You can probably read that as, "Do as little as possible while making enough to get by." That wouldn't be an unfair characterization.
You can probably read that as, "Do as little as possible while making enough to get by." That wouldn't be an unfair characterization.
You need more starting bankroll than I would have, as well. You could get shut down on your first set of cards at your first place. If you want to do a midscale operation, I'd think you'd need a bankroll of about 50k-100k to even contemplate starting a midscale operation relatively safely. You'd also have to spread out to different markets with that. You'd also have to be extremely conservative in how you're running the initial coin-in and would also need to know some target numbers, in advance. 50k-100k is not enough to go around having to test tiers without knowing already. Maybe 100k is.
Ha. You're a bit like me with the Firstly, secondly, ... . One time, I went up to twenty-thirdly. I treat money like computers - they're only tools. No need to have, or learn, any more than you have to, to get the job done. In fact, what's more important is the distribution of wealth in the community. Once the richer folk suck it out, there's no putting it back, even if they wanted to. I mean, twenty years down the road, the damage is done. Because, as soon as elected, the guy forgets about everything except getting re-elected. Instant psychopaths insofar as no one can truly feel for the next guy, let alone the masses that elected him, or her.
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Thanks for posting Mickey, I did find a few things of value in the multi-carding one.
The MC streets are littered with the bodies of APs who started with only 50k. Especially in areas like AC where the casinos are known to kill cards quickly. For every one Darkoz who seems to have started with a Big Mac coupon there are a 100s who failed. It’s not as easy as the naysayers believe. Contrary to the the beliefs of most APs casino surveillance experts do their job very well. The lack of respect to the professionals on the other side is a pet peeve of mine. I preach this to my guys daily. It’s my main problem with Darkoz as he flaunts his expertise openly. This serves to only motivate the opposition to create better systems. We all get pinched by surveillance eventually. If you do something at scale it’s bound to happen. We have to be perfect they only need to get lucky one time really. And believe me they can get very lucky because there’s always random shit that happens in casinos.
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Follow-out robberies:
https://www.willyallison.com/podcast
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
Good stuff, Mickey. Keep them coming.
I guess that would get me out the front door. I had one within the last two years with a max bet $50 worth a little over 1%. It was In the middle of bum fuck USA. Never went back. I’ve found similar machines not as much as 5 but more then 1 percent but with a max bet of $10. I’m running my current thing until the wheels fall off or until the Asian horde gets wind of it.
The Secrets of Productive Surveillance Departments:
https://www.willyallison.com/podcast
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
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"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
How Hackers Rigged a Shuffle Machine:
https://fast.wistia.com/embed/channe...lid=ebwvqius7d
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
These podcast guys have run out of legitimate things to talk about. These are the same hackers Kewl posted about. If you dig into it they didn't really hack anything. They TRIED but they didn't. Of course that doesn't mean it can't be done but nothing has shown that it can be done via software only.
1 hour podcast on that subject makes me question the value of their podcast. These are the same guys that talked for 10 minutes how about patrons and slot techs want people paid in cash. It never even dawned on them that management wants cash and not checks for jackpots... Given that management wants it then unlikely they'd ever promote not paying out in cash. (TITO being cash) Don't think it ever dawned on either of these 2 guys.
Actually Redietz said the article (video?) had been distributed to his book club people for discussion. lol.
Here is all you need to know ->
If a machine can read the cards then via software modification the shuffler would be able to cheat. In general this would not be very effective unless you could communicate with the shuffler during its use. I believe they had a USB port on them .. don't recall. However literally nothing was uncovered but people have to write/talk about something.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
LOL! You made this post 11 minutes after I posted a 1 hour video. You didn't listen but you know what they had to say? What, are you clairvoyant? It wasn't what Allison and Hoke had to say. They interviewed a professional hacker.
If you don't like the World Protection podcasts then try something unique and don't listen to them. Oh, wait! You're aren't listening to them. But it doesn't stop you from spouting ignorant blather about them.
And please, quit acting like you are some kind of hacking expert. You're embarrassing yourself.
"More importantly, mickey thought 8-4 was two games over .500. Argued about it. C'mon, man. Nothing can top that for math expertise. If GWAE ever has you on again, you can be sure I'll be calling in with that gem.'Nuff said." REDIETZ
AinQ has been embarrassing himself on this topic for several years now. Anybody that doesn't think hacking and manipulating of these machines is possible is just clueless or in denial.
Once the technology was there and installed for these machines to read the cards, which has been in place for a decade now, the door opened to endless possibilities.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
FraudJ is such a clueless loser. As much jokes I say about him I don't recall ever misrepresenting what he says. FraudJ, I never said manipulating wasn't possible. You claimed there was a built-in mode which WAS NOT A HACK. That is a totally different thing.
I also never said I didn't listen to their podcasts. That shuffler thing isn't a story. Literally all there is to know is my synopsis. Go ahead and be pissed. IDGAF. No one as usual wants to argue actual points/details. I will listen to it but not anything high priority.. they are presenting it like there is something there. Ok. I don't disagree there isn't stuff there but it doesn't come from what they're referencing.
FraudJ Go lower your cellphone back through the manhole and duck your head down where you belong. Back to the tunnels with you.
Mickey - There is a summary of the episode in text. They talk of the specific source material. I don't even believe the talk was recorded but you can find a couple of people having written about it. It might have been recorded but I had to pay for it? Anyway hackers/researchers gave a presentation where they gave their findings but didn't actually achieve anything noteworthy. They interfaced with the usb cable and got some prompts. If I am wrong - school me. Please. Seriously.
It sounds cool to write about so a couple of news outlets covered it. Not sure why you're all laughing like I'm a retard. idiot. Nothing has changed and nothing new. If there is something new then
This is directly contrary to what Kewl claims. These researchers had this thing and sat around for weeks if not months trying to crack it and had no luck. Kewl did it in 15 minutes. Or .. maybe.. just maybe Kewl didn't. lol
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It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
ALso Miiickey - I never said I was a hacker expert. I do have a minor in EE from the the best public uni in a rather large region. I could list all the stuff I did back in the day but the point is you don't need to be a "hacker expert" to interpret what the fucking researchers actually said.
It is like I do some basic reading and I get accused of being a know-it-all because Mickey's interests are likely very much more narrow than mine. Mine have just moved around over the years. As it is I'm actually actively working on a device that uses stepping motors to do measured things. It will have to be calibrated and such but runs off a microncontrooler and stepping motor driver. Shrug. believe me if you want or don't but I'm sure I'm far closer to a hacker than any other poster on here and it isn't close. IDGAF outside this post.
Redietz made fun of me for being a "polymath"... now Mickey doing same thing. Never actually telling me where I'm wrong. Ignorant bastards.
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
AinQ, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. Have you had your hands on one of these machines? NO, you haven't. Not just myself, but many have and know and aren't just throwing out bullshit like you are.
The technology is there!! It is all but built in. Note that terminology. It is very, VERY thinly veiled so when the shit hits the fan, that the manufacturer can claim it doesn't come that way but must be "hacked". That is a joke. The hack takes a few minutes for someone that knows what they are doing (and casinos all have such a person in their employ) and it doesn't involve a USB port or downloading anything.
And the even bigger crime is that Nevada Gaming has known all about this problem for a decade and done little about it. There is an argument to be made that gaming is overmatched with all the new technology. They don't have the resources, nor the expertise to deal with this and future tectological challenges. That is not really what they were set up for. So they have basically just stuck their head in the sand hoping this problem goes away or at least doesn't expand into a bigger problem. So far that has worked.
AinQ, all you do is sit there and call people names like the little bitch troll that you are.
Dan Druff: "there's no question that MDawg has been an obnoxious braggart, and has rubbed a ton of people the wrong way. There's something missing from his stories. Either they're fabricated, grossly exaggerated, or largely incomplete".
It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
Just to clarify for people reading.
Yes the shufflers have the ability to cheat. There are a few layers and degrees to which this would happen.
#1 There is some way to update the code on the thing via a firmware update. This is almost a given but maybe not. If this was hacked then game over. Someone inside the org could release the firmware updater tech. Then it would simply be a matter of reuploading a modified version of the code. Ultimately it is limited to not being able to communicate with anyone unless the USB port was then used as I/O after this update.
#2 There could be a hardware modification where the controller guts are completely replaced. This would be a one-off type deal. The irony of it all and I believe I've said this is that I have a strong reason to believe this does exist through personal experience. Contrary to what FraudJ yammers on about. This might allow the communication to work far better. A little bluetooth thingy could be inside it that would connect to some android device. Could be wifi. The rest of it really wouldn't be super hard. Way over my head but give me a year and all teh tools at my disposal I'm sure I could do this. I might need some help but.. Just hardware controllers to drive all the little motors. Communicating with sensors. Shuffle. spit out cards. What would be interesting is fucking up the deck and seeing if it behaves the same. If the thing has been gutted and recreated then it is unlikely to have all the little checks the real version does...
#3 Then there is what FraudJ claims. That is there are the equivalent of Nintendo cheat-codes which put the shuffler in cheat mode for table games. FraudJ basically claims this was done by the manufacturer as he bought a random shuffler.
#4 There might be some replaceable chip but it would require proprietary knowledge.
There are also poker shufflers vs casino shufflers. I'm throwing them together but there is a distinction. My experience involves the poker shuffler while Kewl's experience is with a table game shuffler.
There are also earlier generation shufflers which can't sort or read the cards. They may or may not count the cards but they can't read the cards. That is the key part for any of the above cheats to work. If the shuffler doesn't have the hardware to read the cards then it is all a deadend.
As far as what can and has happened ?
Either of the first 2 could be true. The hackers didn't do #2 but #2 is clearly possible. They're not reinventing satellites with alien tech. #1 is possible but it might actually require a chip being swapped out. That would be a #4 which is basically #1.
FraudJ's claim of #3 is rubbish. The manufacturer isn't ever going to do this and they're for sure not going to do it in a way that someone FraudJ hired of Craigslist can figure out in 15 minutes. But come'on guys, the Nevada Gaming Commission is in on it !!
Troll away but this pretty much sums it up. Yes, shufflers are an interest of mine.
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It is official. Redietz will never be on Dan Druff's podcast. "too much integrity"
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