The Verdict Is?

[jbjb]

Just put all 3 of them (KJ, Stringer, and dawg) on polygraph tests.

[Rob.Singer]

Rob was wrong about his ACH claims two days ago and he is still wrong two days later. Initially Rob said that ACH deposits are only made during banking business hours. I proved he was wrong by reminding him that Social Security, which is ACH, hits peoples bank accounts in the early morning hours between midnight and 2am. The fact is ACH deposits are released to banks at 5 different intervals throughout the day with the final one being late in the evening, well after business hours.

So now he has changed to harping on that the update that occur very early AM Saturday (just after midnight Friday), is on a weekend which is not a business day. That update is for transactions that occurred on Friday which IS a business day. Rob has this idea that he can repeat something even if it is wrong or a proven lie and eventually it will be believed. I mean he is still doing that with the DU bug claim, The Newell (and thanks for the reminder MaxPen) and his latest the 1,5 million dollar 10 play jackpot. The guy never stops, even when proven wrong.

Kew, that rant you just wrote about ACH, SS and what I said is littered with lies. I receive SS every month and so does my wife. Why on earth would anybody believe what you claim about it, especially as a proven liar.

[Rob.Singer]

Some banks use FPS (Faster Payments Services). Some banks have weird funds available times. I don't think any of these arguments are valid without knowing the specifics of the transaction.

It's definitely no smoking gun like this.



Never forget the squeegee....RIP

You should have stopped after "think". Your specialty is offering up questionable and unproven statements that have little basis is operational reality every time you feel the P-A-I-N coming back to haunt you.

Remember "I was told this $1.5mil jackpot was definitely hit at Caesar's by someone else"? and the enduring but inimitable "there's NO DOUBT Singer pulled that jackpot picture from a VP jackpot site"!

Wise up max.... regardless of your deteriorating condition these days....

[Rob.Singer]

It seems kew is a bit on the nervous side as he awaits V's response. He knows V isn't likely to lie like he does. So what's his only recourse? Yup---to attempt diversion and deflection by bring up his repeated lies about me for the hundredth time! Exactly how dense is this mistake of nature?

Have a few more Bud Lites kew.

[kewlJ]

Kew, that rant you just wrote about ACH, SS and what I said is littered with lies. I receive SS every month and so does my wife.

And your social security doesn't hit your bank account just after midnight? It comes during banking hours, which is what you originally said?

Anyway, I am not going to keep going over this for years like you do Rob. Years later you are still trying to convince people about things like the DU bug, Newell, and now more than a year later this fake 1.5 million dollar jackpot. You can do what you want or need to do. I am just not going to keep re-hashing. I shared an experience in its entirety and am now done with it.

[kewlJ]

It seems kew is a bit on the nervous side as he awaits V's response. He knows V isn't likely to lie like he does. So what's his only recourse? Yup---to attempt diversion and deflection by bring up his repeated lies about me for the hundredth time! Exactly how dense is this mistake of nature?

What are you talkling about? Waiting MrV's response on what?

I don't know what you are doing Rob. You are living in some strange delusional world of make-beleive....what you want things to be, instead of what things are. I used to think it was purely a game... a game of trolling, but now I am seriously starting to think you are delusional.....like Alzheimer's/dementia type delusional. Be well Rob.

[kewlJ]

Let me try to clear this up for you Rob.

The story of Rob Singer: A negative -EV Gambler. Now retired from whatever job he had living off social security and pension. Stlll gambling -EV (losing). As with any lifetime or long-term -EV gambler, Rob likely has hit some jackpots along the way. But any talk of a winning progression system, playing the double up bug, owning a Newell RV or this latest 10 play, 1.5 million dollar jackpot is make believe. Rob appears to be jealous and bitter of any advantage players who really make or made money from the casinos.

The story of KJ: A mid level blackjack card counter/advantage player, living and playing Las Vegas for 14 years now making a comfortable living. I have shared the ups and downs, the winning and the losing of what it means to be a mid-level card counter, dealing with the (sometimes extreme) variance of card counting as well as the heat and casino couter-measures involved and what I do or have done to minimize backoffs, and trespasses.

The story of Mdawg: (just for good measure). A born wealthy guy who likes to gamble. He plays -EV, higher stakes blackjack & bacarát, loses overall and is comped accordingly with rooms and suites, just like any other losing player. He probably is good at playing the comp game, manipulating comps to get a little better than he otherwise would.

No need to keep repeating. Nothing changes.

[Rob.Singer]

Kew, that rant you just wrote about ACH, SS and what I said is littered with lies. I receive SS every month and so does my wife.

And your social security doesn't hit your bank account just after midnight? It comes during banking hours, which is what you originally said?

Anyway, I am not going to keep going over this for years like you do Rob. Years later you are still trying to convince people about things like the DU bug, Newell, and now more than a year later this fake 1.5 million dollar jackpot. You can do what you want or need to do. I am just not going to keep re-hashing. I shared an experience in its entirety and am now done with it.

What a dummy. I said SS does not land on a non-banking day. You twist and spin things so they fit your dumbed down world.

You "shared an experience"? All you did is what you're so well-known across the gambling forums for that you're so enthralled with: perpetrating a fabrication for your sick attention and relevance-craving. That's why you jump up and down like a spoiled little brat who just can't get his way whenever the more intelligent people here call you out for your silly hoax.

[Rob.Singer]

It seems kew is a bit on the nervous side as he awaits V's response. He knows V isn't likely to lie like he does. So what's his only recourse? Yup---to attempt diversion and deflection by bring up his repeated lies about me for the hundredth time! Exactly how dense is this mistake of nature?

What are you talkling about? Waiting MrV's response on what?

I don't know what you are doing Rob. You are living in some strange delusional world of make-beleive....what you want things to be, instead of what things are. I used to think it was purely a game... a game of trolling, but now I am seriously starting to think you are delusional.....like Alzheimer's/dementia type delusional. Be well Rob.

More deflection. Your hoaxes about this BJ bs and you having mdawg's personal info delivered to your door JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE JEALOUS OF HIM (and of course me also, who's FOREVER ON YOUR TINY MIND ).

[jbjb]

Just put all 3 of them (KJ, Stringer, and dawg) on polygraph tests.

While we're at it, add that fuckwad EvenBob in there too!

[kewlJ]

What a dummy. I said SS does not land on a non-banking day.

More deflection. Your hoaxes about this BJ bs and you having mdawg's personal info delivered to your door J

Two more Singer lies or just things that he made up.

Rob YOUR social security does not land on a non-banking day. 20 some years ago the SS admin switched to Wednesday payments. You and everyone that started receiving benefits since then receives them early morning on 2nd, 3rd, or 4th Wednesday of the month. But people who have been on social security since before that change get their checks on the 3rd and a month like July where the third fell on a Monday they received their Social security on Saturday. So you are just wrong about this too.

The second thing is I did not receive Mdawgs personal information. I received his win loss totals. So just stop making shit up Rob.

[kewlJ]

Just put all 3 of them (KJ, Stringer, and dawg) on polygraph tests.

While we're at it, add that fuckwad EvenBob in there too!

Jbjb, I am disappointed to hear you say that. What have I said about my blackjack play that you would lump me in with these three? Remember we are talking about gambling claims and results.

Singer claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing a progression wagering system. Claims to have won 2.9 million playing the double up bug. Now claims a 1.5 million dollar jackpot on a 10 play machine, that he set up the hoax a month before he posted it.

Mdawg claims to have won millions now, playing baccarat and blackjack in the high limit room at Cosmo of all places.

Evenbob, well while I have read some of his nonsense, I haven't really read enough to say exactly what he is claiming....some kind of long-term winning at roulette, which is not real.

What among my blackjack claims falls into this category? What defies the math or the way Las Vegas works?

[Rob.Singer]

Just put all 3 of them (KJ, Stringer, and dawg) on polygraph tests.

While we're at it, add that fuckwad EvenBob in there too!

Jbjb, I am disappointed to hear you say that. What have I said about my blackjack play that you would lump me in with these three? Remember we are talking about gambling claims and results.

Singer claims to have won hundreds of thousands of dollars playing a progression wagering system. Claims to have won 2.9 million playing the double up bug. Now claims a 1.5 million dollar jackpot on a 10 play machine, that he set up the hoax a month before he posted it.

Mdawg claims to have won millions now, playing baccarat and blackjack in the high limit room at Cosmo of all places.

Evenbob, well while I have read some of his nonsense, I haven't really read enough to say exactly what he is claiming....some kind of long-term winning at roulette, which is not real.

What among my blackjack claims falls into this category? What defies the math or the way Las Vegas works?

What did you--a confirmed bullshitter, liar, and hoaxer--expect? Maybe he noticed a flaw in how you plagiarize your BJ books.....or isn't sold on your phony MGM execs story, or like most people, he can't square your nonsensical "backroom" horse shit due to all the mistakes you made and lies you told as you fabricated it. You're so desperate you're even making up bs about who knows or said what about SS!

It is, by all accounts, the definition of a serial liar and loser in life.

[MisterV]

Robert, I am not swayed ... yet ... so don't look to me to ratify your seeming hatred of KJ.

Sure, I see problems with his backroom story ... but I said I'll give him a couple months to see what if anything happens to prove or disprove it.

But if nothing new in the way of proof is adduced I will likely walk away with "serious questions" about his claim and credibility.

[kewlJ]

The way this whole situation has transformed just seems weird to me. You have two guys, Singer and Mdawg completely bent out of shape. Singer is supposed to be vacationing in Lake Tahoe for the summer and Mdawg on a Vegas gambling trip for the last 3 weeks where he claims he has won 150k+. These are also 2 guys who have claimed millions (plural) in casino winnings and yet both are just completely obsessed with this, posting multiple times daily on two different forums.

And it is not enough that they expressed their opinion (which is fine), but they are actively lobbying people like MrV, as well as Mdawg privately PMing a number of members last week, like they are working a jury or something.

Additionally, they are both demanding some kind of proof from me like this is some kind of trial. Both have suggested I show a screen shot of my bank account. Like I would EVER do that?

It is amazing to me that Rob Singer in particular is demanding this proof, when he has never done so on any of his claims. I never demanded proof of Singer because this is a gambling forum, no one is on trail. But others, including forum moderators Shackleford and Dan Druff have requested proof from Singer, like tax returns from his Double up bug days, and Rob always had some weird excuse about having thrown them away. Like I said, no one is on trial so I personally never demanded or requested that from him. And I don't need some doctored tax returns or anything else to know what is real and what isn't and who knows what they are talking about and who doesn't.

From Singer, we have had a phony bill of sale with all signatures in the same handwriting, Phony jackpot pictures, a photo of a stack of prop money purchased from amazon, and a picture of Singer in an RV at the dealership, claiming it was his. Aren't we past this point where proof shown on the internet means anything but a good chuckle?

[coach belly]

Aren't we past this point where proof shown on the internet means anything but a good chuckle?

I don't understand your question.

Are you acknowledging that if you show any proof it will be phony?

I don't recall anyone challenging Alan's W2Gs as doctored or phony.

Are the photos in the Jackpots thread phony?

[Rob.Singer]

Robert, I am not swayed ... yet ... so don't look to me to ratify your seeming hatred of KJ.

Sure, I see problems with his backroom story ... but I said I'll give him a couple months to see what if anything happens to prove or disprove it.

But if nothing new in the way of proof is adduced I will likely walk away with "serious questions" about his claim and credibility.

Very diplomatic V. Maybe you're doing what he's doing by trying to allow time to sweep it all out-of-sight & out-of-mind....and maybe you're not.

Either way, when someone who proclaims to be an "AP" in such an unabashedly ongoing fashion, scores basically 50% in a poll of his peers about his honesty about a tale where no proof, evidence or pictures whatsoever has been offered up to counter his many, many missteps, walk-backs, and outright lies of procedure and the case filing, there's not a lot more he can concoct that'll heal his never-ending wounds over it.

As a side note....I'm glad it was you who posted words about hitting handpays at SM & CW casinos, without pictures. Would you have believed it if it were kew?

Think about it.

[Rob.Singer]

Aren't we past this point where proof shown on the internet means anything but a good chuckle?

I don't understand your question.

Are you acknowledging that if you show any proof it will be phony?

I don't recall anyone challenging Alan's W2Gs as doctored or phony.

Are the photos in the Jackpots thread phony?

He's saying proof is required of everybody but him and those who have not offended him by questioning his stories.

Everyone else who has him pegged? ABSOLUTELY!

[Rob.Singer]

Robert, I am not swayed ... yet ... so don't look to me to ratify your seeming hatred of KJ.

Sure, I see problems with his backroom story ... but I said I'll give him a couple months to see what if anything happens to prove or disprove it.

But if nothing new in the way of proof is adduced I will likely walk away with "serious questions" about his claim and credibility.

I'm still wondering....do you see any problems with his story about the "Halloween special delivery" to his doorstep?

[MisterV]

I'm not sure what to think about the money delivery claim, I've not looked into how that works.

It could be that his backroom claim was just a lie, more particularly a "counter-troll" to repay those who troll him: that might even be apt.

Which is fine, except when his supporters buy into it and then have serious questions, his house of cards seems a tad shaky.

Oh, as for my posting about the handpays: I only mentioned it to point out the power of variance; none of the handpays were particularly high, the highest was $2500.00, so I ain't on Easy Street.