cheating

[MisterV]

I'm an honest guy, a straight shooter, but that doesn't mean I always have pure thoughts ... about gambling.

At times I ask myself "If I wanted to, what would be the best way to cheat a casino?"

I am envisioning a move with potential for big profit and small risk of detection.

Could I pull it off alone, or would I need a partner, or perhaps be in cahoots with the dealer?

So "purely hypothetically," what might be the best cheat moves?

[Gottlob1]

Don't try it. The "eye in the sky" is always quicker than the hand. I've studied the twenty or so greatest such attempts, as came up on the forums. If I could remember one that was successful I would bring it up. In fact, the security equipment is mostly, if not entirely, to watch the dealers.

[soxfan]

It may not be cheatings, exact, but there are app for yer phone what can allow you to keep perfect count of them zany sides-bet what they offer at the baccarats, hey hey.

[Gottlob1]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that would be cheating, at least in the States.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/cas...-counting-app/

"What is definitely illegal, however, is the employment of any kind of electronic device that aids players in counting cards."

[accountinquestion]

I'm an honest guy, a straight shooter, but that doesn't mean I always have pure thoughts ... about gambling.

At times I ask myself "If I wanted to, what would be the best way to cheat a casino?"

I am envisioning a move with potential for big profit and small risk of detection.

Could I pull it off alone, or would I need a partner, or perhaps be in cahoots with the dealer?

So "purely hypothetically," what might be the best cheat moves?

By cheating you mean outright theft? SOmeone on here suggested having the keys to a machine to grab a cashbox and run. You pre-stuff it and cash out the Tito. Be by a large highway or a place to easily drive off in many directions. Remove the plates off you car. I mean ok the chance wouldn't exactly be "low".. but..

Ff you're just looking for what most people mean by "cheat" then good luck with that. Table game stuff is too closely watched.. slight of hand stuff. switching cards. I guess you could probe to find a place with really weak game protection ?

Anyway.. just my 2 cents. I'm interested in hearing people hypothesize.

[Gottlob1]

Players have found ways to put tiny cameras in shuffle machines, and, if I recall, something to do with cutting the cards for shoe games, by brushing past the cards. Here's an example of the first.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...games-1074145/

By the way, casinos have many ways to cheat you, even at baccarat.

[MisterV]

By cheating you mean outright theft?

I am referring to what we'd likely recognize as cheating a casino, e.g. past posting, "capping" a casino chip, marking cards and the like.

Stealing a cash box would be beyond what I'd call cheating albeit both are illegal.

[accountinquestion]

By cheating you mean outright theft?

I am referring to what we'd likely recognize as cheating a casino, e.g. past posting, "capping" a casino chip, marking cards and the like.

Stealing a cash box would be beyond what I'd call cheating albeit both are illegal.

Well I kinda figured it was out of your intent but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be posted as part of the convo. Yes, it is outright theft but I'm not sure outright cheating is any different in you really think about it.

Unfortunately the best things I've heard that were actually in play are not something I'd wish to share.

[accountinquestion]

Players have found ways to put tiny cameras in shuffle machines, and, if I recall, something to do with cutting the cards for shoe games, by brushing past the cards. Here's an example of the first.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...games-1074145/

By the way, casinos have many ways to cheat you, even at baccarat.

Actually this might explain the cheating shufflers that I suspect were a thing but can't discuss. A camera would work far better but then it has do image recognition or transmit video. hmm

[Gottlob1]

I think that if you go back far enough, there have been guys who made millions by visual ballistics, even shut a casino down. Naturally biased roulette wheels. Not exactly cheating. Now there are electronic devices for that, too, but try to find a casino that allows them.

[MaxPen]

Card marking technology today is off the chain. Casinos are not doing anything about it either. At most they prevent introduction of cards that are not their's into games. Some places are obviously going to have more protective measures than others.

[Gottlob1]

https://billzender.com/the-future-of...-games-part-1/

One thing Blazevic adamantly stated is that the Spectrum Vision SV-1 is used to confirm the presence of paints or daubs. It also can be used as a device to rule out that cards have been marked with paints or daubs. The Spectrum Vision does not detect marked cards while the cards are in play. This process is left up to the game protection personnel. To detect marked cards, table games and surveillance personnel need to know which games are most subject to marked card attacks and what indicators or “tells” they must watch for to determine whether to remove cards from the game for possible confirmation (or rejection) by the SV-1.

[Gottlob1]

Anyway, V, the game for a really big such score is baccarat, because of its low variance, and, the fact, that no casino on the face of the Earth would ever think that someone is legitimately beating it. Dare I say, that if whatever you're doing went undetected, and you started betting big, created such a history, you might hit for a hundred million, before coming to the end of it.

[accountinquestion]

Anyway, V, the game for a really big such score is baccarat, because of its low variance, and, the fact, that no casino on the face of the Earth would ever think that someone is legitimately beating it. Dare I say, that if whatever you're doing went undetected, and you started betting big, created such a history, you might hit for a hundred million, before coming to the end of it.

Wouldn't lower variance mean that they'd look at wins even more closely? Please explain?

[MisterV]

I think that if you go back far enough, there have been guys who made millions by visual ballistics...

LOL, what ever happened to Mark Howe and his roulette computer?

[Gottlob1]

Luck still happens, especially in traditionally high-betting games such as baccarat, where the limit often has to do with the first bet placed. Casinos are more comfortable with waiting for things to level off when the variance is low. Eg, I was told by a pit guy, at the MGM casino in Detroit, shortly after it opened, that the allowed win in one session at at a $25 blackjack table was $10,000. After that, you would be sent on your way.

[Gottlob1]

I think that if you go back far enough, there have been guys who made millions by visual ballistics...

LOL, what ever happened to Mark Howe and his roulette computer?

Those guys are still at it. (Some of them.)

[soxfan]

Luck still happens, especially in traditionally high-betting games such as baccarat, where the limit often has to do with the first bet placed. Casinos are more comfortable with waiting for things to level off when the variance is low. Eg, I was told by a pit guy, at the MGM casino in Detroit, that the allowed win in one session at at a $25 table was $10,000. After that, you would be sent on your way.

Come on, garnabby, ain't no joint gonna give a cat the gavel for winnings 10ks. They mostly likely gonna comp him so he'll stick around and give it back, hey hey.

[MDawg]

Cheating - no.

Getting paid on hands I lost, why not? Now, for a couple hundred dollars I'll actually just point out the error to the dealer and hand it back, but when it's happened for larger sums, I don't say a word.

[Gottlob1]

Luck still happens, especially in traditionally high-betting games such as baccarat, where the limit often has to do with the first bet placed. Casinos are more comfortable with waiting for things to level off when the variance is low. Eg, I was told by a pit guy, at the MGM casino in Detroit, that the allowed win in one session at at a $25 table was $10,000. After that, you would be sent on your way.

Come on, garnabby, ain't no joint gonna give a cat the gavel for winnings 10ks. They mostly likely gonna comp him so he'll stick around and give it back, hey hey.

It's just what I was told. I guess that he meant working from $25 bets.