Dancer Column at Las Vegas Advisor

[redietz]

Dancer evaluates his likelihood of continued success at video poker and concedes he may not win over the next decade, although he thinks he will.

Ever the modest one, he then goes on to explain that his mental acuity, which he says once placed him in the top 90% of poker players, is now only at 70%. I have no idea what's he's talking about here because he doesn't explicitly mention IQ, but I'd have to assume that's what he means.

Still modest, he then waxes eloquent about whether he should become a professional poker player.

But wait, Bob, why stop there? I hear brain surgery and fighter pilots are also in demand.

I am always amazed at how "professional gamblers" think they can cross disciplines with some reasonable chance of success. It's laughable.

[Alan Mendelson]

I have to agree with you redietz about your comment about crossing disciplines. The other night I was at The Bike playing poker and we got into a discussion about video poker. This time I wasn't doing the talking... another player at the table was commenting that "video poker is a simpler game." He then made the similar comments I made that you can't force a video poker machine to fold by betting big or by bluffing.

When I first started to play live poker (I had already been playing video poker for several years) I made the mistake of not realizing that your "winning hand" in live poker might not be the real winning hand at the table. For example, when one player makes a straight and another player makes a full house.

In video poker making a straight or making a full house still makes you win "the hand" but in live poker only the best hand wins the money.

And on a side note, I've read various articles that those of us who play video poker and live poker as we age do better in keeping our minds sharp. Both games are thinking games and mental exercises are needed as we get older.

[Rob.Singer]

The IQ thing isn't unusual. He's always had to brag about having "great intelligence" in order to help sales along. It's all part of the business. Hmmm....I wonder if he "tested" for it.

[Vegas Vic]

Bob also states he has had just one losing year (2009) since 1994 playing VP. Cue the upcoming post calling Dancer a liar.

[Rob.Singer]

Bob also states he has had just one losing year (2009) since 1994 playing VP. Cue the upcoming post calling Dancer a liar.

I'm not calling him a liar on that one. It's just one of many years he's lost. Besides, a winning year to an AP is a loser to anyone else because AP's easily and regularly concoct winning years by self-overvaluating all their precious slot club fluff.. But he has the same pattern as our friend arci whenever it comes to "announcing" a losing year (and it's funny how they ALL claim to have "just one" losing year): it's always conveniently tucked safely away far into the past. That way everyone can look at them as "winners anyway". In Dancer's case, it was a part of his overall scheme in order to sell his vp paraphernalia. Throw in a losing year after he came onto the scene, and make sure he never again says he lost while he's still making money working in the business. After all, who's gonna buy something from an "expert" who has a current losing year!? In arci's case, all he cares about is perception and making up how the math "always works out" because what others think about him is all he has left as he plays nurse. And he never identified that ONE LOSING YEAR either until he became a habitual forum poster. Now he builds his lies around it.

[arcimede$]

Poor wheels. Any reference to a successful APer always sets him off. He then projects all his own faults and shortcomings for everyone to see. All you need to do is insert wheels wherever Dancer or myself is mentioned and you know all about wheels failures.

As for myself, I've had many, many losing years. In fact, every year that I played prior to 1998 was a losing year. Of course, I did not become an APer until that year so it's pretty easy to see why I lost. I played poor pay tables and knew nothing about strategy. I also gambled very little and so I lost very little. Since then I have won every year but one (2003). That alone demonstrates the difference between knowledgeable play and playing poor games.

BTW, having one losing years is not that surprising. Most APers look for a 95% probability of winning. That works out to winning 19 out of every 20 years. So, seeing one loss in the number of years played right now by a typical APer is what one should expect to see. How about that, the math works out yet again.

[Rob.Singer]

Ha ha! You get so shook up when responding to the truth that you can't remember if you said what where! Recall claiming you lost TWO years on freevpfree? Then it was once, and now it's "many losing years" only not only did you find yourself caveating that you got caught in you own trap YET AGAIN! by expecting no one would notice how often you've nervously responded to my taunts over how you retired as soon as you met a video poker machine and instantly had a gambling problem! So you, as you made up here, retired at 55? Then explain how you had "many losing years" when you've always claimed not to have played vp until after retiring. Dontcha just LOVE how the math never lies!

[arcimede$]

Sorry wheels, only one known losing year. That's all. The only caveat is my wife and I did not separate our results for the first 3 years so all I can say for those years is we won. Therefore, it is possible I may have lost, but I'll never know and I don't really care.

Also, try to get something right ... I retired at age 52 in 1998. That's when I began playing VP seriously. I've been gambling since I was 26 years old. Of course, that consisted of an average of about one trip a year to Vegas or Reno and playing mostly regular slots, a little keno and a sampling of other casino games. I first played VP in 1992 and that was nickels. My entire gambling budget for a trip was no more than $200 and I never lost all of it. I was a real low roller.

[Alan Mendelson]

I just want to congratulate all the winners... for as many years as they've won... because I still admit I am yet to have a winning year. I keep trying and I'll let you know when I do finally have a net win for a year. And hopefully it will be soon.

But I would like to add that playing video poker will hopefully help keep all of us alert and aware as we age as we keep our minds working. Video poker and other card games are definitely "winners" when it comes to mind games as opposed to many other casino games.

[Rob.Singer]

Sorry wheels, only one known losing year. That's all. The only caveat is my wife and I did not separate our results for the first 3 years so all I can say for those years is we won. Therefore, it is possible I may have lost, but I'll never know and I don't really care.

Also, try to get something right ... I retired at age 52 in 1998. That's when I began playing VP seriously. I've been gambling since I was 26 years old. Of course, that consisted of an average of about one trip a year to Vegas or Reno and playing mostly regular slots, a little keno and a sampling of other casino games. I first played VP in 1992 and that was nickels. My entire gambling budget for a trip was no more than $200 and I never lost all of it. I was a real low roller.

Only someone who took another dart right between the eyes would need so many details laid out to "set the record straight" arci.

[redietz]

Guys, this thread was supposed to be about Mr. Dancer. I suggest we just put you two in an ongoing permanent "JR and Bobby Ewing" thread.

[arcimede$]

Only someone who took another dart right between the eyes would need so many details laid out to "set the record straight" arci.

Looks like wheels is running away again with his tail between his legs. All of wheels' assertions always turn out wrong. He hates it when the facts reveal the only one with gambling problems is wheels himself. He just can't accept that anyone can play VP without being addicted (because he can't). He has called everyone on this forum an addict many times. I don't feel the least bit sorry for him. He should quit playing VP completely and avoid discussions like those on the internet. Instead he can't keep himself away and justifies his actions by asserting everyone else is also addicted.

A truly weak and pathetic individual.

[Rob.Singer]

Yawn, my friend. I'll be smiling about all things video poker (& Bobby and JR too) as my wife and I go out for our daily walk shortly. BTW I finally checked out Chinook Winds last evening. They treated us to a great gourmet dinner like they promised, as all the local degenerates were pounding away on their crooked machines. It was like watching AP's on parade!

[arcimede$]

A truly weak and pathetic individual. Notice how psychologically he MUST classify anyone playing VP as "degenerates". Pure projection.

[Rob.Singer]

A truly weak and pathetic individual. Notice how psychologically he MUST classify anyone playing VP as "degenerates". Pure projection.

Yup, and you must have missed the in-your-face DAILY WALK that truly defines that which you can't find a way to respond to! I tingle. at the true bottom line in all this. Just blame that 2.2% and it should make you feel all the better.