I already told you there is no return for the "game of craps" just like there is no return of the "game of video poker". They are essentially platforms or generic names for a set of different games. Yes, as I already told you, the play of the various games is different. However, the fundamental mathematical principles that apply to one also apply to the other. You have to get down to when you actually perform a bet. That is when you have a specific situation to evaluate. And guess what, you can determine the return in both cases.