but that's not really handicapping.
I'm no sports guru and my math sucks, especially compared to the guys I have seen guys who can scan the boards, and sheets portal and spot a possible mathematical overly opportunity within minutes. They quickly see something that isn't right. I guess in the same way I would instantly notice a casino promotion was super exploitable at first glance, or I might notice a progressive VP meter was +EV without running the numbers.
I don't make a killing betting on sports, I have done well overall. Oftentimes it's not my own stuff I came up with, but good information obtained from others or as a group effort. I did my own handicapping and contest-winning in the 90s and I did well but never had the balls and confidence to bet big. I don't need to be a genius to know a 1k free bet/deposit bonus etc with a 0-3x rollover is a lock.
Let's talk about what a reasonably intelligent person can actually do to make money via sports betting.
Can I ask what your yearly average college handicapping percentage is, and over how many bets? I'm not talking about contests, bonuses, kickbacks free bets, loyalty points, etc.
The greatest handicapper of all time. Never lost. Redietz, can you tell me where this scene was filmed?
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
"Hey, what's your favorite casino game?" someone asked the AP.
"My favorite casino game is the one I'm making the most money off of" answered the AP.
Redietz is stuck on "It's not sustainable."
Hell, nothing is sustainable. I don't think he understands that AP's have been moving on from plays for decades. I couldn't tell you how many promotions I worked. It's got to be dozens or hundreds. I think the longest one I worked was a month. None of those promotions were "sustainable." You just take the money while it lasts and move on.
I worked 3% and 4% video poker (no promotions involved) for about 7 years. The games went extinct.
Video blackjack. Breakeven game with same day cashback as high as 2%. The casinos took a bath on that game especially for dollars. Didn't last that long. Time to move on.
Advantage slot games wear out their shelf life. There's no telling how long a game will last. Some make it a year or two others make it 7 or 8 years. Depends on the popularity of the game. I just seen one casino put in 7 Wolf Run Eclipse. They were gone in 3 months.
I've got pictures of new exploitable games that are so new they are only in a couple of casinos. They'll come my way soon or later. I'll work them while they last.
I seen an opportunity in sportsbetting in Wendover that even a novice could work. No big money because sides and totals were capped at $500. My main gig in Wendover was video blackjack and live poker so I was there anyway and I took the sportsbetting money too. Didn't last long. If I see another opportunity in sportsbetting I may jump on it. How long it lasts ain't part of the equation. I just take the money when it shows. I'm used to moving on.
I've worked hundreds of different plays in 27 years. None of them were "sustainable." You just take the money and move on to the next play.
The thing about promotions and machines is the math is different in every situation. I have to think up the equations. There's about 80 exploitable slot games at present. They all have different configurations. You have to figure all the shit out for each game. So you have to be versatile. Figure the shit out. Make the money while it lasts. Then move on to the next gig.
Sustainable? Nothing is sustainable. We're all going to die someday.
Last edited by mickeycrimm; 02-25-2023 at 02:44 AM.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Serious question for Red or anyone, it's not a trick question. I would assume a pro sports bettor would have some knowledge regarding this. They have various online parlay challenge contests and whatnot(different from a regular football contest) is there or has anyone tried them? I'm wondering if there's any value there. I haven't really taken the time to look into it that much, but I did notice there weren't a bunch of people participating in a few, therefore the pots were not significant. That may be a good thing since it won't attract the sharps/pros or whatever you want to call them. Perhaps you can pick off some small overlay pots with minimal effort. I noticed one where I believe they seed it with house money to get it started.
Red, I got an email from Dancer saying they don't have a studio but they definitely can arrange a pre-show lunch.
They use Zencstr which is similar to Zoom and Skype.
Bob wouldn't have sent this information to me if you had already contacted him. Please contact them as soon as possible at gamblingwithanedge.com and rwmunchkin.com so I don't have to continue to relay messages.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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