Who knew that playing off abandoned next-hand multipliers was cheating. Thanks for straightening that out. Anyway, carry on with your 1% grind fests.Originally Posted by ZenKinG
Who knew that playing off abandoned next-hand multipliers was cheating. Thanks for straightening that out. Anyway, carry on with your 1% grind fests.Originally Posted by ZenKinG
OVERPAYERS was the main slot cheat back in the day. Can't explain right now. Got a busy day.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
I think u talked about this b4 on one of your interviews. U said that in the coin dropping days guys would walk down a slot aisle & throw a $20 in every machine, cash it out and then take the money to the cage, if they had extra money from an aisle they would then narrow it down to which machine was overpaying as sometimes the parts were worn & they would drop too many coins so guys would just keep feeding them & cashing out till the hoppers were empty.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
Interesting stuff if thats the story you were referring to & if I remembered it right.
I found a machine similar to that once way back in my degen days. It was an old IGT red white & blue and sporadically when you put $20s in, sometimes it would rack the credits up twice. Weird thing was it didn’t do it every time, It would do it every 3 to 10 times & only on $20s.
Yeah that is strange. Usually, the overpaid credits thing was due to a mix-up with the bill validator and machine denomination. The most common was a 4x multiple, where a dollar machine gave you credits as if it was a quarter machine. I don't know exactly why or how this happened. I always assumed it happened during the drop and somehow they accidentally mixed up the bill validators. Or perhaps when fixing a broken bill validator they didn't adjust the settings correctly.Originally Posted by DGenBen
That would be a nice advantage. Depending on the denomination and what they set the hand pays at. If it were a 3-coin $1 machine you could just sit and free roll hand pays, and sick rack-filling runs. Some places hitting solid blue and up where hand pays.
Fun fact> The Elcortez had so many problems with over payers at one time, they only filled the .25 machines with $50.
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Shut The Fuck Up You Redskin Chink Nigger!Originally Posted by ZenKinG
If I remember this correctly, you did an autobiography thread at videopoker dot com, and an overpayer-player came into the thread with some amazing stories. I knew such a thing was possible, but had no idea it could be a professional area of specialty. His forum handle was Lazyace, but he deleted all his posts apparently.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The thread was from 2009.
I actually heard a fairly wild story about a cheating incident that went on for quite some time. It is crazy what people get by with at a casino with the right level of incompetency.
We really need a private forum that isn't full of random lurkers and upper-tier weirdos...
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
So, it's cheatings if you use an app/device but it's kosher if you use yer brain or even the pen and score-card what they provide at the baccarats table, makes senses to me, hey hey.Originally Posted by Gottlob1
there are lots of things that don't make sense.Originally Posted by soxfan
Do you know, if a card counter is using chips to help him count, maybe using different stacks, or positioning them differently to keep track of some things in the more advanced counts, using chips is technically a device for cheating. Positioning a cigarette lighter at different positions to aid with the count is technically using a device to cheat. Bob N has mentioned this on one of the shows.
Technology is moving so fast right now, that we are in a period that it is hard to keep up. We are in an unusual spot right now as far as the device laws.
Biological Men Trans-Gendering into Women need to be stopped at the Poker Tables.
Clearly Cheating!
I can envision perhaps using some form of AI at a black jack table.
Have a small, hidden camera send the image to the AI and via ear bud let AI tell you the correct move.
I assume they let gamblers use earbuds, ostensibly to listen to music?
What, Me Worry?
I knew someone that worked with Lazyace. Would run into them here and there. As everything started moving to TITO, about the only machines left with coin out was the Bally Gamemakers. That was the machines that lazyace worked. They could be found all across I-80 in northern Nevada.Originally Posted by Don PerignomIf I remember this correctly, you did an autobiography thread at videopoker dot com, and an overpayer-player came into the thread with some amazing stories. I knew such a thing was possible, but had no idea it could be a professional area of specialty. His forum handle was Lazyace, but he deleted all his posts apparently.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The thread was from 2009.
Parts would wear out on machines and they would pay out more coins than they were supposed to. If you ever watched a slot tech fix a machine on the casino floor, the last thing he would do is create a 10 coin payout then catch the coins before they hit the hopper. If 11 or more coins came out it was an overpayer.
Another thing the techs and floor people did was time stamp a log inside the machine. If the machine took 3 fills in a 24 hour period they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it.
Some of the guys that worked overpayers would walk away once they drained the 3rd fill. Most places put $200 to $250 in quarters in the machines. But some were as low as $100.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Originally Posted by mickeycrimmI knew someone that worked with Lazyace. Would run into them here and there. As everything started moving to TITO, about the only machines left with coin out was the Bally Gamemakers. That was the machines that lazyace worked. They could be found all across I-80 in northern Nevada.Originally Posted by Don PerignomIf I remember this correctly, you did an autobiography thread at videopoker dot com, and an overpayer-player came into the thread with some amazing stories. I knew such a thing was possible, but had no idea it could be a professional area of specialty. His forum handle was Lazyace, but he deleted all his posts apparently.Originally Posted by mickeycrimm
The thread was from 2009.
Parts would wear out on machines and they would pay out more coins than they were supposed to. If you ever watched a slot tech fix a machine on the casino floor, the last thing he would do is create a 10 coin payout then catch the coins before they hit the hopper. If 11 or more coins came out it was an overpayer.
Another thing the techs and floor people did was time stamp a log inside the machine. If the machine took 3 fills in a 24 hour period they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it.
Some of the guys that worked overpayers would walk away once they drained the 3rd fill. Most places put $200 to $250 in quarters in the machines. But some were as low as $100.
the link is to mickey's autobiographical thread from the past which I was able to locate thanks to Don Perignom
what an amazing story
it's hard to believe - but I do believe it
many years ago I would never have believed someone could make a living from slot machines
to me they are so intimidating - I've never even put a quarter in one
it's a great story - some publisher or producer should somehow turn it into a book or movie -
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/vie...php?f=4&t=2120
please don't feed the trolls
Redietz is the one who is looking for the movie deal. Mickey has no interest.Originally Posted by Half SmokeOriginally Posted by mickeycrimmI knew someone that worked with Lazyace. Would run into them here and there. As everything started moving to TITO, about the only machines left with coin out was the Bally Gamemakers. That was the machines that lazyace worked. They could be found all across I-80 in northern Nevada.Originally Posted by Don Perignom
Parts would wear out on machines and they would pay out more coins than they were supposed to. If you ever watched a slot tech fix a machine on the casino floor, the last thing he would do is create a 10 coin payout then catch the coins before they hit the hopper. If 11 or more coins came out it was an overpayer.
Another thing the techs and floor people did was time stamp a log inside the machine. If the machine took 3 fills in a 24 hour period they would shut the machine down and have a tech look at it.
Some of the guys that worked overpayers would walk away once they drained the 3rd fill. Most places put $200 to $250 in quarters in the machines. But some were as low as $100.
the link is to mickey's autobiographical thread from the past which I was able to locate thanks to Don Perignom
what an amazing story
it's hard to believe - but I do believe it
many years ago I would never have believed someone could make a living from slot machines
to me they are so intimidating - I've never even put a quarter in one
it's a great story - some publisher or producer should somehow turn it into a book or movie -
https://www.videopoker.com/forum/vie...php?f=4&t=2120
I've had the same thought before in regards to a book. I don't read many books and memoirs aren't very high on that list to begin with but Mickey does have a life that is unique enough to justify a book.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
You guys! There won't be a book about even Shackleford. I don't doubt that Shackleford wrote a few, but, not likely about himself. Even if, it would be very niche. In Crimm's case, who would be noted as his contemporaries, and interactions? Singer, and Max? Deceased hobos X, Y, and Z? And, then, Crimm's been known, admit, to make at least a few things up. The reason that neither of the gambling forums as a whole went anywhere.
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there are not many places for a gambling forum to goOriginally Posted by Gottlob1
most of them - (not this one) - are populated by compulsive gamblers dreaming of an easy life - dropping into a casino for a couple of hours every other day and pocketing a few thou
its' membership is not a group of people that is likely to wow the world with fabulous accomplishments
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please don't feed the trolls
So what has Crimm been known to make up?Originally Posted by Gottlob1
Here is why I find the guy interesting. He was a hobo and did the whole riding the rails thing. He is totally self taught when it comes to gambling math. Then there is just all the history he knows about historic machine play. It is a fairly narrow audience for his book but for a few of us who have found these sorts of things interesting - he'd be a great fit. He isn't going to be on the top 10 amazon list or anything but he'd likely be well above a lot of the crap vanity fiction/memoirs people do actually write and self-publish.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
Win if you can, lose if you must, but ALWAYS cheat!
Oh, I don't know. Just my offhand recollections from his pages and pages of posts, a few years ago, around the time he was arguing with Singer. For some reason, Crimm wrote a lot about of own history, back then. I seem to recall that there were things sold to others that weren't to be desired, and, other cons, to get by with the crowd before the slots stuff. And, around the same time, his conversations with Alan, whom Crimm took for a fool to (try to) do with as he pleased. Before that, the stuff that Crimm wrote at the Wizard's forum. Something about fights with rocks in socks. A lot of down-and-dirty stuff. It didn't help his literary aspirations, either, to tell so many off along the way. Of course, it couldn't have mattered what he wrote about the likes of Singer. Probably, best to let Crimm comment further.Originally Posted by accountinquestion
People who want to stop drinking, etc, don't have to get into such a competitive, etc, "career" as gambling. I wonder that it wasn't a bit like taking up religion in jail, to switch from one poison, or whatever, to another, especially along with the motel/hotel lifestyle. Can't really make a mark for yourself without a clean break, something truly new and different.
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I bet that a lot of the stuff that people talk about on the forums is illegal, in some way.Originally Posted by soxfanSo, it's cheatings if you use an app/device but it's kosher if you use yer brain or even the pen and score-card what they provide at the baccarats table, makes senses to me, hey hey.Originally Posted by Gottlob1
Best to work with what's already in the casinos. On the one hand, to develop new and different strategies to play the games, themselves. On the other, ways to get around that. Various things come in various conditions. As a far-fetched example, if you had a dog's nose, and watched who held which cards, then you could train yourself to smell which cards were next out of the shoe.
Anyway, I had another idea while I was thinking about this thread, this time around. A bit beyond what mathematicians might have tried, for it to be thus limited. Nothing wrong with a tiny advantage if you can work it in a parallel sense, between the different card ranks, as go along.
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