WHy Do They Lie?

[kewlJ]

Lying on Gambling forums? Oh my....say it aint so.

VCT and Gambing forums are sort of linked in my mind. They are both filled with members that originated at WoV and either were banned or left on their own unable to stomach the way WoV was run. And both these forums are essentially troll forums. Many of the people on these forums, AP through recreational gambler, enjoy some trolling. Included in the tolling is some lying and being less than truthful.

Lets start with Singer and Mdawg. Nothing more need be said about their lying.

How about SeedValue and his claims that I am a prostitute?

How about both Mickey and Maxpen who have said very untrue things about each other, repeatedly.

MaxPen, since he has turned on me, has more or less embraced seedvalues lie as a possibility. He KNOWS that is not true.
MaxPen also is wrong about what stakes I play. I hope that is an honest mistake (mistaken identity) rather than an intentional lie, but he is wrong either way.

Coach belly lies and twists everything up intentionally.
I repeated something someone else said about coach belly. I don't know whether that was true, but suspect and hope it wasn't.

The late Kevin Keen (Moses) lied about me for years and then apologized on this deathbed.

EvenBob at WoV and GF, let's not even start.

Has Zenking lied or been untruthful about some of his experiences? Dont know for sure, but some of his experiences don't sound like anything I have ever experienced.

The late Alan Mendelson....saw 18 y.o.'s in a row or so he says.

Monet....well he is just a porkchop. He embraces cheating and lying, so I am sure he has been less than truthful.

Former member here and now member at GF, Blackhole lies about just about every advantage player.

Redeitz? You guys are claiming he has lied for years. I don't know but suspect he at minimum hasn't been truthful about everything, including omission of contests he doesn't do well in.

Tasha...well???

So I lied about the lawsuit part of my backroom incident. I eventually admitted that. I was trying to protect myself. Does that mean everything I have ever said is a lie?

I would hope that I have shared enough of what I do and have done and my knowledge that there isn't any question, at least among real players. But if Maxpen or anyone else wants to question any of it...fine. I think I have demonstrated enough knowledge that they should know the truth. And this isn't stuff read in books. It is knowledge from experience.

Tom Brady lied about the "inflate gate" cheating episode in the playoffs 10 years ago. Does that mean Tom Brady isn't real or knows what he is talking about as far as football? If I owned a team I would pay him to come in and talk to my players and share what he knows.

Look, I am proud of my blackjack career. I was 20 when I started and didn't know a damn thing about blackjack or gambling. I learned everything I know from other players sharing their knowledge and experiences as well as learning from my own experiences. My knowledge is a very narrow field of card counting and in particular what works in Las Vegas. I would say I am an expert in this very narrow area and field. If others that have long ago decided they don't like me, for reasons that have nothing to do with blackjack or gambling don't want to acknowledge that and have an agenda to discredit me...that is on them. Doesn't change anything I do or anything about me. While I am proud of what I have accomplished and where I am presently, I don't need anything from anyone. People can believe whatever they want. Seriously. Doesn't affect me. If I am not well liked on forums...so what? doesn't effect me.

So I have engaged in some trolling on these forums, and returned some name-calling and attacks. So I lied in an attempt to protect myself and would do it again, if I find myself in the same situation.

Get the fuck over it!

[accountinquestion]

The fact that you got so many over on these forum people puts you miles beyond Singer. Singer tried and tried flopping n flailing all about but in the end it was always chuckles. The whole forum was into disproving his lies. It was quite amusing really. Every attempt Singer put out there to be a legitimate gambler ended up being another amusing episode. He tried though. You fucking KILLED IT !!!!!

You got these whoppers pinned in other forums. Lol. The whole story was "My partners and I took $50 freeplay - won $100k+ and had an argument on the shares". Then you had a little jelly for them rolls about how you gave away 100k to your husband's kids. No mention of which game just an army of slot attendants! No mention of how they actually paid you out or the process. Nothing of interest yet those guys forum pinned it. I can just imagine the pride you felt that day, Kewl. I am impressed.

Maybe it is just my ego but I feel like I started this with my insistence you tell Dan Druff the case number so he could verify. Me getting on you about the improbability of breaking an arm. Why am I like that? Why didn't I let it slide? Much like you - I seek out truth. What is our point on these forums is not to keep the truth behind it truthful? The math behind it full of real math!?!

but then there is the flipside - What is a little lying amongst friends here and there? there and here? here and there. there and here.

Seriously though Kewl you're ok by me. Stick around. Next time you want to write some fiction hit me up. At this point in life my experiences are quite broad and my bullshit meter is pretty well attuned. I could be a tremendous help but it is going to be hard going forward. Everyone is going to be a doubter.

Perhaps we could get everyone to agree and we could just rewind and rewrite these story and let them be judged fresh.

That 100k jackpot is 10k.
You couldn't get the shuffler to demonstrate anything and became frustrated and sold it.
Your husband had the heart condition - not you.
You didn't break your arm but they wouldn't let you leave! No ambulance.
You were able to count 3 decks at the kitchen table but completely failed going to 3 tables in real world conditions (but could do 2).
Tell Singer you believe he had a Newell so he'll leave you alone.
You waxed your surfboard - you didn't oil it. (Although I wouldn't have known anything about that)

[kewlJ]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? AinQ just rattled off 5 or 6 things that are complete bullshit, that he just pulled from thin air. Blackhole did something very similar at GF a bit ago. And you have the nerve to call me a liar.

My partner didn't die if a heart attack or heart disease. He had no heart disease, well at least that I am aware of. He was 260-280 lbs, so he probably did, but was never diagnosed with anything. That was actually a running 'joke' between us, that he was 260+ lbs and had no known heart disease or issues and I was thin, never more than 10 lbs above my high school baseball weight and I had a bad heart valve.

And I did break my arm. What the fuck are you a doctor now AinQ and one that can diagnose without even seeing the patient?

I guess this is the "Trump" world we now live in. Just make up whatever the fuck you want.

[accountinquestion]

What the fuck is wrong with you people? AinQ just rattled off 5 or 6 things that are complete bullshit, that he just pulled from thin air. Blackhole did something very similar at GF a bit ago. And you have the nerve to call me a liar.

My partner didn't die if a heart attack or heart disease. He had no heart disease, well at least that I am aware of. He was 260-280 lbs, so he probably did, but was never diagnosed with anything. That was actually a running 'joke' between us, that he was 260+ lbs and had no known heart disease or issues and I was thin, never more than 10 lbs above my high school baseball weight and I had a bad heart valve.

And I did break my arm. What the fuck are you a doctor now AinQ and one that can diagnose without even seeing the patient?

I guess this is the "Trump" world we now live in. Just make up whatever the fuck you want.

I told you I'm not a doctor. We've been over this. It is just exceptionally improbable that you broke your arm as you were slammed into a chair.

The heart thing ok.. who knows. The person who put forth that theory was fairly convincing. You brought it up then just never talk about it even though that sort of thing is very life changing.

Anyway Kewl you keep being you. Fighting for truth just like me.

"you have the nerve to call me a liar" LOL. Good stuff !

[kewlJ]

The heart thing ok.. who knows. The person who put forth that theory was fairly convincing. You brought it up then just never talk about it even though that sort of thing is very life changing.

"The person who put forth the theory is very convincing" That person is Blackhole. One of only a couple people ever banned from this forum, and I believe the only one banned for trolling. THIS is your source? Good call, buddy.

Look who you are aligning yourself with AinQ? Blackhole and Mdawg for God sakes. Mdawg had 6 posts in succession removed yesterday at GF for trolling. He is a full blown troll that can't control his obsession and trollling. AinQ, you too, have now gone full blown troll.

[kewlJ]

I know there are only a handful of real blackjack players or former blackjack players (that have moved on to bigger and better things), so let me explain something that it seems most of you haven't figured out. Getting backed off, or worse yet trespassed, is not something to be proud of. These things don't happen out of the blue. There are always warning signs. If you are backed off or trespassed, then you have missed the warning signs. That is a failure.

In this case, I saw nothing until I was tapped on the shoulder. Epic, epic failure on my part. To the point that as a card counter, I am embarrassed. This isn't something anyone would make up. I simply shared an experience just as I always have, in this case a very bad, negative experience that was a pretty big failure on my part.

Seriously, you people are on a witch hunt now.

[Ray Finkle]

I know there are only a handful of real blackjack players or former blackjack players (that have moved on to bigger and better things), so let me explain something that it seems most of you haven't figured out. Getting backed off, or worse yet trespassed, is not something to be proud of. These things don't happen out of the blue. There are always warning signs. If you are backed off or trespassed, then you have missed the warning signs. That is a failure.

In this case, I saw nothing until I was tapped on the shoulder. Epic, epic failure on my part. To the point that as a card counter, I am embarrassed. This isn't something anyone would make up. I simply shared an experience just as I always have, in this case a very bad, negative experience that was a pretty big failure on my part.

Seriously, you people are on a witch hunt now.

Never happened.

In 2023, not a "card counter" alive would walk into that backroom.

Why are we to believe you did?

[kewlJ]

In 2023, not a "card counter" alive would walk into that backroom.

Very Bad advice Ray Finkle. A card counter has done nothing wrong or illegal. The casino has no legal right to detain you. But if you resist, you are giving them a reason. They can say you resisted and created a disturbance. I think even Bob N has advised this numerous times of different shows.

Do not turn the casino being in the wrong, to giving them a legitimate reason. Keep it that they are in the wrong and you can hire an attorney and sort it out afterwards.

[MisterV]

Bob on being back roomed (in 2011):

"Nersesian: First inform them firmly, but not physically, that you have no desire to accompany them anywhere.
RWM: Should you attempt to walk to the door?
Nersesian: Your call. I’ve had it both ways. Firmly state, “If you want to throw me out, tell me I’m 86’ed or trespass me. Do it now and do it quickly, because I intend to walk out that door.” If they say, “You’re not going,” or “You have to come with us,” don’t fight them, because they may beat the living daylights out of you. Do I want to see that kind of lawsuit? Not really. You get hurt on those. If they have determined that they are taking you to the back room, they will probably do whatever it takes to restrain you. Your firm statement that you desire to leave and they should not take you back there is all that is needed.
RWM: Unfortunately, the surveillance tapes don’t have audio.
Nersesian: No they don’t. Once you get in the security office, say it again. That room is recorded with audio."

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source: https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/gamb...e-for-players/

[MDawg]

The late Kevin Keen (Moses) lied about me for years and then apologized on this deathbed.

Let's address this first.

The minute Moses died, UNKewLyingJ was all over both forums but especially this one, going on and on about how yes Moses had showed up at his condo in 2019. So much for UNKewLyingJ's hypocrisy about leaving the dead to RIP.

Moses never retracted his statement that he had never showed up at any condo at which UNKewLyingJ lived. Moses stated repeatedly that he had never even been to Vegas as of the year UNKewLyingJ claimed he had visited him. All Moses did towards the end of his life was express remorse in general over having duked it out with UNKewLyingJ at the forums: Kj is not my right to just your life. I'm a very sorry. I hope you will forgive me. I didn't mean those nasty I said to you. I hope you will forgive me and maybe keep me in your prayers. That would be great. I don't want to fight anymore.. These sort of classy last words are more than UNKewLyingJ ever managed about either AlanMendelson or Moses, before or after they died.

UNKewLyingJ made up the nonsense about Moses showing up at a condo in 2019, and then rolled it into two further lies when, over two years later in 2021, he claimed that someone had researched the records at the Panorama Towers / The Martin on Dean Martin Dr. in Vegas and found a record of a condo owned by two brothers, and then used that info to doxx him in 2021 (no one ever saw this doxxing post). The second lie came more recently when he claimed that he had changed the title on this condo right after Moses supposedly showed up at this condo, to an LLC or Trust, which would mean that no one could have researched any condo “under the name of two brothers” because UNKewLyingJ claimed that over two years prior he had changed the title to an LLC or Trust.
All three of these statements conflicted with each other, which is typical for UNKewLyingJ's not well thought out lies.

[MDawg]

I was trying to protect myself.
So I lied in an attempt to protect myself and would do it again

Now this. Twice recently, first with regards to the made up backrooming lawsuit, and again with regards to the claimed six year old 100K jackpot, UNKewLyingJ has brought up “to protect myself” as reasons for his lies.

Still, we have not even a shadow of an explanation as to why lying day in day out for three months over a lawsuit and then retracting the lies could possibly further any end other than repeated desperate attempts to back up the original story. How was lying and then retracting protecting anything, or anyone? How was lying in the first place, claiming that a lawsuit existed where there was none, protecting himself anyway? The reason he hasn't even tried to elaborate on this is because there is no plausible explanation for his lying, other than that he was trying to make people believe his nonsense.

Just another not well thought out lie (“I was trying to protect myself”) that contradicts the truth.

Along the same lines, the lies about how "APs know this happened to me and have contacted me about it" and "the press got wind of it and contacted me," were also presented only to try to back up the fable and for no other reason. Such statements, as well, certainly could not fit into "trying to protect myself."

No, once he brought up the tale, there was only one UNKewl agenda: trying to get people to buy it. That it didn't work out was a function of that he didn't think it through well enough which resulted in what DanDruff' described as so many changing and bizarre versions of the same story.

[MaxPen]

I think it has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt that KewlJ is a fraud...RIP

[MDawg]

RIP and Amen.

[accountinquestion]

Kewl it is not too late to repent.

Do not let the dark side consume you.

Follow me to the light.

[kewlJ]

Fuck you Mdawg. You don't know shit and you are just making up shit. You are on a never-ending quest to try to discredit me, somehow thinking it makes your story and claims more credible. Newflash: IT DOESN'T. If you somehow were to prove that I am a little old Chinese woman living in Detroit, your claims would still be complete bullshit.

Kevin Keen who posted as Moses and tater, was banned from this forum, for repeatedly threatening to find me to physically settle scores and at the very end threatening to find me, take a picture and circulate it to the casinos. Dan Druff stated that a number of people had contacted Dan, with serious concerns. My history with "moses" go back far before this forum. He also had a history of taking his forum "fights" off forum. When he was banned at Norm Wattenbergers BJtheForum, he called Norm at his home a number of times to argue with him. If you don't believe me, ask Norm.

Several months after Moses threatened to come to Las Vegas and find me, he did just that. I don't know how he found where I lived. Checking real estate records after MaxPen made mention of it, is one possibility. Moses also asked members here if they had any information on me, as did "SidtheSquid" at WoV, who may well have been a moses sock puppet. Maybe he found out that way, although I would doubt it.

I don't care how he found where I live. He threatened to and then several months later, he did it.

Now Moses is gone and he did apologize for things said and done. Like I said it dated back almost a decade over 5 or 6 forums. I accept that. Doesn't change the fact that it happened but I do accept it. May he rest in peace.

Mdawg, you are a lot like Moses, in that you take forum bullshit off the forums. You haven't shown up at my home yet, and I advise you not too, but the doxxing shit you pulled is just as bad. You don't seem to understand the line where forum shit stays on the forum.

[MDawg]

Actually a fourth lie with reference to this Moses matter. UNKewLyingJ has been telling anyone who would listen for years now that he has a police report that identifies Moses as the person who came to the condo. Well, now everyone knows Moses' real name, and he's dead, so what possible reason would for there be for UNKewLyingJ's not finally posting at least one piece of actual evidence to back up his lies? He could redact it to remove the police report #, the address of the condo, and UNKewLying J's name....

Other than the one insurmountable reason...that the evidence, as always, does not exist.

[coach belly]

He pulled one of the most dishonest stunts I had seen at the time, when he posted an intentionally blurry picture

That's another lie.

I recommend you read a few pages. It is interesting reading.Yes I took offense at Alan's less than honest behavior. But if you read the next several pages, I didn't call him any names.

And that's another lie...here's a summary of the thread...

Jumping to the next table is a big part of my game, because I usually try to track a second table, as I am playing one.

I'd like to see how card counting is done from another table. At Caesars Palace the only way is by turning around in your seat because the tables are side by side, and players are facing towards the middle of each table. To see the action at the next table you'd have to swivel at least 90-degrees in your seat.

"Turn your chair to see another table"?? Seriously? I gotta say about half the stuff you post, Alan, I find myself saying "what?" or "hun?" or "what is he talking about?"

I never said anything about turning your chair. I asked about turning in your seat.

The table to my right is NOT 90 degrees to my right. The table lies at about 1:30 to 2'oclock on the vision 'clock', with the actual playing surface of the table more like 1:30. You DO NOT have to turn your body or your head or stand up and rotate to see that area.

Interesting kewlj. I haven't been in a casino where the tables are set up like that.

I'm sure this isn't an AP secret so how about naming the casinos where you can peek at the next BJ table so you can count cards at two tables simultaneously?

How about EVERY casino on the west side of the strip from TI down to Mandy Bay.

I can drive to any one casino RIGHT NOW.

Please name a casino with this set up. I'm going to take a seat and with my cell phone I will take a photo showing my view.

I'm a reporter and this is what reporters do.

What casino do I go to?

You want to drive to a casino, sit at a blackjack table and take a still photo looking straight ahead, as if you are some sort of 1950's robot. What, in your mind, do you think that is going to prove or disprove?

What it proves to me is that you are not understanding what is being described. What I haven't figured out is whether you truly aren't comprehending or whether it is some sort of unwillingness to understand. I get the feeling it is the latter.

Many times when a discussion reaches this point of failure to communicate or failure to comprehend what is being communicated, one party will ask the other if English is your first language, thinking maybe there is a language barrier. Since I know you understand English, I will refrain from that, but instead I will ask "Is this your home planet?".....because you seem like you are from another world to me.

I went to the Mirage at 3am. The blackjack pit was empty. I sat at a table in seat #2. I turned to the table on my right and took a photo from eye level. Obviously there were no players to get in the way. Now, tell me, can you see what the cards would be?

What an absolutely ridiculous exercise that was Alan. Completely manipulative and dishonest.

I don't know how much I will continue to participate here, or if I will at all. But I do know that you have now revealed yourself as a fundamentally dishonest individual. Someone I have little interest in interacting with.

kewlj you told me to go to any casino on the west side of the strip from TI to Mandalay Bay, so I chose the Mirage...I showed in the photos exactly what you didn't want me to see and confirm: the tables are too far apart so you can't read the cards on other tables. And it would be impossible if there were actually players at the other tables. Also -- and everyone else will see this too when they do what I did -- you're going to have to twist your head like Linda Blair in the Exorcist in order to look over at another table.

Alan, you have proved nothing...except that you are a nut...completely detached from reality. There is no benefit for AP's to participate here. I guess for the amusement. But watching a handful of complete nut jobs, is only funny to me for about 10 minutes. So I am out.

[MDawg]

He also had a history of taking his forum "fights" off forum. If you don't believe me, ask Norm.

Norm has a few things to say about UNKewLyingJ, actually:

He has caused more damage to the AP community than any other person.

[MDawg]

He also had a history of taking his forum "fights" off forum. If you don't believe me, ask Norm.

He has caused more damage to the AP community than any other person.

"He's been doing this for years hundreds of times on sites where the victims of his hate are not allowed or don't even know about."

"He even slandered another admin on the Las Vegas paper editor's page and sent crap to a house where he thought he lived."

"He posted vast numbers of false accusations of federal crimes on ZZ (an extremist antiSemitic site) claiming that we could answer."

"I didn't threaten multiple people with attacks for 50 years after their death."

"The man talks about the death of two forum admins who have banned him. Who does that?"

[kewlJ]

https://vegascasinotalk.com/forum/sh...-Rebate/page18

Above is the link to the blurry Photo Alan took, to make his argument. Anyone looking at this photo, can come to no other conclusion that he was playing games. Taking THIS photo and claiming it is representative of what a person would see is dishonest.