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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You have nothing better to do so go dig up some quotes for us. Please.I
    Actually I have a lot of other things to do but posting on these boards amuses me.

    Since you said the magic word ("Please") I will give you the quote that started the challenge, and then explain why Redietz did not lose.

    The quote: "Mickey claimed he could snag Room 861 at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas for fifty dollars a night. Since 861 is an Executive Suite King, I have my doubts, but I will donate $200 to him if he can show a receipt demonstrating that he procured that room for that amount."

    Analysis: To be fair, the challenge by its terms was quite clear: Mickey wins if he shows proof of getting the room for fifty dollars a night.

    Apparently Mickey said he could, and Redietz took him up on it.

    Mickey used a comp: that is NOT what the challenge was; it did not provide for ANYTHING other than getting it for fifty bucks; not for more, not for less, only for fifty bucks.

    Had Mickey not used a comp, and had he gotten a receipt proving he got the room for any price OTHER than fifty bucks he'd have lost the challenge.
    What, Me Worry?

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    The quote: "Mickey claimed he could snag Room 861 at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas for fifty dollars a night. Since 861 is an Executive Suite King, I have my doubts, but I will donate $200 to him if he can show a receipt demonstrating that he procured that room for that amount."
    The ditz lied right there...""Mickey claimed he could snag Room 861 at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas for fifty dollars a night."...that statement was an outright lie.

    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Had Mickey not used a comp, and had he gotten a receipt proving he got the room for any price OTHER than fifty bucks he'd have lost the challenge.
    Originally Posted by redietz
    He has a 90-day countdown.
    I'm not sure that reserving the room and never checking in will generate a receipt for the rate that was reserved. They will charge a no-show fee if you never check in, but it may be the rack rate. That's probably noted in the reservation T&C.
    Last edited by coach belly; 05-10-2023 at 04:42 PM.

  3. #23
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You have nothing better to do so go dig up some quotes for us. Please.I
    Actually I have a lot of other things to do but posting on these boards amuses me.

    Since you said the magic word ("Please") I will give you the quote that started the challenge, and then explain why Redietz did not lose.

    The quote: "Mickey claimed he could snag Room 861 at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas for fifty dollars a night. Since 861 is an Executive Suite King, I have my doubts, but I will donate $200 to him if he can show a receipt demonstrating that he procured that room for that amount."

    Analysis: To be fair, the challenge by its terms was quite clear: Mickey wins if he shows proof of getting the room for fifty dollars a night.

    Apparently Mickey said he could, and Redietz took him up on it.

    Mickey used a comp: that is NOT what the challenge was; it did not provide for ANYTHING other than getting it for fifty bucks; not for more, not for less, only for fifty bucks.

    Had Mickey not used a comp, and had he gotten a receipt proving he got the room for any price OTHER than fifty bucks he'd have lost the challenge.
    No, V. The challenge started in ditz trip report thread. In post 18 he said "Of course, saying you can get a room for $50 and doing it are, occasionally, two different things. I'm sure mickey would have no problem showing us all how he could snag that room for fifty dollars. But he won't. Because either he can't or it's, shhhh, wait for it, "an AP secret." I'd offer mickey a hundred bucks if he could rustle up a receipt for that room showing he paid fifty bucks. In fact, I'd offer him two hundred."

    In post 30 my response was "I would have gotten the room for free, poser pro."

    Here's the pic. I'm Diamond so there are no resort fee's. And there is no sales tax on a room that is free. Eat your heart out, ditz.
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    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  4. #24
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by accountinquestion View Post
    You have nothing better to do so go dig up some quotes for us. Please.I
    Actually I have a lot of other things to do but posting on these boards amuses me.

    Since you said the magic word ("Please") I will give you the quote that started the challenge, and then explain why Redietz did not lose.

    The quote: "Mickey claimed he could snag Room 861 at the Horseshoe in Las Vegas for fifty dollars a night. Since 861 is an Executive Suite King, I have my doubts, but I will donate $200 to him if he can show a receipt demonstrating that he procured that room for that amount."

    Analysis: To be fair, the challenge by its terms was quite clear: Mickey wins if he shows proof of getting the room for fifty dollars a night.

    Apparently Mickey said he could, and Redietz took him up on it.

    Mickey used a comp: that is NOT what the challenge was; it did not provide for ANYTHING other than getting it for fifty bucks; not for more, not for less, only for fifty bucks.

    Had Mickey not used a comp, and had he gotten a receipt proving he got the room for any price OTHER than fifty bucks he'd have lost the challenge.
    There is a definite implied suggestion that it is $50 or less. Anytime something is agreed upon like this it would imply $50 or less. If someone gave you $50, you could get the room. That simple. The idea that it has to be $50 exactly is an absurd interpretation which is clearly not the intent.

    You give Mickey $50 he can go get the room without spending a penny more.

    To be perfectly fair a reasonable outcome would be if Redietz pays $100. Mickey set out in good faith from what I see.

    Redietz should do his part and pay up the measly $100.

    MisterV's interpretation is really bad TBH. The original post as per Mickey has it ambiguous and not clear.

    With MisterV's interpretation the whole thing was a total sham where Mickey couldn't even win. Like he's going to get the room for $50 on the nose? Give us a break.

    PS - At this point I'd never make a bet with MisterV.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  5. #25
    I concur that it was implied that MC would have won if he paid less than fifty bucks, but therein lies the rub: he has to have actually paid that amount, not used a comp.

    Since you opt to consider implied terms, I submit the challenge as framed in Redietz's quote above certainly implied that using a comp to get the room would not meet the challenge.

    Really, the challenge got side tracked down the rabbit hole; the question was would the casino ever give the room to anybody, including MC, for fifty bucks (or less)?

    Like him or not, Redietz certainly should have known that MC could get a room via comp: the challenge impled no comp would be used.
    What, Me Worry?

  6. #26
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    I concur that it was implied that MC would have won if he paid less than fifty bucks, but therein lies the rub: he has to have actually paid that amount, not used a comp.

    Since you opt to consider implied terms, I submit the challenge as framed in Redietz's quote above certainly implied that using a comp to get the room would not meet the challenge.

    Really, the challenge got side tracked down the rabbit hole; the question was would the casino ever give the room to anybody, including MC, for fifty bucks (or less)?

    Like him or not, Redietz certainly should have known that MC could get a room via comp: the challenge impled no comp would be used.
    It is very ambiguous to me with implications that could be used to argue either side. Thats why $100 is a reasonable amount. We'll see if Redietz is a man of class.

    If he won't pay it, I can pay it but it will require buying a vanilla gift card I guess. It will take some time as I won't be going out of my way. It is the least we can do for charity to make up for this downright shameful incident.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  7. #27
    Nothing ambiguous about a bet. Bets don't involve intent. You mayn't put your chips on one spot, but, after you lose, claim that it was your intent to put them on the other.

    Lol at the "essays" by V. Turning full-blown KJ/Redietz.

  8. #28
    All that fucking typing, emotion, and, so on, added up to less than zilch.

  9. #29
    Whatever.

    I made my points, am firm in my opinion and have backed it up.
    What, Me Worry?

  10. #30
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Whatever.

    I made my points, am firm in my opinion and have backed it up.
    I get the room for free with no resort fee's. East your hearts out, Mrs. V and Deadbeat Dietz.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

  11. #31
    The only intent that matters is that Redietz has no monetary account here, and, so, the bet was never really on. Beyond that, it would have been a very stupid bet to allow for all manner of loophole. To top it off, he offered his online adversary a free roll. No one who knows KJ, Redietz et al online would have anything other (than ironclad legal contracts, and the money up front) to do with them. He had to make it a free roll to declare Crimm in. Straight-up psychology. Such as their talking about other things for so long that they thought it was time again to re-make the same old nonsensical claims, and bets. LarryS asked the question that anyone with the golden goose would rent it out. Before that, I put a thread up here to get to the bottom of it, but, Lolly Dally Dan was afraid to get at the truth, edited the heck out of it. So, no wonder that Dan, too, kept supporting them.
    Last edited by OppsIdidItAgain; 05-11-2023 at 07:29 AM.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by OppsIdidItAgain View Post
    The only intent that matters is that Redietz has no monetary account here, and, so, the bet was never really on. Beyond that, it would have been a very stupid bet to allow for all manner of loophole. To top it off, he offered his online adversary a free roll. No one who knows KJ, Redietz et al online would have anything other (than ironclad legal contracts, and the money up front) to do with them. He had to make it a free roll to declare Crimm in. Straight-up psychology. Such as their talking about other things for so long that they thought it was time again to re-make the same old nonsensical claims, and bets. LarryS asked the question that anyone with the golden goose would rent it out. Before that, I put a thread up here to get to the bottom of it, but, Lolly Dally Dan was afraid to get at the truth, edited the heck out of it. So, no wonder that Dan, too, kept supporting them.
    Wait what was the nature of this thread deleted?

    It wasn't a total freeroll in that Mickey had to go through some effort to attempt to get his money. When he lost, he lost that work and presumably the "value" of the comp.
    It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"

  13. #33
    https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...sports-betting

    If I recall - I started off with Redietz' sports company, and the word, scam, in the title, calling it all a scam, but, Dan changed the title, fairly quickly.

    Redietz was calling me an asshole or something before the first time he self-promoted here. But, how could shit like that not be a scam of some sort and degree? It's not like you need "investors" to make a sports bet. Helpers, maybe, but not "investors". Looks like Red was more of a helper, of a different sort, than an "investor".

    P.S. The more I think about it, it could have been that Dan deleted my first attempt. Dan might recall more. Anyway, the scammers are the first to "call you out" when somebody says something real about it.
    Last edited by OppsIdidItAgain; 05-11-2023 at 12:50 PM.

  14. #34
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I get the room for free with no resort fee's. East your hearts out, Mrs. V and Deadbeat Dietz.
    Great Mickey, you get the room for free, with no resort fess.

    *golf clap*

    But that doesn't satisfy the requirements of the challenge Redietz made to you.

    BTW, if you think your getting the room comped would make me want to eat my heart out, you're not quite the clever lad I thought you were.
    What, Me Worry?

  15. #35
    Originally Posted by MisterV View Post
    Originally Posted by mickeycrimm View Post
    I get the room for free with no resort fee's. East your hearts out, Mrs. V and Deadbeat Dietz.
    But that doesn't satisfy the requirements of the challenge Redietz made to you..
    You are right. I haven't met the requirements. When Dietz escrows the money with Druff I'll consider meeting the requirements.
    "More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ

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