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  1. #221
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    I'm not understanding what the issue is here, he has given you permission to do so. But, let's assume there is an issue. I don't know all the ins' and outs of the Doxing law's but for the most part I don't think they cover the private sharing of that information. It's the mass sharing or public sharing of that information.

    KJ's challenge is basically calling you out to prove you actually know his real name and whatever other information you claim to have.

    There's all kinds of ways you can do that without publicly Doxing him or having any liability.

    Here's the problem we have, I will ask KJ how we could solve the following problem.

    No matter what name and information Rob come up with accurate or not KJ can always deny it. I don't know what actual information was actually reaviled about KJ via MDawg(?)
    I have no real interest or reason to have JK's address or personal information. Perhaps a slight curiosity just for the hell of it should I happen to run into him. I'm certain I have run into KJ's partner a few times, even before I even knew who KJ was. Given that I put two and two together and I believe I may have seen KJ with his husband. I guess it could've been someone else. IIRC I asked KJ something specific and he denied it, but someone else confirmed it. So who knows it doesn't affect me either way.

    Anyways, how can we prove if Rob's information is accurate or not? Is KJ actually going so provide a 3rd party with his ID and SS number in person while showing his ID? Even then that's not even 100% fool proof.
    You're right axel, none of this affects anyone in any way. Kew has this fake phobia that someone's gonna pass his name and picture around to the casinos or something. What kind of no-life would even begin to bother to do that?

    That's why I couldn't care less about this "doxxing" of anybody. It means nothing. Moses did post kew's name on a few forums and according to kew he suddenly supposedly ran into heat shortly thereafter in casinos he says he plays at, but the whole thing sounds like another one of his hoaxes. Just like how Moses supposedly showed up at his residence and kew had to make another one of his phantom police reports about it.

    In addition to my having no interest in posting an anonymous person's real name, I'm not permitted to do so anywhere on the internet. A few years ago kew made a death threat towards me. That was interesting because of the things I could do to him. But instead, I reported the threat to the FBI because it was a resident of Nevada making a written death threat over the internet to someone in another state. My nephew followed up with me and told me kew's background doesn't point to an ability to commit a crime such as that. I learned his name etc. at that time, and I was told and agreed to not divulging anything I learned on the internet or media. I didn't need that "warning" anyway, because I have zero interest in that type of nonsense.

    You're also right the kew would deny anything I say about him, which he does 100% of the time already, even though most of it is just simple common sense.

  2. #222
    Ok, I don't have a lot of time for this crap today, as it is a travel day and I am leaving shortly, so I won't be able to respond to any follow up and have no interest while I am traveling.

    I did just yesterday list Axelwolf as 1 of 5 players and AP that I thought know who I am. That list ranges from an AP that I am friends with and have had over to my home, that other APs know him or should know him, to MaxPen who he and I played at the same table at least twice, to a pretty well known team AP that found me with an interest in recruiting me for his team, to Axelwolf.

    I don't know if Axelwolf isn't remembering but he described me and my partner, mostly my partner to a tee one day, having encountered us outside Eastside Cannery. Of course I denied it on the public forum . He posted a description of my partner, for God sakes. I also encountered Axelwolf at the Lucky dragon Promo. Maybe he didn't see me, but because I though he knew what I looked like at that point I figured he did. But I saw him. My first reaction was "of course that lucky bastard got one of the top spots in line". I figure he has seen me other times as well that maybe I didn't notice him, but who knows. I makes no difference if Axelwolf know me and what I look like or not. I trust he won't be part of any kind of doxxing information situation.

    At first reading of one of his posts today I thought Axel was saying I should show my ID to someone to verify who I was. I was reading on a phone as I was doing other things and I came on here to scream at him, why he would think anyone should do that and what other forum is that that members need to prove who they are with ID and such. Of course, a second reading and that is not what he said. He said I never would do that. Sorry I mistakenly thought you would say something so stupid, Axelwolf.

    Bottom line here is these anti-AP trolls, guys like Singer and Mdawg (who doxxed me twice more yesterday posting my address) and coach belly, seem to be dragging better thinking people towards this idea that someone needs to prove who they are. Do these people not understand the whole concept of an anonymous forum or message board? If members need to prove their identity, you can forget about any real APs or serious players participating.

    People, non AP, anti-AP trolls have pretty much been stalking me and attempting to dox me for years out of some weird hatred of something not even about gambling. I don't mean to disparage the dead, but the late Kevin Keen took his forum fight off the forum and showed up at my home. He isn't here to speak for himself, so I will include that he denies that, but it happened. He actually said he was going to do so and then followed through. Mdawg Doxxed me on another forum. What he thought was my name, address, age, and even a description of my condo, square feet, bedrooms, bathrooms. He too prefaced that by stating he had hired someone to look into me and like two weeks later this doxxing occur. And while I fought to get that removed within 24, hours the damage was done and that information was repeated by both Mdawg and the late Kevin Keen several times, again with no consequences. And Mdawg repeated yet again yesterday. And yes the totality of that doxxing and repeating of information had very real life consequences to my career.

    Challenging Singer over the past couple days to post my name, probably wasn't a smart move. Especially since I explained how I knew he didn't have my real name. That just gets these trolls fired up to continue their searching and stalking. But I just get tired of Singers lies. In this case that there was no police report in my name. He doesn't even freaking know my name, so there is no way he could have even looked. Just more Singer bullshit about an FBI nephew who if there was such a person and he knew my name, this nephew would have put his career in jeopardy to supply Rob with this kind of information. For what? Rob's silly internet BS that has spanned decades now. And yes there is a police report, that is beside the point.

    Look, I am an active AP in this town. I am NOT going to provide ID to anyone. I am NOT going to ever show tax or financial information to anyone. I am NOT going to meet anyone that I don't want to in order to prove something to forum trolls. I am NOT going to lift a finger to prove anything. If these trolls are dragging the normal people including APs in that direction of prove this, prove that.....count me out. I have too much to lose, to play that game.

    I have shared some of what I do and have done over the years. THAT is all you are getting from me. I think any normal people, including most APs, can figure out who is real, who knows what they are talking about, whos claims are consistent (not changed over time), and make sense according to the math and the way things work. And the people that can't figure that out...well they simply don't want to figure it out. They have their mind made up based on something not even about gambling.

    I am leaving for a month long trip very shortly and I am going to make a conscious effort not to even look at this forum. For the most part I have stayed ahead of the casinos and databases, with some problems lately and most of that has been to forum shit. My own stupidity for continuing to participate. I was advise to request from Dan Druff that he remove or hide this thread temporarily, for legal reasons. I hope he does but suspect he won't. I am not trying to have anything removed, just temporarily hide it until the topic of this thread plays out.

    Either way, there will be nothing more form me on this topic until this issue has resolved and I suspect that will be a while.

    Have a good month.
    Last edited by kewlJ; 04-23-2023 at 01:02 PM.

  3. #223
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    Ok, I don't have a lot of time for this crap today, as it is a travel day and I am leaving shortly, so I won't be able to respond to any follow up and have no interest while I am traveling.

    I did just yesterday list Axelwolf of 1 of 5 players and AP that I thought know who I am. That list ranges from an AP that I am friends with and have had over to my home, that other APs know him or should know him, to MaxPen who he and I played at the same table at least twice, to a pretty well known team AP that found me with an interest in recruiting me for his team, to Axelwolf. I don't know if Axelwolf isn't remembering but he described me and my partner, mostly my partner to a tee one day, having encountered us outside Eastside Cannery. Of course I denied it on the public forum . He posted a description of my partner, for God sakes. I also encountered Axelwolf at the Lucky dragon Promo. Maybe he didn't see me, but because I though he knew what I looked like at that point I figured he did. But I saw him. My first reaction was "of course that lucky bastard got one of the top spots in line". I figure he has seen me other times as well that maybe I didn't notice him, but who knows. I makes no difference if Axelwolf know me and what I look like or not. I trust he won't be part of any kind of doxxing information situation.

    At first reading of one of his posts today I thought Axel was saying I should show my ID to someone to verify who I was. I was reading on a phone as I was doing other things and I came on here to scream at him, why he would think anyone should do that and what other forum is that that members need to prove who they are with ID and such. Of course, a second reading and that is not what he said. He said I never would do that. Sorry I mistakenly thought you would say something so stupid, Axelwolf.

    Bottom line here is these anti-AP trolls, guys like Singer and Mdawg (who doxxed me twice more yesterday posting my address) and coach belly, seem to be dragging better thinking people towards this idea that someone needs to prove who they are. Do these people not understand the who concept of an anonymous forum or message board? If members need to prove their identity, you can forget about any real APs or serious players participating.

    People, non AP, anti-AP trolls have pretty much been stalking me and attempting to dox me for years out of some weird hatred of something not even about gambling. I don't mean to disparage the dead, but the late Kevin Keen took his forum fight off the forum and showed up at my home. He isn't here to speak for himself, so I will include that he denies that, but it happened. He actually said he was going to do so and then followed through. Mdawg Doxxed me on another forum. What he thought was my name, address, age, and even a description of my condo, square feet, bedroom, bathroom. He too prefaced that by stating he had hired someone to look into me and like two weeks later this doxxing occur. And while I fought to get that removed within 24, hours the damage was done and that information was repeated by both Mdawg and the late Kevin Keen several times, again with no consequences. And Mdawg repeated yet again yesterday. And yes the totality of that doxxing and repeating of information had very real life consequences to my career.

    Challenging Singer over the past couple days to post my name, probably wasn't a smart move. Especially since I explained how I knew he didn't have my real name. That just gets these trolls fired up to continue their searching and stalking. But I just get tired of Singers lies. In this case that there was no police report in my name. He doesn't even freaking know my name, so there is no way he could have even looked. Just more Singer bullshit about an FBI nephew who if there was such a person and he knew my name, this nephew would have put his career in jeopardy to supply Rob with this kind of information. For what? Rob's silly internet BS that has spanned decades now. And yes there is a police report, that is beside the point.

    Look, I am an active AP in this town. I am NOT going to provide ID to anyone. I am NOT going to ever show tax or financial information to anyone. I am NOT going to meet anyone that I don't want to in order to prove something to forum trolls. I am NOT going to lift a finger to prove anything. If these trolls are dragging the normal people including APs in that direction of prove this, prove that.....count me out. I have too much to lose, to play that game.

    I have shared some of what I do and have done over the years. THAT is all you are getting from me. I think any normal people, including most APs, can figure out who is real, who knows what they are talking about, whos claims are consistent (not changed over time), and make sense according to the math and the way things work. And the people that can't figure that out...well they simply don't want to figure it out. They have their mind made up based on something not even about gambling.

    I am leaving for a month long trip very shortly and I am going to make a conscious effort not to even look at this forum. For the most part I have stayed ahead of the casinos and databases, with some problems lately and most of that has been to forum shit. My own stupidity for continuing to participate. I was advise to request from Dan Druff that he remove or hide this thread temporarily, for legal reasons. I hope he does but suspect he won't. I am not trying to have anything removed, just temporarily hide it until the topic of this thread plays out.

    Either way, there will be nothing more form me on this topic until this issue has resolved and I suspect that will be a while.

    Have a good month.
    ....<How many more times will there be "nothing more from you about this on this forum"??

    Someone who REALLY knows how to keep his mouth shut.......

  4. #224
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    I won't be here again until late May when we get back to Tahoe, but I leave you with this:
    To use a mickeycrimm line: Kettle meet pot.

    Just fuck off Singer.

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  6. #226
    Tableplay, you recommend the Real One, but I recommend the Proud Ones (1956).
    Good Music and a really good Western, if you like movies from that era.


  7. #227
    Originally Posted by monet View Post
    Tableplay, you recommend the Real One, but I recommend the Proud Ones (1956).
    Good Music and a really good Western, if you like movies from that era.
    Great whistling skills. Thanks for the movie and song recos.

  8. #228
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    I am going to be out of town for about a month starting Sunday, so after tomorrow will be a good time to take a little break from posting, so I don't say anything about the current legal situation that I will regret.

    Nice little trip planned months ago. Flying to east coast to visit friends, renting a car to hit some casinos as we make our way to the Midwest. In Chicago, we pick up and leisurely follow route 66 back to Vegas, stopping at all the little cheezy, touristy spots. Something I have wanted to do for a while. May should be perfect weather for it, before it gets too hot.
    Plenty of casinos along Route 66 in Oklahoma. Route 66 casino is located by the famous Old Rio Puerco bridge in New Mexico.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  9. #229
    Kewl -

    When the heat gets hot take a real life vacation from your virtual life.

    Singer 101.

    Glad to see you finally learning from him.
    Deep down inside Redietz is probably an ok guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. 5/16/24 he left us. Remember.

  10. #230

  11. #231
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Im sorry, Mikki who? I only notice Alex Botez.

  12. #232

  13. #233
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Every single one of these fucks would be dead broke if all they were allowed to do to try and make money is to play poker.

  14. #234
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Every single one of these fucks would be dead broke if all they were allowed to do to try and make money is to play poker.
    I agree. I find these characters very entertaining to watch.

  15. #235
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Every single one of these fucks would be dead broke if all they were allowed to do to try and make money is to play poker.
    I agree. I find these characters very entertaining to watch.
    I would have to make an argument for Doug Polk.

  16. #236
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Every single one of these fucks would be dead broke if all they were allowed to do to try and make money is to play poker.
    I agree. I find these characters very entertaining to watch.
    I would have to make an argument for Doug Polk.
    He NEEDS his for profit training garbage and people investing in him too.

    My previous post also applies to guys like Hellmuth, Negreanu, I've, etc...

  17. #237
    Originally Posted by AxelWolf View Post
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by jbjb View Post
    Every single one of these fucks would be dead broke if all they were allowed to do to try and make money is to play poker.
    I agree. I find these characters very entertaining to watch.
    I would have to make an argument for Doug Polk.
    Unless you're Mike Postle (or Robbi Jade Lew), you have to fade near-parity in today's professional poker world;or so it appears to a lay person like myself.

  18. #238
    Polk and Berky could clearly support themselves off poker. While maintaining their current quality of life? Doug - no. No idea about Berky. They've made money off plenty of other stuff. It is absurd to think they couldn't "support themselves". If they can't no one else can either.

    As far as fading near-parity it just depends on the limits and game selection. You can play 1/3 in plenty of places with 1-2 other good players. The hourly isn't great but probably fairly easy to hit $50 an hour if you are good. I'm guessing it can go higher fairly easily but requires selective games. Once you go higher (2/5) the public games get a lot tougher and your edge goes down tremendously relative to the field. The problem is people have come to realize how much game selection matters. So the more cunning guys with good social skills run their own games. The fish like playing against a easier field as do the handful of pros who get in. I've heard people bribe the game-runners but not sure how common that is.

    The higher-stakes public games will have 1-2 donators and everyone basically sucks their dick in high-limit games. Telling them how nice their hair is and shit... literally. Public games 1-2 donators, private games 1-2 pros. Anyway, this is just my impression and some observations.

    I find full-ring no holdem really boring. It is a shame though as there is ok money in it. Maybe once the weather isn't as nice I'll try to hang out more in cardrooms. Thats all it is though and some plo here and there.
    Deep down inside Redietz is probably an ok guy who wears his heart on his sleeve. 5/16/24 he left us. Remember.

  19. #239
    Any plans by Druff to address the back-rooming allegation on the podcast?

    If this story is true, as told here, a physically violent back-rooming at a major Las Vegas casino in the year 2023, for merely counting cards, that resulted in a patron's fractured arm, would be one of the bigger stories of the year (at least in the Nevada gambling scene).

    Others here seem to be suggesting the story is a fabrication. I don't know either way, but I'd be interested in Druff weighing in.

  20. #240
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Polk and Berky could clearly support themselves off poker. While maintaining their current quality of life? Doug - no. No idea about Berky. They've made money off plenty of other stuff. It is absurd to think they couldn't "support themselves". If they can't no one else can either.

    As far as fading near-parity it just depends on the limits and game selection. You can play 1/3 in plenty of places with 1-2 other good players. The hourly isn't great but probably fairly easy to hit $50 an hour if you are good. I'm guessing it can go higher fairly easily but requires selective games. Once you go higher (2/5) the public games get a lot tougher and your edge goes down tremendously relative to the field. The problem is people have come to realize how much game selection matters. So the more cunning guys with good social skills run their own games. The fish like playing against a easier field as do the handful of pros who get in. I've heard people bribe the game-runners but not sure how common that is.

    The higher-stakes public games will have 1-2 donators and everyone basically sucks their dick in high-limit games. Telling them how nice their hair is and shit... literally. Public games 1-2 donators, private games 1-2 pros. Anyway, this is just my impression and some observations.

    I find full-ring no holdem really boring. It is a shame though as there is ok money in it. Maybe once the weather isn't as nice I'll try to hang out more in cardrooms. Thats all it is though and some plo here and there.
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