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  1. #261
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post

    Good for you for finally seeing the light that you should sue. There was absolutely no reason for them to throw you into a chair and cause you to fracture your arm.
    Not that it really matters but I don't view it as "seeing the light" or other members talking me into anything. But I did appreciate other members and players weighing in with their opinions, especially a few that don't even post here or no longer post here that took the time. And those opinions did play a part in my coming around to a new position I guess.

  2. #262

  3. #263
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by cyberbabble View Post
    Las Vegas Golden Nugget has been running an uncapped 1-2NL for many years.

    I haven't been there in years but it's a tradition for downtown and I assume it's still running. Game is not really different from the average 1-2. Stacks are a few hundred. There probably have been a few games that got big but nobody is making $50 hour there. $10 hour would be a good record.

    MY first and only sighting of the legendary Tony Bigcharles was in this game. I was seated a a different table and didn't play with him. He left a little while later.
    I talked with someone who said people make $50+ in 1/2 but the $100+ are suspect because of the small sample. He figured 50-75 would be the maximum.

    I never learned how to play against bad players that well. So I could in theory win more often but not as much.

    It would be really interesting to know what % of a win-rate is due to live reads, game-selection, player specific exploitation .. like take the best crusher.. where do they get the most extra value above other pros?
    They are lying or talking about a very small sample size. First of all anyone who did have a good run and beat 1/2 for over $50 per H would move to 2/5 quickly. As far as me now knowing about every uncapped game in the country you are correct. I gave Mississippi as an example. There are so many games being run outside of casinos that itís impossible to know all of them. Nevertheless I stand by $50 per hour is not sustainable in 1/2 NL live cash with a standard by in. No one is beating 1/2 NL Live games for 100k a year. Anyone capable ( and I donít think there are many If at all) would move up stakes so their sample size would be to small.

  4. #264
    Poker players keep going broke and keep
    Coming to the bank so I love poker players lol. Sell them the dream of $50 per Hour or whatever you want

  5. #265
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by cyberbabble View Post
    Las Vegas Golden Nugget has been running an uncapped 1-2NL for many years.

    I haven't been there in years but it's a tradition for downtown and I assume it's still running. Game is not really different from the average 1-2. Stacks are a few hundred. There probably have been a few games that got big but nobody is making $50 hour there. $10 hour would be a good record.

    MY first and only sighting of the legendary Tony Bigcharles was in this game. I was seated a a different table and didn't play with him. He left a little while later.
    I talked with someone who said people make $50+ in 1/2 but the $100+ are suspect because of the small sample. He figured 50-75 would be the maximum.

    I never learned how to play against bad players that well. So I could in theory win more often but not as much.

    It would be really interesting to know what % of a win-rate is due to live reads, game-selection, player specific exploitation .. like take the best crusher.. where do they get the most extra value above other pros?
    They are lying or talking about a very small sample size. First of all anyone who did have a good run and beat 1/2 for over $50 per H would move to 2/5 quickly. As far as me now knowing about every uncapped game in the country you are correct. I gave Mississippi as an example. There are so many games being run outside of casinos that itís impossible to know all of them. Nevertheless I stand by $50 per hour is not sustainable in 1/2 NL live cash with a standard by in. No one is beating 1/2 NL Live games for 100k a year. Anyone capable ( and I donít think there are many If at all) would move up stakes so their sample size would be to small.
    wrong on just about everything. I believe these people. I don't really have any clue if I could make $50/hr but I have little reason to doubt other's haven't done it. (and within a sufficient sample size)

    It is common to fall back on sample size arguments when one doesn't want to be wrong about some outcome.

    It seems like people would move up to 2/5 but there are many reasons why that might not be the case. I can think of 3 off hand. Hours of availability (family/work), 2/5 not really being a thing, 2/5 being significantly tougher. When I see people who are local crushers I'm going to try and ask them. Serious pros in one locale tend to share results with each other so it isn't like I'd be asking some schmuck kid with sunglasses.
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  6. #266
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Poker players keep going broke and keep
    Coming to the bank so I love poker players lol. Sell them the dream of $50 per Hour or whatever you want
    These are the smart guys who are also studious.

    You do realize that $50 an hour isn't some goldmine for a sharp person? Mr Alpha Baller.
    'i don't read blogs by scumbags.' - Crimm

  7. #267
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Poker players keep going broke and keep
    Coming to the bank so I love poker players lol. Sell them the dream of $50 per Hour or whatever you want
    These are the smart guys who are also studious.

    You do realize that $50 an hour isn't some goldmine for a sharp person? Mr Alpha Baller.
    Average median household income is around 75k. $50 per hour is like a million dollars to 99 percent of poker players.

    You do realize that most poker pros are broke and deep in makeup right ? Like own nothing bro. The streaming guys are essentially circus clowns getting paid peanuts.

    I have your net worth in the trunk of my car. I could be robbed of that and it wouldnít register as important in my life.

    Be happy to loan you some money tho. Just like all the poker bros lol

  8. #268
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Poker players keep going broke and keep
    Coming to the bank so I love poker players lol. Sell them the dream of $50 per Hour or whatever you want
    These are the smart guys who are also studious.

    You do realize that $50 an hour isn't some goldmine for a sharp person? Mr Alpha Baller.
    Average median household income is around 75k. $50 per hour is like a million dollars to 99 percent of poker players.

    You do realize that most poker pros are broke and deep in makeup right ? Like own nothing bro. The streaming guys are essentially circus clowns getting paid peanuts.

    I have your net worth in the trunk of my car. I could be robbed of that and it wouldnít register as important in my life.

    Be happy to loan you some money tho. Just like all the poker bros lol
    Out of all my closer associates I've never known a one of them to borrow money to get into tournaments. The fact that you think the typical poker player does that speaks to your knowledge on this subject. There are plenty of guys who do something similar but typically they're swapping.

    I get it though, read on pokernews or whatever and you think poker is full of tournament players.

    Pretty funny you are called out on nonsense and you go back to bragging about yourself. Your insecurities are really starting to show.
    'i don't read blogs by scumbags.' - Crimm

  9. #269
    We are now "officially" underway with this action, with the defendant now having been served.

    This opens a 60 day window for a response. So I expect there will be nothing new for the better part of that time period.

  10. #270
    Speaking as a complete legal know nothing, I don't really understand the first actions on either side. Our first action was to notify them of intent to take legal action and the amounts we were seeking. Why do you notify of intent to sue? When they are served, which has now occurred, wouldn't that be all the notice needed?

    Nor do I understand a first offer that was made even before legal action taken? All I can think of was maybe hoping to make this go away at minimal cost before it even began?

    I don't know. We will see what happens.

  11. #271
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    maybe hoping to make this go away at minimal cost before it even began?
    The thing is, it all could have easily been avoided:

  12. #272
    I personally find a 60 day Window RIDICULOUS. Had YOU done something like throw a Security Guard so hard he ended up fracturing his arm when he politely asked you to come to the backroom, or something like that, I feel the window would have been MUCH shorter like a week if he wanted to press charges against you. At least you seriously took our advice and pressed charges after at first planning to not press any charges. Smart man, because they deserve to have charges pressed against them.
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  13. #273
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    I personally find a 60 day Window RIDICULOUS. Had YOU done something like throw a Security Guard so hard he ended up fracturing his arm when he politely asked you to come to the backroom, or something like that, I feel the window would have been MUCH shorter like a week if he wanted to press charges against you.
    I don't think that is the way it works Tasha. I don't know for sure because this is all new to me, so any lawyers of knowledgeable legal person can feel free to correct me, but I think there is a standard window of time to file such an action. There is then a window of time that the plaintiff must be served of the legal action. If he is not served in that time, the case can be dismissed. After being served there is a 60 day window for the plaintiff to respond.

    After those standard windows or time frame, I believe a judge becomes involved and sets the schedule and time frame for discovery and other pre-trial motions and issues, right up until and trial itself. So that part can move faster or slower based on the judges workload and availability.

    Tasha, you also have to remember that there are attorneys involved on both sides. And these attorneys are not working exclusively on this case. They have other cases and workloads that need to be scheduled around. I suspect that is why such a window is given. I knew from the beginning that this would not be some quick ordeal. It is going to drag out some. That is our legal system.

  14. #274
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post
    maybe hoping to make this go away at minimal cost before it even began?
    The thing is, it all could have easily been avoided:
    Tableplay, I have had a couple incidents, along the lines of this clip over the years. Nowhere near as dramatic, but incidents where I saw the heat coming and exited the table before they got there, and weaved my way toward an exit. Again, nowhere near as dramatic and suspenseful as this clip.

    In this particular case, I failed to see any issue coming until it was there, so that was on me. I just wasn't as attentive as I used to be. But you are correct, it could have been and should have been avoided.

    So I am not familiar with this movie. I will have to look it up. Is Nicholas Cage a card counter/advantage player? Or was it something more like cheating?

  15. #275
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    So I am not familiar with this movie. I will have to look it up. Is Nicholas Cage a card counter/advantage player? Or was it something more like cheating?
    I really enjoyed this movie (see the screenshot below please for answers to your questions). A poorly reviewed sleeper which was likely dismissed by many. He actually prevented a robbery before it occurred, so from the perspective of the present, Nicolas appears to assault another patron who would have attempted to rob the casino a few seconds into the future had Nicolas not intervened. So the chase and escape scene was due to the assault rather than his black jack maneuvers.
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  16. #276
    Originally Posted by tableplay View Post
    Originally Posted by kewlJ View Post

    So I am not familiar with this movie. I will have to look it up. Is Nicholas Cage a card counter/advantage player? Or was it something more like cheating?
    I really enjoyed this movie (see the screenshot below please for answers to your questions). A poorly reviewed sleeper which was likely dismissed by many. He actually prevented a robbery before it occurred, so from the perspective of the present, Nicolas appears to assault another patron who would have attempted to rob the casino a few seconds into the future had Nicolas not intervened. So the chase and escape scene was due to the assault rather than his black jack maneuvers.
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    Thank you for the quick reply. saved me looking into it.

  17. #277
    Originally Posted by Tasha View Post
    . At least you seriously took our advice and pressed charges after at first planning to not press any charges. Smart man, because they deserve to have charges pressed against them.
    I want to address this Tasha because you make it sound like I just didn't want to be bothered. I knew immediately there was a case here. Even before my arm was fractured. As soon as casino personnel grabbed hold of my arm and I was not free to leave, I was being illegally detained and held. Illegal arrest. You can go as far as to call it kidnapping as MaxPen did, although that term probably would be changed as the case progresses.

    The question for me at the onset was how much did I want to give up in anonymity which would have financial consequences to my ongoing play, to pursue any remedy. I initially decided preserving what is left of my anonymity was worth more than some 5 to low 6 figure amount that I might win.

    What really changed for me, was several people that I respect suggesting higher amounts than I was initially thinking along with the realization, that my anonymity is basically already a thing of the past. That is gone! Pretty much has been since I was doxxed by Mdawg. Some AP's in Vegas knew who I was even before that, but almost all did after that doxxing.

    Again, that anonymity is gone. I have found it harder and harder to play since that occurred, and have had to resort to playing busier times and conditions that I would like. And it is only going to get worse. This incident proved that. I am now one of those players that has a harder time playing and probably will eventually be I can't play much at all. So I might as well grab what I can, because yes they do deserve it.

    And if I can help re-sent the message that this kind of casino abuse is not acceptable, that is gravy.

    So it isn't exactly that anybody "talked me into anything". It was a slow realization that the anonymity that I was hoping to protect, really is all but gone.

  18. #278
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    Originally Posted by Seedvalue View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post

    These are the smart guys who are also studious.

    You do realize that $50 an hour isn't some goldmine for a sharp person? Mr Alpha Baller.
    Average median household income is around 75k. $50 per hour is like a million dollars to 99 percent of poker players.

    You do realize that most poker pros are broke and deep in makeup right ? Like own nothing bro. The streaming guys are essentially circus clowns getting paid peanuts.

    I have your net worth in the trunk of my car. I could be robbed of that and it wouldnít register as important in my life.

    Be happy to loan you some money tho. Just like all the poker bros lol
    Out of all my closer associates I've never known a one of them to borrow money to get into tournaments. The fact that you think the typical poker player does that speaks to your knowledge on this subject. There are plenty of guys who do something similar but typically they're swapping.

    I get it though, read on pokernews or whatever and you think poker is full of tournament players.

    Pretty funny you are called out on nonsense and you go back to bragging about yourself. Your insecurities are really starting to show.

    Willing to show whatever amount of money you like so you can see how much of a waste your life has been. Call it what you will to make yourself feel better about basically having nothing. You donít know anything about staking. You donít even have the money for yourself let alone anyone else. Iíve been backing poker players since about 2009. I know infinitely more about basically everything in the poker world then you, because my money is in play everyday.

    I donít like frauds, or left wing freaks like you. I donít like low functioning people who say things like people who brag about their wealth or accomplishments are insecure. That comes out of the mouth of broke losers who look for reasons not to do anything. Successful people hang out and gravitate toward other people who
    are successful. We all brag and talk shit to each other. It what normal successful highly competitive people do. You wouldnít understand obviously.

    Now some facts for you. Big tits Bart mommaís boy Hanson posted a graph recently of about 4600 hours of play at 5/10 NL. His hourly was around 125 per. Remember you seem to think $50 per hour is obtainable in standard 1/3 games lol. I made my first million at poker playing only cash games online. I played live for 3 years after Black Friday I know what the fucking win rates are. Poker is not easier today itís orders of magnitude harder then it was back then. No shot at beating 1/3 live for $50 per over 2500 hours or so today. Maybe back during the original boom. Not today


    Nothing Iím saying is false. You donít like that I brag or talk about my big cock, or call out the frauds like GunplayKewj so what. Doesnít make my life any less true. Plenty of guys could have made what I have or more gambling. There are plenty that have they brag also. Itís just you donít believe how Iíve done it. Thatís fine but I guarantee you this I can bring the fucking receipts. I could also teach anyone with half a Brain how to do the things I do. Thatís the easy part. The problem is people are lazy, lack discipline, and donít have the self confidence to replicate my success in this game. They settle and make excuses for themselves. They donít set goals, and when they do they let themselves off the hook. Itís called a unwavering delusional mindset towards accomplishing the goals you set. Most of you get a little coin and canít wait to spend it on bull shit materialistic shit.

    Kewj canít wait to buy the newest black dildo or dress at the shop to strut around in. He most likely is popping Estrogen pills to transition. His excuse will be Mdawg doxed him so now he must become a woman to further his blackDick career. Lol In reality he just wants to be like Bruce Jenner. His fake delusional life comes from neighbor guy. Neighbor guy reamed those guts when he was young and crossed him
    Up. Heís been fucked up ever since.

    AIQ your problem is lack of pussy. The years of rejection from females have made you hate the world. So you read all the bullshit left winger victim shit online, and slowly you become indoctrinated. Youíre a few years away from coming out of the closet lol. Then you and pool-strut take turns riding each other.

    Wise up as Rob would say

  19. #279
    I gotta wonder why the kewl--j, if his narrative is true never sought to press the criminal charge against the casino employee for assault causing bodily harms, forcible confinements or even kidnapping? Do you really think that these scum-bag casino are gonna be phased by having to pony up the 6 or even 7 figures civil judgements? Casino will only stop their bad behavior when their employees start facing years in prison for the serious criminal offence that they perpetrate, hey hey!!!!

  20. #280
    Originally Posted by soxfan View Post
    I gotta wonder why the kewl--j, if his narrative is true never sought to press the criminal charge against the casino employee for assault causing bodily harms, forcible confinements or even kidnapping? Do you really think that these scum-bag casino are gonna be phased by having to pony up the 6 or even 7 figures civil judgements? Casino will only stop their bad behavior when their employees start facing years in prison for the serious criminal offence that they perpetrate, hey hey!!!!
    Soxfan, we have a separate case against the actual security officer that pushed me towards the deck causing the fracture to my arm. No it isn't a criminal case, it is a civil case. The reason it is separate is because he is no longer associated with the casino, meaning he was let go.

    And no I don't think a mid 6 figure judgement, which is what we are pursuing is going to hurt the casinos bottom line all that much. Hell, most of any judgment or settlement will be paid by an insurance company. It is not like when James Grosjean singlehandedly bankrupt the Griffin agency. BUT, there must be some effect, because once these judgements and settlements started occurring back in the early to mid 2000's these kinds of cases started to diminish and occur farther and fewer between. Maybe it is something like they have a harder time getting insurance or maybe it is just the bad publicity that in itself costs money.

    I would love to bankrupt them. But I don't have that option. All I can do is try to make it hurt as much as I can and hope it re-sends the message that most casinos in LV have received long ago.

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