My Casino back-rooming.

[accountinquestion]

Singer and Kewl are like the same person. Both full of it flailing about trying to prove the other one is full of shit. I can't remember if I said this but it is funny how bullshitters get into weird competitive games. Like it is affront to their ability to bullshit to see some other guy bullshitting.

Kewl is as neurotic as Singer is funny but in the end these 2 guys are the most prolific bullshitters on gambling forums since the dawn of man.

book it.

Your personal analysis left out one important point: I am perceived as a "bullshitter" because to certain people, certain true things I've said or shown about myself and my family does not go over well with the little people. And that's OK with me. OTOH, kew is universally seen as a bullshitter because, well, as Dan himself says, he's a known hoax machine, and I'll add in that his empty life constantly SCREAMS out for relevance, attention and acceptance. And this is devastating to him.

I'll take Manhattan.

You are definitely laughing with it more than being laughed at.

22 lb bag of 800k. Needed your ex-navy seal son-in-law to come by at 3am in the morning. Valet was ready. Rob was walking behind him on look out. Yea we know.

I hope when I am Rob's age I can carry 22 lbs on my own.

[accountinquestion]

Now of course with me, there is a little more to it than that now. There are people...complete trolls and now some what I call troll supporters like Ozzy and AinQ, that their attacks and criticism of me have nothing to do with anything I share about my blackjack career or experiences. They are blinded and fueled by a hate of something totally unrelated. Like mickey said, I just post what I want to post. People think I make some long post trying to convince these people blinded by hate of anything. That is not entirely true. When I explain something I do or something these haters have gotten wrong and I try to explain the truth, it is as much about explaining to other people, people that many not even participate, people that may come along later, reading. I am not really trying to change the views of people who's views are determined by hate and bigotry. That is a battle no one can ever win.

In closing Happy Fathers day to all of you who are Fathers. Cherrish the time with your kids and family, at any age, and time with your fathers. I lost my Dad at an early age. I didn't have him through any of the different times in my life. I can barely remember what he looked like without a picture, or what his voice sounded like. And while the hater that posts as Rob Singer frequently falsely claims I am jealous of this person or that person, I don't know if jealous is the right word for this, but oh what I would give just to spend just a day with my Dad. Peace and love.

I am blinded by a hate of something totally unrelated !?!?!? lol awesome.

In your case Kewl, I would actually be happy to know what you say is 100% true but you didn't even have enough shame to be gone for 2 days straight after announcing your departure. Anyway, I'm not going to do a Kewl style rundown of why Kewl is exceedingly unlikely to be telling the truth.

Good luck to you bro. I hope you have a happy life. While Singer is funny, he is also malicious. You're just.. uhm... best of luck.

[coach belly]

I could easily post pictures of cash and chips. I always have mid 5 figures cash available as part of my BR and I use a chip inventory, so I have a bowl of chips (think large fishbowl) with ten's of thousands of dollars in chips at any given time from up to two dozen casinos or more.

Claiming how much you have available, and that you could easily post pictures of what you have, is an exercise in nonsense...unless you post the pictures.

If you do post the pictures, then it becomes an exercise in supporting what you claim.

Members who post photos of their wins in the "Jackpots" thread (and elsewhere) are routinely congratulated.

It's ridiculous for you to denigrate someone who makes an effort to support their winning claims, while making similar claims yourself without offering any supporting evidence.

You have no common sense.

[kewlJ]

Claiming how much you have available, and that you could easily post pictures of what you have, is an exercise in nonsense...unless you post the pictures.

If you do post the pictures, then it becomes an exercise in supporting what you claim.

Members who post photos of their wins in the "Jackpots" thread (and elsewhere) are routinely congratulated.

It's ridiculous for you to denigrate someone who makes an effort to support their winning claims, while making similar claims yourself without offering any supporting evidence.

You have no common sense.

Is there anybody on this forum that can't get their hands on 10k, 20k, 50k cash? I assume you could coach belly. One of my roommates, doesn't do any kind of gambling, advantage play or recreational. He is 30 years old and works a low management sales job in a Big Box, type hardware/home improvement store. He has 20k in the bank, could withdraw it and spread it on the bed. What does that prove?

I enjoy seeing real pictures of jackpot type wins. Both from AP's as part of their advantage play as well as from recreational -EV players. It doesn't prove a damn thing though about anything long-term. Alan posted pictures of a 100k video poker Royal flush and then honestly told us he never had a winning year at gambling. But again, I enjoy these pictures even if it only proves the player won for that moment, that brief window in time.

Likewise, I also like trip reports. Kind of hard for AP's to post trip reports. I have tried posting reports for a couple days on one of my trips, or even a day or two of play here in Vegas, but it is just so easy to say something that could be identifying and harmful. That is why you see no REAL AP's post trip reports. (Mdawg...). Mickeycrimm does post some pictures of some of the places he plays, which I enjoy a great deal, but he is very careful delaying posting and other tactics.

It goes back to what mickey said at GF today and I reposted here. No AP should ever try to prove anything to you trolls. It's just ridiculous.

[kewlJ]

In your case Kewl, I would actually be happy to know what you say is 100% true

AccountinQuestion, THIS is NOT true. You are not being honest. I don't know whether you are lying to yourself or us, but this just is not true. Your real feeling come through loud and clear. What this amounts to is a racist saying "but I have black friends". And no I am not calling you a racist.

The fact that I announce I am leaving a forum or will cease posting and then do not, has nothing to do with anything. That means everything I have shared about my blackjack career and experiences is not true?

Mickeycrimm, God bless him, is one of the biggest trolls on these gambling forums and has been for years. Mickey himself said that if he feels he was trolled or disrespected, he trolls back 3 times harder. And he wasn't lying. He has proven that for years. I have even been on the receiving end of some of it. Now does that mean mickey is not to be believed on anything he says or shares about his gambling? of course not!

I actually worried about mickey's trolling for a while that it might result in people lumping everything together and finding him less credible because of his trolling. But mickey was smart enough to understand that people can sperate out the two. Compartmentalize. But what is funny, is that people like you, don't do that with me. You start with a bias, or hate, about something not even related to gambling that won't allow you to do that. You can't overcome that bias.

And it isn't just me. YOU have admitted this with redietz. Redietz has hit a rough patch on these forums with people ganging up to bully and troll him. And he hasn't helped himself with some of his comments as he tried to fight back. He has actually said some comments about sports betting and EV that anyone, even me, concludes that is just not right or accurate. That doesn't mean that the knowledge that he has shown for years/decades is wrong. Nor does it override that. I conclude that redietz is someone old school with sports betting and isn't doing some of the things AP's are doing today. Things that are really more about advantage play that sports betting. Maybe as an older school player he isn't up on all that. My friend (<- ) Norn Wattenburger used to say about some of these discussions, "there is more than one way to skin a cat", meaning there is more than one way to win at most forms of gambling. More than one +EV play or technique that works. So some of the AP's are doing things that an older school sports better isn't doing and frankly may not appreciate. But you AinQ, have flat out admitted your bias when you said "I don't like him because he is arrogant".

I am glad I could use redietz as an example (sorry Redietz) but that same bias plays out even more so with me. There are many that don't like that I am gay. There was one guy that clearly didn't like me because I was younger. I'm not that young anymore, but when I was in my late 20's and 30's posting, he had a real issue that I had some of the success that I had at that age. The person that posts as Rob Singer also has that bias against the younger generation.

So, I don't know if that is your particular issue or bias is, but it is something. But whatever bias you and others have, it does not mean the things I say and share about blackjack are not to be believed any more than it would mean mickey should not bel believed because he actively engages in some trolling. I think I have more than proved that I know what the fuck I am talking about, sharing even some stuff that I do, that you won't see or read about anywhere else.

But like everything, seems to be a double standard when it involves me.

[kewlJ]

I guess the short of it (probably way too late for that) is that on these forums, there is an element of popularity, and cliques like Jr High School and if you aren't one of the "cool kids" in the club, you are bullied and demonized, and every attempt made to discredit you.

[coach belly]

I enjoy seeing real pictures of jackpot type wins.

How could you know which jackpots are real without supporting info, other than a photo of a machine?

You don't know which jackpot photos are real.

[accountinquestion]

In your case Kewl, I would actually be happy to know what you say is 100% true

AccountinQuestion, THIS is NOT true. You are not being honest. I don't know whether you are lying to yourself or us, but this just is not true. Your real feeling come through loud and clear. What this amounts to is a racist saying "but I have black friends". And no I am not calling you a racist.

The fact that I announce I am leaving a forum or will cease posting and then do not, has nothing to do with anything. That means everything I have shared about my blackjack career and experiences is not true?

Mickeycrimm, God bless him, is one of the biggest trolls on these gambling forums and has been for years. Mickey himself said that if he feels he was trolled or disrespected, he trolls back 3 times harder. And he wasn't lying. He has proven that for years. I have even been on the receiving end of some of it. Now does that mean mickey is not to be believed on anything he says or shares about his gambling? of course not!

I actually worried about mickey's trolling for a while that it might result in people lumping everything together and finding him less credible because of his trolling. But mickey was smart enough to understand that people can sperate out the two. Compartmentalize. But what is funny, is that people like you, don't do that with me. You start with a bias, or hate, about something not even related to gambling that won't allow you to do that. You can't overcome that bias.

And it isn't just me. YOU have admitted this with redietz. Redietz has hit a rough patch on these forums with people ganging up to bully and troll him. And he hasn't helped himself with some of his comments as he tried to fight back. He has actually said some comments about sports betting and EV that anyone, even me, concludes that is just not right or accurate. That doesn't mean that the knowledge that he has shown for years/decades is wrong. Nor does it override that. I conclude that redietz is someone old school with sports betting and isn't doing some of the things AP's are doing today. Things that are really more about advantage play that sports betting. Maybe as an older school player he isn't up on all that. My friend (<- ) Norn Wattenburger used to say about some of these discussions, "there is more than one way to skin a cat", meaning there is more than one way to win at most forms of gambling. More than one +EV play or technique that works. So some of the AP's are doing things that an older school sports better isn't doing and frankly may not appreciate. But you AinQ, have flat out admitted your bias when you said "I don't like him because he is arrogant".

I am glad I could use redietz as an example (sorry Redietz) but that same bias plays out even more so with me. There are many that don't like that I am gay. There was one guy that clearly didn't like me because I was younger. I'm not that young anymore, but when I was in my late 20's and 30's posting, he had a real issue that I had some of the success that I had at that age. The person that posts as Rob Singer also has that bias against the younger generation.

So, I don't know if that is your particular issue or bias is, but it is something. But whatever bias you and others have, it does not mean the things I say and share about blackjack are not to be believed any more than it would mean mickey should not bel believed because he actively engages in some trolling. I think I have more than proved that I know what the fuck I am talking about, sharing even some stuff that I do, that you won't see or read about anywhere else.

But like everything, seems to be a double standard when it involves me.

My only real problem with you is that whole story about the rigged shufflers you DMed me. I took you at your word thinking you are legitimate but nothing has really ever added up.

Even the psychology behind it all. I'm not going to rehash all that.

Just because I don't believe you doesn't in any way mean I wouldn't hope it is true. You don't strike me as malicious so why do I hope anything bad happens to you? Plenty of legitimately bad people in this world. If you were a real person I'd LOL. My ego is not tied to the veracity of your claims. I'm not a hater. I'm here to be entertained. I barely read the other AP forums. You put yourself out there. The way Singer winds you up.

I guess one can be biased against arrogance in the same way people can be biased against murderers. Don't try to get too far into the logic there, Kewl. Redietz started new threads trying to belittle me. He isn't being bullied just because he is on the wrong side. People aren't bullying Singer when they clown on him. Grow up.

Anyway i'd like to point out I got a 24x score off Kewl and that may just be a personal record for me.

[kewlJ]

My only real problem with you is that whole story about the rigged shufflers you DMed me. I took you at your word thinking you are legitimate but nothing has really ever added up.

Even the psychology behind it all. I'm not going to rehash all that.

Why? Why can't we, not rehash, but continue a respectful, maybe educational discussion about rigged shufflers? There is actually a lot of new information being discussed recently on some blackjack forums. I know you don't read blackjack forums, but these are people that play one of the games these shufflers are at and know some things. Some pretty respected people. Ever heard Grosjeans thoughts on this topic?

I tried to go back and see what I wrote that may have ruffled your feathers, but I get so many PM's (I say PM for private message, I don't know what DM is....I guess direct message?), I have had to delete the older ones. I also received a PM from someone sharing an article that revealed some things, that I have never seen posted. It is the only correspondence I have every had with that person and he doesn't post here. I think he created the account just to PM me this article. Unfortunately, I guess I deleted that too. But this article explains things much better and clearer than I ever could have.

With the things these machines, both CSM's and ATM's are capable of doing as far as arranging cards in almost any order desired, frankly anyone not concerned and just blindly accepting of a "random" order of cards is a fool.

Frankly I had hoped that this situation would have "broke" for lack of a better term, or maybe come more to light. But it is easy to see why it hasn't. This isn't just a blackjack issue and potential for cheating, but they use variations of these kind of shufflers for all sorts of different table card games now. Most gaming commissions follow Nevada's lead and for Nevada Gaming to admit what they know, that these shufflers do NOT meet the requirement of "random", and disqualify them it would be a very costly endeavor. Not to mention they would be almost inviting class action lawsuits based on past play and losses. Imagine 10's, maybe hundreds of thousands of players suing for losses at a table with a machine that the commission now says wasn't random? I still think that day will come, when the shit will hit the fan, but it will probably take some casinos going way overboard and so far, it hasn't become hugely a problem despite the potential. It is just sporadic cases here and there.

The technology is there. That just isn't even in question. So the only defense I have seen is some posters say something like "why would the casino industry need to do that? They already have an advantage?" Well my answer is, why did they need to go to 6:5 blackjack instead of 3:2. Why did they need to go to 8/5 and 7/5 jacks or better video poker, when they had an advantage at 9/6? Why are there now triple zero roulette wheels when they had an advantage with first single zero, and then double zero? The casino industry is always seeking a bigger advantage.

So I would like to hear what I said on the subject and my experiences, I assume you are talking about at El Cortez, that you find unbelievable?

[kewlJ]

By the way, my opinions on almost any topic can change as I learn new things. So again, let's hear exactly what it is I said that turned you so against me. I may not even still hold that opinion, who knows?

[coach belly]

why would the casino industry need to do that? They already have an advantage

Under standard rules, and variable casino conditions, which sequence of dealt cards gives the casino a bigger advantage than random?

[kewlJ]

Under standard rules, and variable casino conditions, which sequence of dealt cards gives the casino a bigger advantage than random?

Short answer: significant clumps of 10 value cards with no aces in that clump.

Longer answer and explanation: It doesn't matter where that clump is cut to, the front, middle, end or the section behind the cut card, the casino will be at an greater advantage for that shoe.

If that clump of 10 values is cut to the beginning of the shoe, there will be many 10 value cards, including lots of 20-20 pushes in the first few rounds and then the remaining shoe played at a high negative count (higher house advantage). This is the kind of shoe with a high negative count that a card counter should exit to avoid playing the higher house advantage.

If that clump of 10 value cards is cut to the middle or end of the shoe before the cut card. The shoe will begin with a rising true count because the hands played will consist of more small cards which count as +1 (or +2 depending on the count used). So you will then get to the 10 value clump with a strong plus count, so the player will be putting out his big bets only to have 10 value cards come out for everybody including a lot of 20-20 pushes.

If the 10 value clump is cut to after the cut card then the player will play the entire shoe with more small cards coming out despite the rising true counts. That excess of 10 value cards, never even get played.

That is the jist of it. What I just described effects all players, counting cards or not. But there is a second consideration and that is the 3-2 blackjack payoff. For card counters that extra 50% payoffs on blackjack accounts for most of the very slim advantage that we can get by knowing the remaining make up of cards. By intentionally keeping aces out of that 10 value clump, that will result in fewer blackjack deal to all players, but will effect the card counters who are counting on that extra 50% payoff to flip the slim advantage.

So, a 10 value clump of cards results in a higher house edge for ALL players and for card counters specifically, fewer than the normal blackjacks making it all but impossible to flip the house advantage. When the card counter places his bigger bets believing he is at an advantage, he really won't be because of the fewer blackjack by keeping aces and 10 value clump separated.

[coach belly]

the remaining shoe played at a high negative count

My understanding is that a high negative count favors the player.

But if players recognize that the deck is not random, then doesn't that favor the players?

[kewlJ]

My understanding is that a high negative count favors the player.

But if players recognize that the deck is not random, then doesn't that favor the players?

A very very high negative count slightly favors the player. It is rare to get to such a count and you would have to play through a ton of negative counts that favor the house much more to get to that rare and very tiny advantage. And then you would have to know the specialized strategy to use, would involve hitting a lot of 13, 14, 15, 16, even 17's vs dealer break cards. You are far better off just not playing any of those negative counts like -2, -3 or higher.

But yes, in answer to your question, there are things that can be done to gain an advantage once you identify such a situation. If you remember, my sharing this incident of casino cheating, which I though was me warning other players, resulted in a team of AP's that had also discovered this situation and were taking advantage of it, being quite angry with me. I got a couple emails calling me some unpleasant names. I think most of that group has come to understand that I made a mistake. I thought I was warning players and it ended their play. But there is one guy that has been very slow to forgive and forget...let's just say.

[coach belly]

a team of AP's that had also discovered this situation and were taking advantage of it

And what happened?...has the casino continued to cheat?

[kewlJ]

a team of AP's that had also discovered this situation and were taking advantage of it

And what happened?...has the casino continued to cheat?

I think you remember damn well what happened. I have nothing to do at the moment while my housemates are engaged in their usual video gaming escapades, so I will recap.

This occurred 5 years ago?, 6 years ago? Maybe more? (time flies when your having fun). El Cortez changed their pit configuration. For anyone familiar with EC, their table game pit used to run parallel 6th street. they changed it, to the same basic location of the casino but with the table game pits now running parallel to Fremont street. And there were 3 separate table game pits at the time of re-configuration. there are now 2 as the third has been replaced by a group (stadium like) blackjack area.

So the 3 pits at the time consisted of a pit that was always open, a second pit that would open for the busier times each day and a 3rd pit by the corner doors (closest to sportsbook) that was only open on Saturdays and maybe holidays. The that first pit, which is open all the times had 2 double deck games with ASM. Same tables and ASM as before the configuration. The older box type ASM.

With the configuration, there were 2 additional double deck games added to the end of the pit. Sort of on the corners of the pit. These two tables featured a newer, sleeker, less box-ier type of ASM. I should have but didn't note the name.

El Co is a place I would hit several times a week for very short sessions. And despite its sweaty rep, I have had relatively few problems. They have one of the best games in Vegas by rules, so I would stop in 2-3 times a week whenever I was downtown or passing by downtown. So it didn't take long before I was getting in a decent amount of play. First thing I noticed was that I rarely won on these tables with the newer ASM. I don't like to put too much stock in a "feeling" or noticing you don't seem to be winning in a certain situation, because blackjack card counting involves huge swings and variance. BUT, this gut feeling just said something was wrong.

So the way to prove this is tracking hundreds and hundreds of shoes. And even that probably wouldn't be proof that would stand up in court. But I wasn't planning on taking anybody to court. I wanted to prove it to myself, before I said anything and I wanted to prove it to myself so I knew to be on the lookout for more of this kind of thing. So I tracked hundreds of shoes of double deck play. Some I played, just flat betting the minimum while I tracked, others I just watched from behind the table, sometimes even a slot machine nearby. I was looking for 2 things, an abnormally high number of high count frequencies and a fewer number of blackjacks. The normal blackjack distribution is 1 of 21 hands you should receive a blackjack or just under 5%. After 100 of shoes it was more like 3% and there seemed to be an abnormally high count in an excessive number of shoes. Remember if the 10 value clump was in the middle, end, or after the cut card, you are going to see a high true count. So a true count of plus 4 or whatever I was looking for, that should occur less than 10% of the time was happening in most shoes. Like 70-75%. The only shoes it didn't happen was when the 10 value clump was at the beginning of the shoe as then the count would immediately go negative and stay there.

I ran my findings by Don Schlesinger, who confirmed they were pretty abnormal. He later back-tracked a little bit, but they were still abnormally high. So I posted what I found. Posted here first, and simultaneously posted at Norm's blackjack forum where I was banned using a handle of spiderman. I wasn't trying to hide who I was and it was guessed fairly quickly. I did not post it at WoV as it was someone else that took the discussion there and to a second blackjack forum. But, there was a lot of discussion about this at 4 different forums, including several that bigger forums like WoV and Norm's forum. I don't know where else it might have been discussed but it probably traveled to other forums as well.

So what happened was like a week later, maybe 10 days, all of the sudden those 2 newer ASM, the newer sleeker, versions disappeared. The blackjack tables on the corners had no ASM. And a very short time after that the blackjack tables themselves were replaced by two different table games. And those two sleeker, slimmer, more modern ASM have never made a re-appearance at El Cortez. I did see that model at one other location in Vegas, but I didn't put in the time to see if they were illegally being used, so I don't want to accuse anything. To this day El Co has the original 2 double deck games with the original older box-like ASM.

[coach belly]

I think you remember damn well what happened.

I don't remember what happened.

But you didn't answer my question, as far as I can tell...has the casino continued to cheat?

[kewlJ]

I don't remember what happened.

But you didn't answer my question, as far as I can tell...has the casino continued to cheat?

Not by this means. I don't play anything but blackjack at EL Co, so I can't speak to anything else they may or may not do, but after this incident, I have witness nothing unusual and EC continues to be one of my better result locations, although I don't play there as much as I used to.

But anybody that takes the position that the casino industry would never cheat, just does NOT KNOW the history of this industry. That is all I was trying to warn with this entire thing.

[coach belly]

anybody that takes the position that the casino industry would never cheat, just does NOT KNOW the history of this industry.

Did the EC remove the newer ASMs because they were caught cheating?

[kewlJ]

Did the EC remove the newer ASMs because they were caught cheating?

See, I consider this question at this point in the discussion a troll-ass move.

I tried to treat you with respect and engage in a decent, normal discussion, and you go right back to trolling. You have never been about anything except playing games, on any forum I have ever seen you on.