Fiction as fiction can be

[kewlJ]

This was an interesting session. Occurred over the past year, not necessarily during the current trip. I reported it, but not all the details. I didn't want to report it too close to when it happened because I felt like the incident was memorable enough to stick in who knows whose craw for a while.

I played at a casino where I have not played in a very long time. I have a player card there, but no credit line.

I bought in for $35,000. DD Blackjack. 3:2. Regular table. Decent rules.

My min bet was 100, max 5000. I played in that range. I jammed the bet whenever the count was high enough and my total recall of every card played and the sequence of the most recent cards out, told me to jam it up there.

I was playing alone at times, with up to three other players at times.

Eventually, I declared that I was going to take every single (500) chip from the dealer's tray, and wasn't going to stop until I had them all. I wasn't collecting any 1000s, pretty much just 100s and 500s.

It took a very long time, something like ten hours of almost straight play. And there was a lot of back and forth, but eventually, with the final hand being a 5000 one I did it. Now, at this particular casino, every single (500) in the tray wasn't a fortune. But it was a lot. This wasn't one of the majors.

But what's funny is that afterwards, I ran into one of the players who had been at my table, who was surprised that I hadn't cleared many times what I cleared, as in emptied out at least all the 1000 and many of 5000 chips too, because this player mentioned that if I had played flat out there were long periods when I was winning every single hand. But, I didn't look at it that way, I was pressing only when I saw the edge.

But still, to go into a casino, declare a lofty goal, and meet it...pretty nice.

It doesn't always work out that way, or even close. But this time, it did.

Double deck blackjack
Minimum bet $100, Maximum bet $5000
Betting $5000 when the count was high
10 straight hours of play
Won every purple ($500) chip in the tray.
Won $60,000

This is pure fiction. I don't know if it is for a fiction novel, or a movie script. Or maybe it happened on another planet, in another universe in the twilight zone somewhere, but this simply did not happen in real life on the Las Vegas strip, here on earth. A player wouldn't last 15 minutes at any casino on the strip playing like this.

And that is what this campaign to smear me by Mdawg and Singer has really been about. I won't allow them to post this kind of bullshit without calling it out.

Yes, I may have lied a bit to protect myself, once details of my settlement were about to come out. But this is what you are embracing now. Pure fantasy. You people can say I have crossed wires and other homophobic attacks to smear me, but anyone not calling this out and embracing this pure fiction, has crossed wires. MaxPen, going to stay silent on this, are you?

[Rob.Singer]

This was an interesting session. Occurred over the past year, not necessarily during the current trip. I reported it, but not all the details. I didn't want to report it too close to when it happened because I felt like the incident was memorable enough to stick in who knows whose craw for a while.

I played at a casino where I have not played in a very long time. I have a player card there, but no credit line.

I bought in for $35,000. DD Blackjack. 3:2. Regular table. Decent rules.

My min bet was 100, max 5000. I played in that range. I jammed the bet whenever the count was high enough and my total recall of every card played and the sequence of the most recent cards out, told me to jam it up there.

I was playing alone at times, with up to three other players at times.

Eventually, I declared that I was going to take every single (500) chip from the dealer's tray, and wasn't going to stop until I had them all. I wasn't collecting any 1000s, pretty much just 100s and 500s.

It took a very long time, something like ten hours of almost straight play. And there was a lot of back and forth, but eventually, with the final hand being a 5000 one I did it. Now, at this particular casino, every single (500) in the tray wasn't a fortune. But it was a lot. This wasn't one of the majors.

But what's funny is that afterwards, I ran into one of the players who had been at my table, who was surprised that I hadn't cleared many times what I cleared, as in emptied out at least all the 1000 and many of 5000 chips too, because this player mentioned that if I had played flat out there were long periods when I was winning every single hand. But, I didn't look at it that way, I was pressing only when I saw the edge.

But still, to go into a casino, declare a lofty goal, and meet it...pretty nice.

It doesn't always work out that way, or even close. But this time, it did.

Double deck blackjack
Minimum bet $100, Maximum bet $5000
Betting $5000 when the count was high
10 straight hours of play
Won every purple ($500) chip in the tray.
Won $60,000

This is pure fiction. I don't know if it is for a fiction novel, or a movie script. Or maybe it happened on another planet, in another universe in the twilight zone somewhere, but this simply did not happen in real life on the Las Vegas strip, here on earth. A player wouldn't last 15 minutes at any casino on the strip playing like this.

And that is what this campaign to smear me by Mdawg and Singer has really been about. I won't allow them to post this kind of bullshit without calling it out.

Yes, I may have lied a bit to protect myself, once details of my settlement were about to come out. But this is what you are embracing now. Pure fantasy. You people can say I have crossed wires and other homophobic attacks to smear me, but anyone not calling this out and embracing this pure fiction, has crossed wires. MaxPen, going to stay silent on this, are you?

More lies. You lied because you are a weak loser....an imposter posing as someone you're not. And claiming you're "protecting yourself" as an excuse for your hoax-gone-wrong....gee, nobody can see through that either. It's all a fool's way of trying to cover a meaningless life up. Starting these dumb threads is nothing but deflection, and you have to be retard-stupid not to see it. And it's blatantly obvious you're completely unravelled over maxpen's unmasking you as a fraud right in front of the people you always lie to hoping they believe you're the real deal.

I however, thoroughly enjoy watching you squirm in doing these idiotic things.

[MDawg]

Can you imagine this weakling at the blackjack table? Whining, That’s not riiiiiiiight, you gave him a 5 and made his hand and busted me with a king. Whyyyyyy?

I’m sure if anyone ever got paid on a push he’d start up too with the high pitched complaint over why someone else is getting ahead while he’s not. Even if he wanted to stay silent his nervous twitching would give him away.

[smurgerburger]

I'm such a sucker, I actually thought KJ might be leaving for a while this time.

[kewlJ]

If you two want to continue your obsessive attacks of me, don't you have ample opportunity to do so, with a number of other threads? Why do you need to hijack a new thread? I know Druff doesn't visit here often, and when he does doesn't enforce his own rules, but hijacking is against the rules.

The post that this thread is about was made by Mdawg at 3 different gambling forums within the last 12 hours, so it is a relevant gambling topic, concerning Las Vegas and as such I have every right to start a thread to discuss it.

I certainly can understand why Mdawg wants to deflect away rather than defend it.

[smurgerburger]

Yeah MDawg should stop deflecting. Deflecting is bad!

[MisterV]

I'm no blackjack player but wouldn't the casino be able to easily determine over the course of a ten hour session that you are counting cards, given the spread from 100 to 5000 and given your claim that "I was pressing only when I saw the edge?"

The scenario you posit seems more brutal to a casino than the Rape of Nanjing

[kewlJ]

I'm no blackjack player but wouldn't the casino be able to easily determine over the course of a ten hour session that you are counting cards, given the spread from 100 to 5000 and given your claim that "I was pressing only when I saw the edge?"

The bigger strip casinos and even most of the offstrip mid-size casinos all have player evaluation software. This software requires someone in surveillance to input the data from players hands, so it isn't done automatically, but requires someone, usually pit to request the evaluation. It generally takes about 30 minutes to complete a thorough evaluation. Once the evaluation is complete the results will show an average bet for a number of different advantages and disadvantage or positive and negative counts. So even if a player is using a variety of different wagers at the same true count or advantage point, trying to throw people of software off, the evaluation will still show an average higher bet at higher advantages. There is just no way around that.

Now again the evaluation takes 30 minutes to complete, even longer for a 6 or 8 deck shoe game, because it has to see the amount wagered for different counts or advantage point multiple times. BUT, and this is very important, something as blatent as what is being reported in the post by Mdawg, they wouldn't even wait for the evaluation. A player spreading $100 to $5000, playing the closely watched (counter trap) double deck games would last about 10 minutes. What was posted is just not realistic.

[MDawg]

You gotta understand, that anything UNKewlJ posts is based on theory - he doesn't actually play much if at all.

He spends all his days and nights thinking up lies to back up his nonsense. We just saw a few weeks of this with the backrooming fable. He doesn't have time for much else other than concocting nonsense and crying in rage over anything that doesn't gibe with his stay at home theory.

MaxPen on the UNKewl one: Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is. If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

MaxPen positively identified him - as a red to green player, which was just a cover for his real business as a hustler that SeedValue uncovered. The guy doesn't even touch 500 chips, almost never has. Even at GF.com he stated that his average session win was about fifty bucks.

Why waste time writing anything much new about him, when I already have said it best:

The UNKewl one was a liar, and like most liars, he was constantly changing his stories, altering time and personnel from one telling to the next. One time he would tell a story about someone, next time he would switch the story around to give himself the lead. He would sit in the casino coffee shop over coffee and pound cake, talking at random about his experiences, posting constantly on internet forums, plotting ways to take down all those he is envious of, never actually entering the casino, afraid like a nervous poodle to even play.

[Gottlob1]

V, card counting is so obvious that it wouldn't be the first time that I had one or two of the other players openly complain to a pit boss about it. I had dealers tell me that "They don't through you out the back door, anymore." Or, that, "Nowadays, they do a volume business". Naive, and new, card counters are usually the last to find out just how obvious it is no matter what they do.

If I believe anything on the forums, it's Crimm, who makes a conscious effort to travel to any given casino, maybe, once a year, but, only for a couple of hundred at a time.

[MDawg]

There are players at the table who just jam the bet up for inexplicable reasons (one of the ones I've heard a lot is "the cut was smooooth.") And then there are others who jam it up there for valid mathematical reasons. I see both types every day. And I've seen the counters sometimes lose money and the Smooth Cut players sometimes empty the tray.

I haven't actually personally seen anyone thrown out in a long time. Other than "brittle bones" with his fabricated story. We all know why he made that story up - to try to back up his claim that he actually plays, just like with every other fable he's told. In a, as AccountInQuestion has put it: Neverending quest for street creds on the internet.

This thread is just another in the same long line of trying to look like he has something worthwhile to say, and knows something. But again, he's just all about theory, he doesn't actually play much if at all.

[kewlJ]

V, card counting is so obvious that it wouldn't be the first time that I had one or two of the other players openly complain to a pit boss about it. I had dealers tell me that "They don't through you out the back door, anymore." Or, that, "Nowadays, they do a volume business". Naive, and new, card counters are usually the last to find out just how obvious it is no matter what they do.

So Gottlob1 plays blackjack hun? Do you take up all six seats at the table with your 6 different personalities?

But he is right that they days of trying to "trick" anybody are long gone. To achieve longevity now is more about identifying and playing limits that are better tolerated. Limits that someone probably knows what you are doing but, it is just not worth the hassle and paperwork to take any action. But spreading $100 to $5000 is NOT limits that are tolerated anywhere for more than a few minutes.

And once you identify just what limits you can play that will be at least somewhat tolerated, while the days of "tricking" anybody are long gone, there are some things you can do to slow the process, like spreading both ways, and playing shorter session to thwart the evaluation process. But a 10 hour session, spreading $100 to $5000, and taking every purple chip in the tray, is just fantasy...pure fantasy.

[Gottlob1]

Yeah, and, it sure doesn't take long to get an eye-full of what goes on in casinos. One time, a guy threatened another at the table, to wait outside for him to leave, and, then, knife him. Another time, I saw a fat woman get dragged up an escalator, after her clothes got caught in it. It's one nutty thing after another.

[MisterV]

Yes Garnabby, Mickey seems to be "The Real Deal," and sorry MDawg but I still am of the opinion that KJ lives in sin city and plays regularly in the casinos as he claims.

Dawg, as the Wiz has vouched for your actual existence I do not question that you play in LV, but c'mon, man: they let you play and count cards for ten hours with a bet swing of 100 to 5000 with you only betting big when the count is favorable?

Amazing ...

[MDawg]

It's a double deck, V. Anyway, yes that's exactly the way it played out. And, with a mind like mine, I can't help BUT count. I can't turn it off. The same way UNKewlJ can't turn off his lying.

But beyond counting I also can tell you every card that has come out of the deck. That helps too, especially if a sequence comes up where no tens/faces/aces for a very long time, and I'm playing alone or on first base.

We just established that UNKewlJ made up his backrooming story. Why did he make up such a fable? I mean, beyond, trying to establish that he actually plays. Think about it.

[kewlJ]

Mdawg may play a lot of blackjack. And he may play the higher limits that he says. But he simply cannot win as he claims. And for a guy who does play and stay in Vegas as much as he claims, he really seems to have no clue about how things work.

Take the above story that he posted on 3 different forums today: 10 hours straight play. End Result $60,000 won.

Pit folks have to answer for the money won and lost at their tables. It is that simple. No pit guy is going to sit there and allow A player that says he is counting cards as Mdawg said when he wrote "betting more in higher counts" to sit there for 10 hours and win $60,000, all of it on video for supervisors to view and say "what the fuck were you doing?"

I don't know why Mdawg writes these kind of things. Is he writing a fiction book or screenplay? This is just not how the real world of Las Vegas works. believe me, I wish it was. I would be retired, sitting on my own millions living on a ranch somewhere.

[MDawg]

It happened exactly the way I posted.

Although, as usual, UNKewlJ's imprecise mind processed what was written incorrectly.

I didn't say what exactly I had won, ChumpChange implied the win, and I said that was about right.

I said that the spread I bet was $100 - $5000. I said that I jammed the bet up there (meaning, jammed it up well beyond the 100) when the count was high and other factors I mentioned were in line. I did not say that I jammed the bet to 5000 every time the count was high.

Keep in mind too that we're talking about a double deck, so massively high counts aren't going to come by every shuffle, or even close.

And so on, UNKewlJ's summary is based on a misreading. And his issues with what happened are all based on theory, not actual play.

[MDawg]

And in any case, I don't need to make up a different easily disputed lie every day the way UNKewlJ does to try to appear like I know what's up.

All UNKewlJ's done is proven the exact opposite of what he set out to prove - complete loss of credibility.

What you have to do, to begin to get your arms around this whopper, is try to enter the mind of a compulsive liar like UNKewlJ. In his twisted mind, his coming up with some new, different explanation in an ever changing story, makes sense and somehow adds credibility. To anyone with any sense, it just deepens and darkens the cloud over his credibility, and makes his story more of a confirmed whopper.

I don't think you'll ever give up your lying. It is too much ingrained in who you are. What I would suggest is you not do that shit around people who by and large are quite sharp.

Every day is a different lie.

[redietz]

Thank God I'm a sports handicapper, where your record as verified by outside parties is your reputation. And you actually have clients for decades who can verify what you've been doing. I mean, holy fuck.

I hate to quote blackhole, but you need hip high waders to trudge through all the bullshit here.

My mind is like Mdawg's. Only I spread from 1 to 10,000 when I play blackjack. Why not? LOL. And I usually play in the parking lot of South Point, because (1) I can't park my Newell in Caesars' or Cosmo without knocking the top off and (2) if I'm going to be backroomed (or backdoored), I'd rather it be in my place of residence.

You have guys in Hickory, NC claiming to be in Tahoe, then three weeks later saying they can prove they are NOW in Tahoe. LOL. You have guys who win 50 out of 52 sessions, getting comped all the livelong day, and they aren't mentioning that (1) their significant other blows 20k a day on slots or (2) they're really in town for the male escorts and blackjack is their cover.

You have guys who think APs somehow know how to leverage bonuses better than people with 30 sports accounts for 50 years. You have guys who claim that they can swing over to "other AP opportunities" to the tune of 100k a year since their blackjack days are numbered. You have guys who know their slots and travel the country but don't actually file as professional gamblers because...why? Because they are traveling male escorts? Kind of like travel nurses, only better paid. You have guys who have spent their adult lives as APs and a large part of it in LV, but don't know prostitution is illegal in LV. You have guys who claim to have played blackjack in LV for a decade, but know nothing about male escorts in LV.

Goddamn. Start up a new forum. At least try to be believable.

And, oh yeah, let's give another guy his due. You have a guy waxing eloquent about why don't handicappers data mine actual results? And the biggest selling football annual in the country has been publishing that stuff for more than 30 years. This guy never read it but considers himself savvy enough to weigh in with his expertise because he once wrote a program. LOL.

You know, honestly, this place wasn't great under Alan. But it is a Grade A bullshitting clusterfuck these days.

[kewlJ]

And so on, UNKewlJ's summary is based on a misreading. And his issues with what happened are all based on theory, not actual play.

Where have I misread or misquoted anything? I re-posted your entire post, word for word. The only thing not mentioned in the post was the total win of $60,000 which you confirmed two posts later.

Mdawg this isn't about me, or my play or even if I actually play or not. This is about what you posted. If you can't defend it fine. I think everyone sees that. But don't just deflect with your continuing 'punching down" made up attacks.

You posted this claim on 3 forums. I did you a favor by bringing it here for discussion, since I am unable to discuss at WoV. So discuss. tell me what I am missing? tell me what I "misread"?