Note to Regnis

[accountinquestion]

You're so right you're not a troll. This attempt is so goddam weak it can't even be considered a troll.

Now we could have gotten into an honest discussion about that, that could have benefited many, and many of us could have learned something, except you and other that don't like redietz, some that have even admitted it saying "because he is arrogant and looks and talks down to people", have decided to just gang up on and attack him instead. And now he has turned defensive as would be expected and we are deeper into the usual trolling and attacking that this forum is famous for.

Redietz has never made any attempt at a serious discussion. Never any sort of back and forth. Ask him a serious question that doesn't jive with his nonsense and it is crickets.

Red's main problem is he has no clue what he doesn't know and thats what gets him in trouble.

Now he's trying to suggest he knows some mafia secrets and he would be in danger. At some point I should just feel sorry for him given how hard he tries to impress but then I remember who I am dealing with.

Kewl likes Redietz because they have more in common with each than others on this forum. 2 characters who will the same 2 characters forever.

Although in fairness to Kewl. Kewl does answer questions and loves to share info on blackjack. I do believe he is an expert. I'm not sure about BJ in Vegas being Kewl's source of income or not. Redietz on the other hand never talks about any sorts of specifics. Ask him a tough question and you'll get silence. Kewl will at least make an effort to share. Redietz puts more energy into telling people how they're wrong and it is almost always some bullshit semantical argument he makes.

Redietz's main problem is that, outside of current transient bonus whoring and promotional parlay boosters, every angle that "APs" are using was available and used by handicappers for the last 40 years. Not only that, the mechanics of doing what "APs" are claiming to do to make money across all sports were easier 40 years ago. Much easier. So when "APs" claim to be cruising through sports betting, it's comical. Handicappers have been doing what the current "APs" claim to do, have done it in more favorable environments for doing it, and are aware it's logistically difficult and nowhere near guaranteed. But the crop of "APs" on this site have decided a poor old handicapper doesn't have the savvy to recognize these huge advantages featuring "soft numbers" -- my favorite, "steam chasing" -- gag me with a spoon, and arbitrage.

All of these things were easier 40 years ago, and every handicapper worth his salt was doing them 24/7. Except, for example, we didn't call them "soft numbers" because that's a misnomer. Wrong verbiage there. Middles shooting and arbitrage have existed forever.

The only thing the "APs" have going for them versus an experienced handicapper from 30 years ago are bonuses (gimmickry that will not sustain you), parlay boosters (the percent advantage of which are technically figured incorrectly, by the way, because the comparison should be with straight plays, not other parlays). Programs that alert one to arbitrage or middles were being used by Larry Fletcher (AKA Southern Comfort) before Windows existed. Meanwhile, the current crop of "APs," versus handicappers from 30 years ago, has numerous disadvantages of which they are blithely unaware.

But the narrative, as so beautifully put by account, is that I just don't understand the inner secrets of "AP" sports wagering. They have secrets, abilities, and priorities that can create continual winning across all sports. I just cannot grasp it. I've done what they do, sans bonuses (which I am saving for a rainy day) for 40 years, but I just can't see the opportunities they see.

That's quite a storyline. The secret world of "AP" sports betting. What is it that you maroons do that you think handicappers haven't been doing since the dawn of time, and under better conditions?

If APs thought they could cruise through sports betting then they'd do that instead of whatever they do. It is a lot of work and if you aren't a sports fan it is boring.

You seem to think people aren't limited all over the place if they consistently only get their money in good and or win longterm. This says you're not very worldly when it comes to modern sports betting even though I'm positive you've bet more than I ever have. You actively mock the idea of people being limited when everyone else knows it happens all the time.

Saving bonuses for a rainy day... like who says this shit? As if there is something to be saved? The good promotions won't last. Just another example of being clueless...

You clearly don't know what you're doing in many regards as witnessed by the numerous responses you give over rather mundane things APs have brought up.

And Redietz most of important there is a huge difference in what is available now vs 40 years ago. It is called online sports betting.

[accountinquestion]

I just gave a list of specifics that handicappers have been doing for 40 years. We bonus whore, we arbitrage, we middles shoot. No surprises there. Plus we know something about the teams. Plus we know something about the habits of the betting public. That means we can anticipate the line moves with varying degrees of accuracy once they are first posted.

Now "APs" somehow can do better than we do because...why? They belong to a secret society? They say so? They claim A, B, and C?

Account likes to talk about specifics. I can check off a handful of reasons why middling and/or arbitrage were easier 30 years ago. And the bonuses have been around offshore forever. I once earned 12% interest keeping my money in my offshore account rather than withdrawing it.

This is going to come down to the "APs" claiming they have secret ways of earning money across all sports. That must be it because everything else they do can also be done by handicappers. That's the bottom line. So the "APs" must have gnosis, baby. The secret knowledge. The keys to the universe.

Or more likely not.

I don't recall anyone going on and on about these secrets. It is math. That is what people claim. Math. Handicapping is far more about "secrets" but lets not try to actually represent anything factual. Right, Redietz?

People have repeatedly told you their approaches etc and you pretty much universally dismiss them in some capacity. Who is actually claiming secret knowledge? Oh wait !! I know the answer. It is CRICKETS.

[accountinquestion]

Redietz on the other hand never talks about any sorts of specifics. Ask him a tough question and you'll get silence.

Don't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.

Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.

I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.

So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.

Here is one example. Redietz loves to give his anti EV speech. Ok.. fine.. but then what is it one uses when determining to place a bet that is not a gimmick of some sort? Never got an answer. Nah, he wants to tell you he is too smart to use the phrase EV but offers up nothing in place of it. To this day I've never seen the guy suggest using anything to replace the usage of EV. Ask him about it. Crickets crickets crickets. Every other successful sports bettor won't have an issue with using the phrase EV. And if they did have an issue like Redietz? They'd offer up an alternative but in Redietz's world such things don't exist.

He isn't giving away secrets by not answering. He really just doesn't know much and I suspect he CAN'T answer that.

He does know tho that sports is magick and you can't use a precise term like EV ! whatever dude.

Maybe this example clears it up for you.

[redietz]

Case in point vis-a-vis line moves. I took Seattle ML in the XFL at -124 earlier today. Guess what? I could arbitrage it right now. That's the "advantage" of being a handicapper and knowing the public.

Handicapping isn't some math formula. It's knowing how an organism behaves. People are organisms. Football teams are organisms. Either you know them intimately or you don't. What formula do you use to decide if your parent is ill? What formula do you use to decide if that waitress spit in your food? Sports betting is about predicting the behavior of interacting organisms.

If betting sports were a math formula, everyone would win.

You replace EV with "my opinion is." Because whether you use that EV line, it's still an opinion. It's not some math-circumscribed flipping of coins. You say "in my estimation" or "in my opinion" or "subjectively, I think." If you pretend games are coin flips, you're just wrong. They are not. Sticking with "EV" as some sort of crutch doesn't make it more accurate. The problem with "EV" is that 20 different people can estimate 20 different "EVs," and YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS CORRECT.

Again, cases in point: if you thought NFL totals this last season were coin flips, you were wrong. If you thought NBA home teams this season were coin flips, you were wrong. These aren't the result of blind variance. They are the result of the structure of how the organisms are interacting.

[accountinquestion]

You replace EV with "my opinion is." Because whether you use that EV line, it's still an opinion. It's not some math-circumscribed flipping of coins. You say "in my estimation" or "in my opinion" or "subjectively, I think." If you pretend games are coin flips, you're just wrong. They are not. Sticking with "EV" as some sort of crutch doesn't make it more accurate. The problem with "EV" is that 20 different people can estimate 20 different "EVs," and YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS CORRECT.

It isn't really my "opinion" if I am using a system and a line I acquire elsewhere. I suppose it is but not in a way that makes it worth saying.

Anyway, you're insane. Everyone else knows that sports betting is full of predictions and predictions are always opinions. No one else needs to make these points because they're sane. You? Not so much.

These points you make are so childishly obvious. Of course the way someone calculates the EV of a bet can be completely different and completely wrong. Sharp bettors are smart enough to see past that. They're smart enough to figure out who to listen to and who not to listen to. There are other bits of math related things that might tell you who you should listen to.

... crutch ... just unending nonsense. Pretty sure the guy claiming to have the handicapping magick is needing the crutches more than the others

Love you weirdos.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz on the other hand never talks about any sorts of specifics. Ask him a tough question and you'll get silence.

Don't know what happened to my original response to this, as it disappeared during my edit process. So I will try again.

Dude, you do realize that MOST AP's, whether professional playing for a living or recreational, but playing seriously, rarely get too specific about what they do. There is a good reason for that.

I am in a liile bit of a different boat, since what I do, card counting is completely known by everyone, casinos included. Nothing new here, so I can't get into too much trouble describing some of what I do. I can get into a little trouble being too specific about some of the ways I apply different things that allows for longevity, which is why I only reveal some of that.

So I don't know why you are giving redeitz shit for something almost all AP, and winning players do...not get too specific or share everything they do.

What ditz does is also widely known.

[mickeycrimm]

Redietz's main problem is that, outside of current transient bonus whoring and promotional parlay boosters, every angle that "APs" are using was available and used by handicappers for the last 40 years. Not only that, the mechanics of doing what "APs" are claiming to do to make money across all sports were easier 40 years ago. Much easier. So when "APs" claim to be cruising through sports betting, it's comical. Handicappers have been doing what the current "APs" claim to do, have done it in more favorable environments for doing it, and are aware it's logistically difficult and nowhere near guaranteed. But the crop of "APs" on this site have decided a poor old handicapper doesn't have the savvy to recognize these huge advantages featuring "soft numbers" -- my favorite, "steam chasing" -- gag me with a spoon, and arbitrage.

All of these things were easier 40 years ago, and every handicapper worth his salt was doing them 24/7. Except, for example, we didn't call them "soft numbers" because that's a misnomer. Wrong verbiage there. Middles shooting and arbitrage have existed forever.

The only thing the "APs" have going for them versus an experienced handicapper from 30 years ago are bonuses (gimmickry that will not sustain you), parlay boosters (the percent advantage of which are technically figured incorrectly, by the way, because the comparison should be with straight plays, not other parlays). Programs that alert one to arbitrage or middles were being used by Larry Fletcher (AKA Southern Comfort) before Windows existed. Meanwhile, the current crop of "APs," versus handicappers from 30 years ago, has numerous disadvantages of which they are blithely unaware.

But the narrative, as so beautifully put by account, is that I just don't understand the inner secrets of "AP" sports wagering. They have secrets, abilities, and priorities that can create continual winning across all sports. I just cannot grasp it. I've done what they do, sans bonuses (which I am saving for a rainy day) for 40 years, but I just can't see the opportunities they see.

That's quite a storyline. The secret world of "AP" sports betting. What is it that you maroons do that you think handicappers haven't been doing since the dawn of time, and under better conditions?

Well this post is confusing and a contradiction, at least to me. On one hand you are saying the things AP's are doing in regard to sports betting are not sustainable. On the other hand, you say that handicappers have been doing these same things for 40 years.

I know you are getting defensive here, and it is understandable with these clowns ganging up on you the way they do, when they decide they don't like someone. I suppose there also may be a bit of you, a traditional sports better/handicapper for decades, don't like that some AP's have moved into your territory and as a result you seem to be declaring war on ALL AP's.

Here is something I have mentioned before. I don't see anybody claiming that sports betting via AP methods, math, bonuses, promotions, is something they do singularly for a living. THAT is actually very contradictory to what an advantage player is. Almost all AP's do many different things. So if someone like Axel, or mickey or anyone else is doing something with sports betting that can give them an advantage, it is only a small part of the totality of their advantage play. And like everything else they do, if it is not sustainable and bonues and promotions dry up, they move on to the next advantage play.

According to Strawman Ditz professional gamblers cannot be versatile. He says they spread themselves thin by not specializing. It's an opinion based in ignorance.

And another thing. It's monumentally rich that you, ditz and maxpen went after Singer but then you want to say that others are "ganging up" on Ditz.

Multiple people expressing disagreement with ditz is not ganging up. It's just that ditz' opinion on certain subjects is so out of whack that multiple people have expressed disagreement with it. And ditz doesn't help his cause by continually denigrating AP's with his strawman arguments.

[mickeycrimm]

I just gave a list of specifics that handicappers have been doing for 40 years. We bonus whore, we arbitrage, we middles shoot. No surprises there. Plus we know something about the teams. Plus we know something about the habits of the betting public. That means we can anticipate the line moves with varying degrees of accuracy once they are first posted.

Now "APs" somehow can do better than we do because...why? They belong to a secret society? They say so? They claim A, B, and C?

Account likes to talk about specifics. I can check off a handful of reasons why middling and/or arbitrage were easier 30 years ago. And the bonuses have been around offshore forever. I once earned 12% interest keeping my money in my offshore account rather than withdrawing it.

This is going to come down to the "APs" claiming they have secret ways of earning money across all sports. That must be it because everything else they do can also be done by handicappers. That's the bottom line. So the "APs" must have gnosis, baby. The secret knowledge. The keys to the universe.

Or more likely not.

AP's have not said they can do a better job than you. You made that shit up, strawman.

BTW, when they were in the American market, Party Poker used to pay 12% interest to accounts.

[mickeycrimm]

Case in point vis-a-vis line moves. I took Seattle ML in the XFL at -124 earlier today. Guess what? I could arbitrage it right now. That's the "advantage" of being a handicapper and knowing the public.

Handicapping isn't some math formula. It's knowing how an organism behaves. People are organisms. Football teams are organisms. Either you know them intimately or you don't. What formula do you use to decide if your parent is ill? What formula do you use to decide if that waitress spit in your food? Sports betting is about predicting the behavior of interacting organisms.

If betting sports were a math formula, everyone would win.

You replace EV with "my opinion is." Because whether you use that EV line, it's still an opinion. It's not some math-circumscribed flipping of coins. You say "in my estimation" or "in my opinion" or "subjectively, I think." If you pretend games are coin flips, you're just wrong. They are not. Sticking with "EV" as some sort of crutch doesn't make it more accurate. The problem with "EV" is that 20 different people can estimate 20 different "EVs," and YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS CORRECT.

Again, cases in point: if you thought NFL totals this last season were coin flips, you were wrong. If you thought NBA home teams this season were coin flips, you were wrong. These aren't the result of blind variance. They are the result of the structure of how the organisms are interacting.

If you can't calculate the edge then how do you know you have an edge?

[mickeycrimm]

But you are so obsessed with me, and so desperately seek and need my attention that you have returned here, A FORUM YOU SAID YOU WOULD NEVER POST IN AGAIN. Pathetic Ron, just really, really pathetic.

LOL! How many times has KJ said he would never post in this forum again?

Where would you put the over/under?

I put it at 37.

[Ozzy]

But you are so obsessed with me, and so desperately seek and need my attention that you have returned here, A FORUM YOU SAID YOU WOULD NEVER POST IN AGAIN. Pathetic Ron, just really, really pathetic.

LOL! How many times has KJ said he would never post in this forum again?

Where would you put the over/under?

I put it at 37.

Sounds pretty accurate to me.

[Rob.Singer]

I'm just disappointed that he and his twit baby bro both challenged me on GF to tell them what foolish degenerate liars & losers I know kew's entire clan is TO THEIR FACES the next time I was in town, so I told them I'D DO EXACTLY THAT by giving them a date, time and location (Sun. Feb.19 @ Circus Circus Steakhouse). Yet NEITHER of these cowards showed up!

They have now become proud members of the group of chickenshit lying big mouths (maxpen, Dan, redietz, MrV, kew, baby bro) who have all cowered away from meeting up with me face-to-face, basically to shove their collection of envious lies right back into their faces.

Gob bless their tiny little safe spaces....

[mickeycrimm]

Handicapping isn't some math formula. It's knowing how an organism behaves. People are organisms. Football teams are organisms. Either you know them intimately or you don't. What formula do you use to decide if your parent is ill? What formula do you use to decide if that waitress spit in your food? Sports betting is about predicting the behavior of interacting organisms.

If betting sports were a math formula, everyone would win.

You replace EV with "my opinion is." Because whether you use that EV line, it's still an opinion. It's not some math-circumscribed flipping of coins. You say "in my estimation" or "in my opinion" or "subjectively, I think." If you pretend games are coin flips, you're just wrong. They are not. Sticking with "EV" as some sort of crutch doesn't make it more accurate. The problem with "EV" is that 20 different people can estimate 20 different "EVs," and YOU DON'T KNOW WHO IS CORRECT

Football player = organism
Horse = organism

Bill Benter made almost a billion dollars betting horses using nothing but computer based analysis. His story is well known in the gambling world. He uses statistics and probability to find ineffeciencies in the odds. That's the same as a professional sports bettor looking for "weak lines." Due to the wealth he created betting horses he's also a philanthropist. Here's his wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Benter

And here's his book on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/Computer-Base.../dp/B088VTZ1PT

"Bill Benter did the impossible: He wrote an algorithm that couldn’t lose at the track. Close to a billion dollars later, he tells his system.

This book examines the elements necessary for a practical and successful computerized horse race handicapping and wagering system. Data requirements, handicapping model development, wagering strategy, and feasibility are addressed. A logit-based technique and a corresponding heuristic measure of improvement are described for combining a fundamental handicapping model with the public's implied probability estimates. The author reports significant positive results in five years of actual implementation of such a system. This result can be interpreted as evidence of inefficiency in pari-mutuel racetrack wagering. This paper aims to emphasize those aspects of computer handicapping which the author has found most important in practical application of such a system.

Also included the Bill Benter "What Are My Odds?" Presentation at ICCM in 2004Bill Benter did the impossible: He wrote an algorithm that couldn’t lose at the track. Close to a billion dollars later, he tells his system.

This book examines the elements necessary for a practical and successful computerized horse race handicapping and wagering system. Data requirements, handicapping model development, wagering strategy, and feasibility are addressed. A logit-based technique and a corresponding heuristic measure of improvement are described for combining a fundamental handicapping model with the public's implied probability estimates. The author reports significant positive results in five years of actual implementation of such a system. This result can be interpreted as evidence of inefficiency in pari-mutuel racetrack wagering. This paper aims to emphasize those aspects of computer handicapping which the author has found most important in practical application of such a system."

Ditz, perhaps you could read the book and give us a review about how this self-made millionaire doesn't know jackshit about handicapping.

[MisterV]

They have now become proud members of the group of chickenshit lying big mouths (maxpen, Dan, redietz, MrV, kew, baby bro) who have all cowered away from meeting up with me face-to-face, basically to shove their collection of envious lies right back into their faces. Gob bless their tiny little safe spaces....

Don't drag me into your little morality play, boyo, especially via lies like you're once again promulgating.

You claim I "cowered away from meeting you:" bullshit, never happened.

What did in fact happen was that you posted that you would be in Pacific City, on the Oregon coast, driving a Dodge Charger, and you said I could meet you at the brew pup on the coast north of Lincoln City, in Pacific City.

I responded, quite clearly, that no, I had no intention or desire to do that; I counter-offered, saying that if you wanted to meet me then we could meet at Chinook Winds Casino.

Just as I declined your invitation to meet you at the brew pup, you declined mine to meet me at the casino: stalemate.

So let me ask you this: how does this justify you describing me as "chickenshit?"

How have I "cowered?"

In all candor: what do you possibly have, or what might you have possibly done in the real world that would make me "envious" of you?

Nada.

You describe me as a "lying big mouth" due to my refusal to believe your claims; I call my refusal to believe you as an exercise in discernment.

Rob, you didn't win $1.5M on one VP bet: never happened: liar, liar, keyboard on fire.

[kewlJ]

They have now become proud members of the group of chickenshit lying big mouths (maxpen, Dan, redietz, MrV, kew, baby bro) who have all cowered away from meeting up with me face-to-face, basically to shove their collection of envious lies right back into their faces.

Gob bless their tiny little safe spaces....

As usual, Rob is using revisionist alternative reality. None of these things happened, here in the real world. What took place in Rob's alternative reality....I have no idea.

Everyone saw what occurred with Dan Druff and MaxPen on the meetups. Despite anything Rob now says, in the real world it was Rob who reneged on these meetups.

Redietz prosed meeting with Rob for some kind of interview but he had terms in his proposal which didn't happen. So there was NO agreement to meet up.

I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.

I most certainly never agree to meet Rob anywhere. I wouldn't waste 10 minutes to drive to South Point to witness the Maxpen-Rob fiasco where Rob supposedly showed up 2 hours ahead of the agreed time. If I had been in the casino at that time when I read about it, I wouldn't have wasted 90 seconds walking across the casino floor.

Now my brother over at GF, tired of Rob Singers lies about him and our family, did get heated and challenged Rob to come say these things to his face. But first, I, nor my brother know nothing about Rob at Circus Circus (figures that is about the type of place Rob frequents). Never read a thing about it until after the fact (Rob's usual M.O). But had I known, I wouldn't have shown as I already stated above, I wouldn't waste 90 seconds on this guy.

AND I wouldn't have allowed my brother to show up either. Not exactly sure how I could have stopped him if his mind was set, but I would have stopped him. You see here in Nevada, along with most states, there is a law against physical confrontation with elders. I think the age is 60. If two guys, one over 60 and one under get into a physical altercation, the younger guy is wrong in the eyes of the law and will be charged regardless of anything else. And there is no stipulation that someone can wave that protection, so don't even go there. Rob like the coward that he is and has proven to be many times is exploiting this abnormality in the law. He can say whatever he wants and no one can do shit, because he demented old man.

[MisterV]

I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.

You misremember as to the distance between the brew pub and Chinook Winds casino.

Pacific City is not "hours" away from Lincoln City, it is one half hour away: the distance was not the issue.

As I later explained to Rob one reason I chose not to motor north to kiss his ring was because I felt he'd probably blow me off as he's done to others and that he'd then somehow try to spin it to his perceived advantage on these forums: the man has a Machiavellian mind.

Me, I prefer to confine my games to the casino floor.

I wouldn't mind meeting Rob, although I suspect we'd have little in common to discuss: not afraid, but not particularly interested either, and he seems to feel the same about me.

[kewlJ]

You misremember as to the distance between the brew pub and Chinook Winds casino.

Pacific City is not "hours" away from Lincoln City, it is one half hour away: the distance was not the issue.

As I later explained to Rob one reason I chose not to motor north to kiss his ring was because I felt he'd probably blow me off as he's done to others and that he'd then somehow try to spin it to his perceived advantage on these forums: the man has a Machiavellian mind.

Me, I prefer to confine my games to the casino floor.

I wouldn't mind meeting Rob, although I suspect we'd have little in common to discuss: not afraid, but not particularly interested either, and he seems to feel the same about me.

You are nit picking MrV, but Ok, I stand corrected....half hour rather than several hours. The more important thing is the part of your post I highlighted. Whether several hours, 1/2 hour or 5 minutes, people don't want to be bothered wasting ANY time to meet Rob, who will not show or bizarrely claim he showed two hours early or whatever game he is playing that day. It is a case of the boy who cried wolf. Gets to a point, no one can even be bothered any more.

[Rob.Singer]

They have now become proud members of the group of chickenshit lying big mouths (maxpen, Dan, redietz, MrV, kew, baby bro) who have all cowered away from meeting up with me face-to-face, basically to shove their collection of envious lies right back into their faces.

Gob bless their tiny little safe spaces....

As usual, Rob is using revisionist alternative reality. None of these things happened, here in the real world. What took place in Rob's alternative reality....I have no idea.

Everyone saw what occurred with Dan Druff and MaxPen on the meetups. Despite anything Rob now says, in the real world it was Rob who reneged on these meetups.

Redietz prosed meeting with Rob for some kind of interview but he had terms in his proposal which didn't happen. So there was NO agreement to meet up.

I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.

I most certainly never agree to meet Rob anywhere. I wouldn't waste 10 minutes to drive to South Point to witness the Maxpen-Rob fiasco where Rob supposedly showed up 2 hours ahead of the agreed time. If I had been in the casino at that time when I read about it, I wouldn't have wasted 90 seconds walking across the casino floor.

Now my brother over at GF, tired of Rob Singers lies about him and our family, did get heated and challenged Rob to come say these things to his face. But first, I, nor my brother know nothing about Rob at Circus Circus (figures that is about the type of place Rob frequents). Never read a thing about it until after the fact (Rob's usual M.O). But had I known, I wouldn't have shown as I already stated above, I wouldn't waste 90 seconds on this guy.

AND I wouldn't have allowed my brother to show up either. Not exactly sure how I could have stopped him if his mind was set, but I would have stopped him. You see here in Nevada, along with most states, there is a law against physical confrontation with elders. I think the age is 60. If two guys, one over 60 and one under get into a physical altercation, the younger guy is wrong in the eyes of the law and will be charged regardless of anything else. And there is no stipulation that someone can wave that protection, so don't even go there. Rob like the coward that he is and has proven to be many times is exploiting this abnormality in the law. He can say whatever he wants and no one can do shit, because he demented old man.

From page 58 on GF, Jan.24, 2023, 4th para. and in a reply to kew: --- "Baby bro" wants me to come over there so I can tell you homos what losers you are and bitch slap the "both" of you? Hey, anyone having a problem with me comes over here. I'll say any and all of this to your wussy faces at ANY location. In fact, if you're too yellow to be here, I'll be in town on Feb. 19th for dinner at 6:30pm at the Circus Circus Steakhouse.---
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Too bad kew, you got caught in another of your habitual lies again! And all it takes is posting one of a million to wreck whatever credibility you like to think you have inside that puny crossed-wires head of yours.

[MisterV]

Not to pick nits unduly, KJ, but I don't think my clarification was in fact nit picking as you initially seemed to think I didn't want to meet him because of the travel distance involved.

[Rob.Singer]

I have no recollection of MrV ever agreeing to meet Rob anywhere. Fairly recently, maybe the end of last summer when Rob was in MrV's neck of the woods, Rob proposed meeting for a beer or something. Seemed like friendly meetup to me. MrV said no that was too far and suggested a place closer to him. (who could blame MrV for not wanting to drive hours to have Rob no-show as he routinely does). So they never agreed on anything that I am aware for this friendly meetup.

You misremember as to the distance between the brew pub and Chinook Winds casino.

Pacific City is not "hours" away from Lincoln City, it is one half hour away: the distance was not the issue.

As I later explained to Rob one reason I chose not to motor north to kiss his ring was because I felt he'd probably blow me off as he's done to others and that he'd then somehow try to spin it to his perceived advantage on these forums: the man has a Machiavellian mind.

Me, I prefer to confine my games to the casino floor.

I wouldn't mind meeting Rob, although I suspect we'd have little in common to discuss: not afraid, but not particularly interested either, and he seems to feel the same about me.

Kudos to you for catching kew telling YET ANOTHER lie!

If you remember, we drove to Oregon and I invited you for dinner at Pelican Pub in Pacific City. You said you had an interest in muscle cars and we were returning from a trip to Maine in my 1005hp Hennessy Hellcat Charger, so I thought you'd like a quick look and/or ride, with dinner on us as I offered. You proceeded to try and change the location to a casino in Lincoln City for who knows why, when I just drove thousands of miles compared to less than 200 round trip for you. And how much further or closer is Pac City from your home anyway?

So YES, you 100% DO belong in the cowardly group I mentioned.