Tarzan Atlantic City Card counter known for Tarzan Count

[kewlJ]

Earlier today, I mentioned some players and members from the first blackjack forum I was on. I neglected to mention a player that went by Tarzan who played Atlantic City for several decades. I am sure others slipped my mind as well. It hasn't been confirmed yet, but I just read that Tarzan may have passed in the last 6 months. I know at least one member here, knew of Tarzan, I suspect maybe a couple more. Jbjb were you familiar with Tarzan and the Tarzan count?

I communicated privately quite a bit with Tarzan during my time at Norm's Forum. After I left, we exchanged emails for a year or so and then it died off. I can't say I learned a great deal from Tarzan because he was completely opposite of me when it came to blackjack philosophy, he playing an extremely complex custom count, while I am a proponent of simplicity.

So, the Tarzan count was a 3 column count in which high cards, small cards and the middle cards that many counts don't even track, were all counted separately. These 3 columns resulted in a 3 digit number that corresponded to the exact advantage on each hand. Much more exact than an offset type count like I and most players use. This allowed Tarzan to play a much smaller bet spread, which allowed him to play Atlantic City of all places, basically undetected for decades.

If any of this sounds familiar, the late player that posted as Moses was heavily influenced by Tarzan and later came up with his own column count.

So shortly after I left Norm's forum, Tarzan made a trip out here to Las Vegas to meet with Micheal Shackleford. I am sure he played some blackjack while here, but the trip was specifically to meet with Shackleford. Wizard didn't really know who he was and gave him 30 minutes time. They met at a public place on the strip and Tarzan demonstrated his Tarzan count, which was not under the most ideal circumstances. Wizard was not impressed and dismissed it as a "parlor trick" (Mike's words). Mike said no one could maintain that count through 6 and 8 decks which is exactly what Tarzan did by all accounts for years.

I think Tarzan thought meeting with Wizard would open some doors to being published. He probably would have been better served to have met with Anthony Curtis. Tarzan always promised to publish his count, but I don't remember ever reading that he did so. It would be a real shame if he passed without having done so.

[MaxPen]

Don't worry. You will be remembered for being a FRAUD. Regardless of the number of threads you create....RIP


For the dimwitted germatria tards and hobos out there,
Fraud definition- a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.

[monet]

MaxPen making up for not posting over here for a year or so!
It only took him 5 years or so to figure you out QueerJ.
Better late than never.

[MaxPen]

MaxPen making up for not posting over here for a year or so!
It only took him 5 years or so to figure you out QueerJ.
Better late than never.

I'm slow

[Gottlob1]

It only took him 5 years or so to figure you out, QueerJ.

And how long to figure out the Wizard of the Vegas, let alone Singer? Took me all of a month. Yet, every single one of those guys staunchly followed, and defended, the Pied Piper of casino gambling, for years.

Judging from AW's latest stunned reply, over in the Verdict thread, I think that it's about time to go with the monikers: Vegas Retards #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. And lucky #7.

I don't consider Crimm a retard. He seems to have a touch of larcenous pedigree. That boy is "touched", in a way, with the slots. A sort of clinical fixation, or catatonia. At the other end of the spectrum, the totally useless Ozzy didn't make even the list of Vegas Retards. Perhaps, then Vegas Retard #0.

In any even, the fact that Max has to make idiotic "trophies" of such losers, well, lends credence, and claim, to, say, the distinguished undistinguished position of Vegas Retard #1, right ahead of AW, at spot #2. Although AW, no matter how pickled, is never at a loss for words, "Bathroom Boy" just can't seem to get much of nothing out without the use of some overly corny little pictograph, to go with the latest cute, but faggy little phrase. Fights like a girl. Definitely not blessed with the ability to think a couple of steps ahead.

Not much leeway, let alone alternative, with the following definition.

defraud
verb

defrauded; defrauding; defrauds

transitive verb
: to deprive of something by deception or fraud
trying to defraud the public

"Investors in the scheme were defrauded of their life savings."

defrauder
noun

No one or thing in particular.

When dealing with type of stuff and people, I'm right 90% of the time on my first instincts. Whenever I happen to be off on my initial assessment, I get it right soon enough. Obvious people can change either way at some point.

Another curious bit of self-glorifying horseshit totally out of nowhere. Right up there, supposedly, with $2,500 worth of mostly unused fishing licences a year.

[monet]

And how long to figure out the Wizard of the Vegas, let alone Singer? Took me all of a month. Yet, every single one of those guys staunchly followed, and defended, the Pied Piper of casino gambling, for years.

Judging from AW's latest stunned reply, over in the Verdict thread, I think that it's about time to go with the monikers: Vegas Retards #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. And lucky #7.

I don't consider Crimm a retard. He seems to have a touch of larcenous pedigree. That boy is "touched", in a way, with the slots. A sort of clinical fixation, or catatonia. At the other end of the spectrum, the totally useless Ozzy didn't make even the list of Vegas Retards. Perhaps, then Vegas Retard #0.

In any even, the fact that Max has to make idiotic "trophies" of such losers, well, lends credence, and claim, to, say, the distinguished undistinguished position of Vegas Retard #1, right ahead of AW, at spot #2. Although AW, no matter how pickled, is never at a loss for words, "Bathroom Boy" just can't seem to get much of nothing out without the use of some overly corny little pictograph, to go with the latest cute, but faggy little phrase. Fights like a girl. Definitely not blessed with the ability to think a couple of steps ahead.

Not much leeway, let alone alternative, with the following definition.

No one or thing in particular.

When dealing with type of stuff and people, I'm right 90% of the time on my first instincts. Whenever I happen to be off on my initial assessment, I get it right soon enough. Obvious people can change either way at some point.

Another curious bit of self-glorifying horseshit totally out of nowhere. Right up there, supposedly, with $2,500 worth of mostly unused fishing licences a year.

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[smurgerburger]

Too soon. Way too soon.

[Rob.Singer]

Earlier today, I mentioned some players and members from the first blackjack forum I was on. I neglected to mention a player that went by Tarzan who played Atlantic City for several decades. I am sure others slipped my mind as well. It hasn't been confirmed yet, but I just read that Tarzan may have passed in the last 6 months. I know at least one member here, knew of Tarzan, I suspect maybe a couple more. Jbjb were you familiar with Tarzan and the Tarzan count?

I communicated privately quite a bit with Tarzan during my time at Norm's Forum. After I left, we exchanged emails for a year or so and then it died off. I can't say I learned a great deal from Tarzan because he was completely opposite of me when it came to blackjack philosophy, he playing an extremely complex custom count, while I am a proponent of simplicity.

So, the Tarzan count was a 3 column count in which high cards, small cards and the middle cards that many counts don't even track, were all counted separately. These 3 columns resulted in a 3 digit number that corresponded to the exact advantage on each hand. Much more exact than an offset type count like I and most players use. This allowed Tarzan to play a much smaller bet spread, which allowed him to play Atlantic City of all places, basically undetected for decades.

If any of this sounds familiar, the late player that posted as Moses was heavily influenced by Tarzan and later came up with his own column count.

So shortly after I left Norm's forum, Tarzan made a trip out here to Las Vegas to meet with Micheal Shackleford. I am sure he played some blackjack while here, but the trip was specifically to meet with Shackleford. Wizard didn't really know who he was and gave him 30 minutes time. They met at a public place on the strip and Tarzan demonstrated his Tarzan count, which was not under the most ideal circumstances. Wizard was not impressed and dismissed it as a "parlor trick" (Mike's words). Mike said no one could maintain that count through 6 and 8 decks which is exactly what Tarzan did by all accounts for years.

I think Tarzan thought meeting with Wizard would open some doors to being published. He probably would have been better served to have met with Anthony Curtis. Tarzan always promised to publish his count, but I don't remember ever reading that he did so. It would be a real shame if he passed without having done so.

You think it's "back to business as usual" with you after getting caught by virtually EVERYBODY perpetrating a dopey hoax, then stupidly trying to lie your way through it?

Whenever you start a thread or make a post, you'll be looked at as a phony who doesn't know WTF he's talking about. And there will be laughs.

Good luck.

[mickeycrimm]

Don't worry. You will be remembered for being a FRAUD. Regardless of the number of threads you create....RIP


For the dimwitted germatria tards and hobos out there,
Fraud definition- a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.

Nothing maggot max does or says will cover up for him being a maggot

[mickeycrimm]

I'm slow

At least we agree on something. You're damn sure dimwitted.

[Gottlob1]

Please limit your responses to 280 characters or less. I cannot keep up with your longer responses.

Monet, it doesn't look like you will make the list. Same as it appears that Ozzy is the honorary shoo-in for spot #0, given that the list is about a narrow, but scathing, commentary on a few select members. Moreover, you didn't put in the requisite desperate decades of mindless online feuding with hopeless idiots as crazy as you. Better luck, next time. Ha.


Double P.S.S. Special mention goes out to Red.

[kewlJ]

I am going to address multiple things here today, starting with some outlier stuff and working towards the big issue, so many are worked up about. I will be breaking it into a series of post because I now know many of you ADDers don't have the attention span to read one long post.

So first, yes I did start two new threads last night, but it wasn't to deflect from anything. I know you obsessed freaks would bring it back to the one thing you are obsessing about.

When I read about Tarzan, two things came to mind. One was that I hoped it would turn out to not be true, like another recent reported or suspected death here. The second was that Tarzan had a very, very unique column count that he played. It is very complex. Overkill in mind and something that if 1000 people woke up today and decided they wanted to learn to count cards, maybe, just maybe 1 of those 1000 could master the Tarzan count. MAYBE.

So Tarzan always said he would someday publish his count in its entirety. I told the story of his trip here to Vegas to meet with Wizard, but I never knew if he ever got around to publishing like he planned. During a 10 month period from July 2015, through May 2016, I was corresponding with Tarzan a lot and he was trying to explain his count to me. I have some emails where he is going into it pretty extensively. I was thinking I could probably edit out all the non Tarzan count stuff and come up with a pretty good synopsis of his count which would all be in his written word.

But then I started thinking....do I have the right to do that? It is his count......his intellectual property. If he never got around to publishing it, he must have had a reason. And finally, not knowing for sure whether he evil did publish I googled Tarzan Count (which probably should have been my starting point) and was directed to a number of threads at Norms forum, where there were a number of posts, not by Tarzan, but other members that he must have shared info with, that pretty much laid out the count in its entirety, indexes included, especially if you took the trouble to read several different threads. That made me posting any kind of synopsis a moot point. The info is available for anyone who wants it. So if in fact Tarzan has left us, his works remains for others to use that may want to.

[jbjb]

Maybe he's stuck in a backroom somewhere with a broken arm.

[MisterV]

That's cruel.

Funny, but cruel.

Should we not be gracious and "forgive" KJ, a long time forum member, for his seeming faux pas?

Are we not men of distinction?

[soxfan]

I recall the tater-moses make mention of the Tarzan style but thought it only viable buckin up against single decks game, hey hey.

[kewlJ]

I recall the tater-moses make mention of the Tarzan style but thought it only viable buckin up against single decks game, hey hey.

Yes, Tarzan and the Tarzan count was a huge influence on moses. I don't know enough about either count to know just how closely Moses count is to duplicating Tarzan's count.

Using such a count for 6 and 8 decks seems very problematic to me. Tarzan obviously was able to do so. I know people that have met him and verified that he was very successful. But like I said earlier I'd be surprised if 1 in 1000 others could if they tried. And even if you could do it somewhat proficiently, there is just so much opportunity for errors and one of two errors an hour can wipe out the small advantage gained from card counting.

Now Moses decided that such a count would be better suited for single deck. And he was right. All specialty counts as well as higher level counts are better suited for single or double deck over 6-8 shoe games. The question becomes is it worth the extra effort for small diminishing returns or gains. It's like if a guy works 8 hours at $100 an hour and at the end of the 8 hours the boss says he will give you $40 to work 2 more hours, is that worth it? You would have an extra $40, but have worked 25% more hours. That is what diminishing returns is. So for blackjack, yeah, you might earn a little bit more, assuming no more errors, but is that extra work worth it?

My only problem with moses was that there just aren't many real single deck (meaning 3:2) blackjack games left. Reno and a couple small towns. And they won't allow a player to spread more than 1-2 and they won't allow a player to bet any real money. Maybe $25 on weekends.

So it was never that what Moses was proposing wouldn't work mathematically. It is that there just were no single deck games left to play it on that would allow any real money or any kind of decent spread.

[Gottlob1]

Okay, well, that all-time list is really beginning to take shape.


Your Vegas Retards:

0. Ozzy, finally in a list of his own,

1. Max, born yesterday w/o a brain,

2. Singer, steaming pile of shit #1,

3. Mdawg, steaming pile of shit #2,

4. Tasha, gone but not forgotten,

5. V, incidentally, who still has Santa Claus issues,

6. KJ, severely shit on, but, still w/o a just cause,

and, last, but not least,

7. AW, still "feeling lucky".

[MisterV]

LOL, nice job on the list.

But you left out Garnabby: "Nerds rule."

[AxelWolf]

dup.

[AxelWolf]

[QUOTE=AxelWolf;159904]

And how long to figure out the Wizard of the Vegas, let alone Singer? Took me all of a month. Yet, every single one of those guys staunchly followed, and defended, the Pied Piper of casino gambling, for years.

Judging from AW's latest stunned reply, over in the Verdict thread, I think that it's about time to go with the monikers: Vegas Retards #1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6. And lucky #7.

I don't consider Crimm a retard. He seems to have a touch of larcenous pedigree. That boy is "touched", in a way, with the slots. A sort of clinical fixation, or catatonia. At the other end of the spectrum, the totally useless Ozzy didn't make even the list of Vegas Retards. Perhaps, then Vegas Retard #0.

In any even, the fact that Max has to make idiotic "trophies" of such losers, well, lends credence, and claim, to, say, the distinguished undistinguished position of Vegas Retard #1, right ahead of AW, at spot #2. Although AW, no matter how pickled, is never at a loss for words, "Bathroom Boy" just can't seem to get much of nothing out without the use of some overly corny little pictograph, to go with the latest cute, but faggy little phrase. Fights like a girl. Definitely not blessed with the ability to think a couple of steps ahead.

Not much leeway, let alone alternative, with the following definition.

No one or thing in particular.

When dealing with type of stuff and people, I'm right 90% of the time on my first instincts. Whenever I happen to be off on my initial assessment, I get it right soon enough. Obvious people can change either way at some point.

Another curious bit of self-glorifying horseshit totally out of nowhere. Right up there, supposedly, with $2,500 worth of mostly unused fishing licences a year.

I don't disagree with the "another curious bit of self-glorifying" part, but it's not BS. It's hard to calculate this sort of stuff so 90% is certainly up for debate, I will even debate myself on that.

I don't know where you came up with the figure of $2500 worth of wasted fishing licensees a year. You must have miss-understood, I would be surprised if it was over $250 a year.


This year unless something unexpected comes up I'll spend at least $124.65 for 8-10 days of fishing in the PNW on licensing, more if I get a Sammon/Steelhead punch card. If I happened to go to another state after that and decide to fish, It might cost another $40-$100. I came close to buying a fishing license in a surrounding state a few months back while doing some casino stuff, but any good fishing was over 100 miles away. At the time, I thought it was a lot closer than I realized.

Funny you mentioned fishing, I have been planning my RV fishing trip for this year.

I Will Fly into Seattle rent a car and stay for a few days, go to the Aquarium or zoo. Hopefully, see the Teatro ZinZanni dinner show(https://zinzanni.com/seattle/) and then pick up the RV. I'll head toward Bellingham stopping at places like Porttownsen and fishing along the way and do/ go wherever the RV takes us.
https://www.google.com/search?newwin...&bih=587&dpr=3

I got myself a new fishing vest, stocking weighers, Water shoes, and some more tackle. Debating if I actually need a life jacket.