My Casino back-rooming.

[Rob.Singer]

Kew just admit it--you and your forum-concocted life took a huge hit on this one. You should have thought it through a little better when you present a bunch of lies that make no sense.

This isn't good news for your people.

[MisterV]

The accusing words "roughed up" were used. With the result being a broken arm, that's assault, not an accident.

So the key to your analysis is that histrionic KJ used the word "roughed up" and "thrown onto a chair?"

I am sure he could give more details if he wanted, but my suspicion is that by "roughed up" he means they grabbed and pulled him, like cops do to perps, and by "thrown into a chair" he means the guard pushed him toward a seating position.

If so this would seem to be typical behavior by LE in this situation and would not in and of itself rise to the level of criminal conduct; but I could be wrong if I misunderstand the true facts.

There was no reference by KJ to being struck (slap, punch, kick) which is what is typically involved in being roughed up.

OK, I concede it is possible but not at all likely that the guard is a suspect in a pending assault charge.

Say Rob, you're the guy with lots of contacts (allegedly): why not put out feelers at Sweat Point and see what you can learn, both about the incident and whether the cops followed up?

Surely you via your FBI relative or another source can accomplish that?

[kewlJ]

Kew just admit it--you and your forum-concocted life took a huge hit on this one. You should have thought it through a little better when you present a bunch of lies that make no sense.

This isn't good news for your people.

Not going to work Rob. You have already been exposed YET AGAIN.

But there is no time limit I guess. POST MY NAME!!! You have every ounce of my permission. Two words and you have your credibility with all this Nephew FBI , look into this, look into that, bullshit of 10 years.

POST MY NAME or just STFU.

[kewlJ]

The accusing words "roughed up" were used. With the result being a broken arm, that's assault, not an accident.

So the key to your analysis is that histrionic KJ used the word "roughed up" and "thrown onto a chair?"

I am sure he could give more details if he wanted, but my suspicion is that by "roughed up" he means they grabbed and pulled him, like cops do to perps, and by "thrown into a chair" he means the guard pushed him toward a seating position.

If so this would seem to be typical behavior by LE in this situation and would not in and of itself rise to the level of criminal conduct; but I could be wrong if I misunderstand the true facts.

There was no reference by KJ to being struck (slap, punch, kick) which is what is typically involved in being roughed up.

OK, I concede it is possible but not at all likely that the guard is a suspect in a pending assault charge.

I am sorry MisterV. I absolutely cannot "give more details" and speak to this right now. You can continue talking but I can't. There will be a day thought.

[Rob.Singer]

The accusing words "roughed up" were used. With the result being a broken arm, that's assault, not an accident.

So the key to your analysis is that histrionic KJ used the word "roughed up" and "thrown onto a chair?"

I am sure he could give more details if he wanted, but my suspicion is that by "roughed up" he means they grabbed and pulled him, like cops do to perps, and by "thrown into a chair" he means the guard pushed him toward a seating position.

If so this would seem to be typical behavior by LE in this situation and would not in and of itself rise to the level of criminal conduct; but I could be wrong if I misunderstand the true facts.

There was no reference by KJ to being struck (slap, punch, kick) which is what is typically involved in being roughed up.

OK, I concede it is possible but not at all likely that the guard is a suspect in a pending assault charge.

I am sorry MisterV. I absolutely cannot "give more details" and speak to this right now. You can continue talking but I can't. There will be a day thought.

. He's suddenly tongue-tied because he's lying.

The police don't care who says what when there's an injury involved in a report. They investigate.

Kew talked himself....and I mean TALKED himself....into a pickle on this one. You can tell he's already squirming....struggling to find ways to deflect and words that'll comfort him.

This is the fun & entertaining part of watching kew perform on forums. There's nothing more satisfying that witnessing a complete weakling do himself in!

[AxelWolf]

KJ.. Or whomever....

It's been a long while since I have been back roomed in Nevada. Over the numouse times in the past, I have not once been asked to sign anything. I can't recall others being asked to sign anything either. I can't Recall Bob ever mentioning people having to sign anything. There's no need for Nevada casinos to get you to sign anything since they can 86 you for whatever reason they want. Is this some new development in Las Vegas? What exactly do theses things say they want you to sign? Why are they needed here in Nevada?


In other states like NJ they have strict law's regarding 86ing people, and they are ALWAYS trying to get you to sign something saying you agree not to come back.

[MisterV]

Rob, he hasn't "done himself in," so far as I can tell, he simply has decided not to provide additional details.

Isn't that what you recommended he do?

So now you flame him for following your advice?

Get outa here!

[kewlJ]

I can say speak to this about this incident because it has nothing to do with any ongoing action.

As time has gone on and I have looked back, I am really very disappointed and upset with myself, for not seeing this coming until it was upon me. I always say that no backoff or baring/86 occurs without several warnings. I failed to notice any warning shots.

I also am always aware of my surrounding and always see potential trouble before it hits. At times I have been able to actually exit a game early, leave and avoid anything that was coming. Other times, I didn't avoid it as they may have been verbally backing me off, as I was in motion exiting, but seeing the trouble before it taps you on the back and actually being in motion is half the battle. At that point, to stop you they must tackle you, which I guess I would be in the same situation I am in now.

But I just feel like I failed in every way, to notice what was probably very clearly coming. I have said it several times, but I think there was a degree of complacency on my part and that is epic failure.

[Rob.Singer]

The accusing words "roughed up" were used. With the result being a broken arm, that's assault, not an accident.

So the key to your analysis is that histrionic KJ used the word "roughed up" and "thrown onto a chair?"

I am sure he could give more details if he wanted, but my suspicion is that by "roughed up" he means they grabbed and pulled him, like cops do to perps, and by "thrown into a chair" he means the guard pushed him toward a seating position.

If so this would seem to be typical behavior by LE in this situation and would not in and of itself rise to the level of criminal conduct; but I could be wrong if I misunderstand the true facts.

There was no reference by KJ to being struck (slap, punch, kick) which is what is typically involved in being roughed up.

OK, I concede it is possible but not at all likely that the guard is a suspect in a pending assault charge.

Say Rob, you're the guy with lots of contacts (allegedly): why not put out feelers at Sweat Point and see what you can learn, both about the incident and whether the cops followed up?

Surely you via your FBI relative or another source can accomplish that?

I already posted about what my contact at SP reported: nothing to report. That doesn't mean nothing happened. If it did then it's being kept under wraps. But that along with the claim that a ghost report was given to Metro ASAP means there's a good chance Eli's coming for kew.

Still, I expect after all this pressure along with advice from the attorney, kew should be filing a report or has in the last 24hrs. He needs it now.

[kewlJ]

KJ.. Or whomever....

It's been a long while since I have been back roomed in Nevada. Over the numouse times in the past, I have not once been asked to sign anything. I can't recall others being asked to sign anything either. I can't Recall Bob ever mentioning people having to sign anything. There's no need for Nevada casinos to get you to sign anything since they can 86 you for whatever reason they want. Is this some new development in Las Vegas? What exactly do theses things say they want you to sign? Why are they needed here in Nevada?


In other states like NJ they have strict law's regarding 86ing people, and they are ALWAYS trying to get you to sign something saying you agree not to come back.

Sorry, I cannot speak on this at this time Axelwolf. There will come a time. Maybe I will post the document at the appropriate time, or at least show you privately.

[Rob.Singer]

I can say speak to this about this incident because it has nothing to do with any ongoing action.

As time has gone on and I have looked back, I am really very disappointed and upset with myself, for not seeing this coming until it was upon me. I always say that no backoff or bring/86 occurs without several warnings. I failed to notice any waring shots.

I also am always aware of my surrounding and always see potential trouble before it hits. At times I have been able to actually exit a game early, leave and avoid anything that was coming. Other times, I didn't avoid it as they may have been verbally backing me off, as I was in motion exiting, but seeing the trouble before it taps you on the back and actually being in motion is half the battle. At that point, to stop you they must tackle you, which I guess I would be in the same situation I am in now.

But I just feel like I failed in every way, to notice what was probably very clearly coming. I have said it several times, but I think there was a degree of complacency on my part and that is epic failure.

Irrelevant. You can attribute all that to a lifetime of handouts, feeling entitled, playing the gay card, and having no productivity whatsoever.

Don't Cry For Me, Argentino.....

[kewlJ]

Really Rob, you are still going on with this police report bullshit, even after I just proved you don't even know my name, so there is no way on God's green earth you looked into any police report. YES, police reports are for the most part public and can be obtained, if you know the person's name, which YOU don't.

I also have no idea how that works as far as active investigation (not speaking of this case specifically). Is a police report from an active case available to the public? I have no idea. What does your FBI Nephew say Rob? (I also have no idea if this is still an active case as far as the police are concern, so I am not saying that either).

[AxelWolf]

In one of my cases where I was assaulted by security, the security guard quickly filed a police report saying I assaulted him(Obviously, I didn't.). I put my hands up to show that I wasn't assaulting anyone and that I didn't have anything in my hands. They claim I hit them as my hands went up LOL.


I can't remember exactly how or why, but the fact that they filed an assult police report first somehow complicated things.

[AxelWolf]

KJ.. Or whomever....

It's been a long while since I have been back roomed in Nevada. Over the numouse times in the past, I have not once been asked to sign anything. I can't recall others being asked to sign anything either. I can't Recall Bob ever mentioning people having to sign anything. There's no need for Nevada casinos to get you to sign anything since they can 86 you for whatever reason they want. Is this some new development in Las Vegas? What exactly do theses things say they want you to sign? Why are they needed here in Nevada?


In other states like NJ they have strict law's regarding 86ing people, and they are ALWAYS trying to get you to sign something saying you agree not to come back.

Sorry, I cannot speak on this at this time Axelwolf. There will come a time. Maybe I will post the document at the appropriate time, or at least show you privately.

They actually gave you the document? I was under the assumption you didn't sign anything.

[monet]

In one of my cases where I was assaulted by security, the security guard quickly filed a police report saying I assaulted him(Obviously, I didn't.). I put my hands up to show that I wasn't assaulting anyone and that I didn't have anything in my hands. They claim I hit them as my hands went up LOL.


I can't remember exactly how or why, but the fact that they filed an assult police report first somehow complicated things.

The greatest AP Wolf on all Gambling Forums sure does have a hard time remembering all the time.
Must be all that Captain Morgan or just all the bullshit stories you keep mixing up.
You shouldn't be getting back roomed or security-ed for anything, anyways.
Poser!

[kewlJ]

They actually gave you the document? I was under the assumption you didn't sign anything.

I just can't talk about this right now, AW. There was a window that I could and did talk about this stuff when I started the thread, because I thought I had decided not to pursue anything. That has changed, in no small way due to you and others suggesting that I not let this go. Now that window is closed again. But I would refer you back to the first post of this thread when that window was open. I think you will find your answer there.

But lets get into something I can talk about Axel. When did this 86ing and back rooming of yours occur as I haven't heard this before? Where was it (can you share?) Since police reports were filed, apparently on both sides, was there legal action? What was the outcome. Again, I apologize if this is common knowldege....I haven't heard of it before.

[AxelWolf]

I can say speak to this about this incident because it has nothing to do with any ongoing action.

As time has gone on and I have looked back, I am really very disappointed and upset with myself, for not seeing this coming until it was upon me. I always say that no backoff or baring/86 occurs without several warnings. I failed to notice any warning shots.

I also am always aware of my surrounding and always see potential trouble before it hits. At times I have been able to actually exit a game early, leave and avoid anything that was coming. Other times, I didn't avoid it as they may have been verbally backing me off, as I was in motion exiting, but seeing the trouble before it taps you on the back and actually being in motion is half the battle. At that point, to stop you they must tackle you, which I guess I would be in the same situation I am in now.

But I just feel like I failed in every way, to notice what was probably very clearly coming. I have said it several times, but I think there was a degree of complacency on my part and that is epic failure.

I told you this before. No matter how cautious or careful you are, what you know, or how good you are, there's absolutely no way you can avoid the many things outside your control from happening. It can be something as simple as mistaken identity.

Imagine making plays around Las Vegas alongside a fellow AP on and off for a few years. Then many years later while waiting on a hand pay in the casino that same guy walks up to hand pay you. Nothing bad happened in that scenario (I tipped more than normal). But it certainly could've been a bad situation that was totally out of my control.

I'm surprised you haven't been 86ed from more places over the many years you have been playing vegas at your levels.

[kewlJ]

I am seriously just trying to figure out how this came to be circulating BEFORE I said a word? I guess maybe some AP had a source at the casino in question, but you wouldn't think they would be talking much. Anyone have any ideas on this? I always talk about the AP community and people that aren't AP's, so they don't know, think I am nuts. But the AP community is well connected.

I'll tell you what I am thinking on this matter. I am thinking some AP, probably here in Vegas, has a friend or associate or possibly even a family member that works at the casino in question, maybe not even in security, maybe works in the pit or a dealer even and that friend or relative called his AP buddy and said "Better steer clear of this casinos, they just back-roomed someone and broke his arm" (which wasn't even confirmed at the time, although I knew it).

But even something like, that.....how did it become known that it was me and circulating prior to my saying anything?

[kewlJ]

I'm surprised you haven't been 86ed from more places over the many years you have been playing vegas at your levels.

No, I never had anyone trespass me and tell me I couldn't come back. I have had many, many backoffs, most polite. "No more blackjack", "Your game is too strong" that type of thing. One of them the guy said "You are done for TODAY". Almost saying I was free to play the next day. (And I have returned many times).

About the closest I have come would be a phone call (which is weird in itself) from Club Fortune in Henderson, where I knew my abusing a blackjack promotion was drawing attention. But even he didn't say "trespass" and not to come back.

[AxelWolf]

I'm sure I have wrote about it before. I think it was Alan Mendelson who got argumentative with me when I said they assaulted and back roomed me for simply playing a Video-poker progressive at the Stardust. Im sure I went into details about what happened.