World Game Protection

[kewlJ]

I didn't fucking hire someone off craigslist. I was referred to an expert in this field by another AP who had was also looking into this same situation.

That you lie and make and repeat shit like "craigslist" is just you being dishonest, which you ALWAYS are. You simply can't paint your bullshit while being honest about anything.

[accountinquestion]

I didn't fucking hire someone off craigslist. I was referred to an expert in this field by another AP who had was also looking into this same situation.

That you lie and make and repeat shit like "craigslist" is just you being dishonest, which you ALWAYS are. You simply can't paint your bullshit while being honest about anything.

Projection. Always some made up AP reference thrown in for good measure. I think this may be a new variation on the story but they all run together.

lol you probably didn't literally say craigslist but it was funny and not that far off. I can't remember what you specifically said outside of it taking him 15 minutes. "expert in this field".. and what field is that/!??

FraudJ, come'on now.

[MDawg]

That rigged shuffler story, besides not making any sense, reaffirmed in my mind that this guy really doesn't play much table games, because I'd expect such nonsense from a recreational player, not a card counter.

And as usual, as he gets hemmed in, he is changing the story on some of these. Even renounced the existence of his "soul mate" claims he lied about him and his gay marriage too!

[MDawg]

Always some made up AP reference thrown in for good measure. I think this may be a new variation on the story but they all run together.

Compulsive liar is a fair assessment of what he is. If people go back and look at your last few stories they will see a trend in you always changing the story after you get caught lying.

There is a clear trend that has developed now. All of KewlJ's implied associates are turning out to be other invented characters in his years of lies. ...RIP

[Ray Finkle]

I didn't fucking hire someone off craigslist. I was referred to an expert in this field by another AP who had was also looking into this same situation.

That you lie and make and repeat shit like "craigslist" is just you being dishonest, which you ALWAYS are. You simply can't paint your bullshit while being honest about anything.

Projection. Always some made up AP reference thrown in for good measure. I think this may be a new variation on the story but they all run together.

lol you probably didn't literally say craigslist but it was funny and not that far off. I can't remember what you specifically said outside of it taking him 15 minutes. "expert in this field".. and what field is that/!??

FraudJ, come'on now.

He said 3 mins on another site....

[MaxPen]

I didn't fucking hire someone off craigslist. I was referred to an expert in this field by another AP who had was also looking into this same situation.

That you lie and make and repeat shit like "craigslist" is just you being dishonest, which you ALWAYS are. You simply can't paint your bullshit while being honest about anything.

STFU fraud faggot...RIP

[accountinquestion]

So I listened to the podcast and there is nothing new that I did not already know and those guys did not actually make a shuffler into a cheating device. They just poked around the capabilities of it.

The talk of the security researcher was kind of interesting in a few ways. It is interesting how cutting the deck helps to some degree.

To me where it gets inter3sting would be how could you make a deck mate 2 cheat without communicating to the players??

The researchers are dismissive of cold decks and their arguments are barely solid but for instance you could make the deck mate take input by the ordering of the cards. This could trigger some mode but would require a card Mechanic. You could also have the shuffler do things then encode the scenario into a flop. Like you always call with pairs suited 0 gappers. Then the shuffler can give out specific flops that tell you game on.

The problem is knowing where the button is and number of players. Maybe dealer presses both shuffler buttons when button is on seat 1.
The shuffler could go through a random list.l of cold.decks and select one. They seem to think cold decks need to be aa vs kk .. I've seen cold decking (strongly.suspecter) a few.times in my.day and they are often like that but the cold decks could just as well be camouflaged.

This post It's not the best but it was done while my car drives me so eat it Finger and seat value

[kewlJ]

Ok, so I just watched this podcast. Initially I had no real interest because I knew they were hacking a shuffle machine for purposes of Poker, which I don't play as opposed to blackjack which I do play. So, it wasn't going to be the same thing. They were going to need to manipulate the machine to either direct winning hands to certain players or at least have certain players have knowledge of what was coming which would provide the advantage. That is very different that the manipulation needed for blackjack for purposes of increasing the casino advantage.

But the main takeaway should be that these machines can be compromised and manipulated. Once you understand that, there are all kinds of possibilities. And the people that argue this whenever such a discussion comes up are either associated with the casino industry or the manufacturer of the machines (less likely). The perfect example is the guy that posts at WoV, who admittedly works for a casino who almost immediately denies this is happening every time this discussion comes up.

Now here at Dan Druff's troll forum, we have AinQ that continues to fight me on this. You CANNOT watch this video and not KNOW that this kind of manipulation is possible. AinQ isn't THAT stupid, so his agenda is a little different. He just wants to fight and troll me.

So anyway, back to this video, because they are manipulating the machine to benefit a winning poker player, rather than the house, in the case of blackjack, it is a much more complicated dynamic.

With blackjack, all any casino, or someone working on their behalf, need do is manipulate the machine to clump some groups of cards. Particularly a low clump and high clump. And actually they really wouldn't need to clump the low cards, just a clump of high cards. If you clumped a group of high cards, the remaining deck could be a somewhat natural mix of low and neutral cards. So all that is really needed is a clump of high cards and fewer aces that "normal" within that high card clump.

Pretty simple really. The end result will be fewer blackjack. Fewer for the player as well as the dealer. BUT because the player is paid at 3:2, just a slight reduction would elevate the house advantage from .5% (standard 6 deck game) to 1.5-2%. THAT is a big deal.

And while there is an easy way to detect this, by just counting the frequencies of blackjack for both player and dealers combined, which should be roughly 1 in ever 20 hands (I think closer to 21 hands actually). But because that is such an infrequent number, you would have to track thousands of hands to come up with a number that statistically meant anything. But guaranteed if the machine was manipulated to clump high cards with fewer aces mixed in, the number of total blackjacks would be significantly less than the statistical norm of 1 in 21 hands.

BUT an experienced blackjack player doesn't have to track thousands and thousands of hands to know what is going on. An experienced player can fairly quickly spot when something just isn't right. Whether or not he wants to put in the time necessary to prove it is another story.

Now again, as I always do state, in my own experience this is not widespread. I have encountered 2 times I can comfortably say I KNOW this was happening and maybe 2 more times I suspected, but didn't pursue or try to prove it to myself, just removed that game and casino from future play.

But the bottom line is that this capability is there. Has been for a decade. Anybody arguing that it isn't, doesn't know what they are talking about. And anybody arguing that no one associated with the casino industry would ever do such a thing, doesn't know this industry, or has a reason (agenda) to make such a bullshit statement.

[MaxPen]

Ok, so I just watched this podcast. Initially I had no real interest because I knew they were hacking a shuffle machine for purposes of Poker, which I don't play as opposed to blackjack which I do play. So, it wasn't going to be the same thing. They were going to need to manipulate the machine to either direct winning hands to certain players or at least have certain players have knowledge of what was coming which would provide the advantage. That is very different that the manipulation needed for blackjack for purposes of increasing the casino advantage.

But the main takeaway should be that these machines can be compromised and manipulated. Once you understand that, there are all kinds of possibilities. And the people that argue this whenever such a discussion comes up are either associated with the casino industry or the manufacturer of the machines (less likely). The perfect example is the guy that posts at WoV, who admittedly works for a casino who almost immediately denies this is happening every time this discussion comes up.

Now here at Dan Druff's troll forum, we have AinQ that continues to fight me on this. You CANNOT watch this video and not KNOW that this kind of manipulation is possible. AinQ isn't THAT stupid, so his agenda is a little different. He just wants to fight and troll me.

So anyway, back to this video, because they are manipulating the machine to benefit a winning poker player, rather than the house, in the case of blackjack, it is a much more complicated dynamic.

With blackjack, all any casino, or someone working on their behalf, need do is manipulate the machine to clump some groups of cards. Particularly a low clump and high clump. And actually they really wouldn't need to clump the low cards, just a clump of high cards. If you clumped a group of high cards, the remaining deck could be a somewhat natural mix of low and neutral cards. So all that is really needed is a clump of high cards and fewer aces that "normal" within that high card clump.

Pretty simple really. The end result will be fewer blackjack. Fewer for the player as well as the dealer. BUT because the player is paid at 3:2, just a slight reduction would elevate the house advantage from .5% (standard 6 deck game) to 1.5-2%. THAT is a big deal.

And while there is an easy way to detect this, by just counting the frequencies of blackjack for both player and dealers combined, which should be roughly 1 in ever 20 hands (I think closer to 21 hands actually). But because that is such an infrequent number, you would have to track thousands of hands to come up with a number that statistically meant anything. But guaranteed if the machine was manipulated to clump high cards with fewer aces mixed in, the number of total blackjacks would be significantly less than the statistical norm of 1 in 21 hands.

BUT an experienced blackjack player doesn't have to track thousands and thousands of hands to know what is going on. An experienced player can fairly quickly spot when something just isn't right. Whether or not he wants to put in the time necessary to prove it is another story.

Now again, as I always do state, in my own experience this is not widespread. I have encountered 2 times I can comfortably say I KNOW this was happening and maybe 2 more times I suspected, but didn't pursue or try to prove it to myself, just removed that game and casino from future play.

But the bottom line is that this capability is there. Has been for a decade. Anybody arguing that it isn't, doesn't know what they are talking about. And anybody arguing that no one associated with the casino industry would ever do such a thing, doesn't know this industry, or has a reason (agenda) to make such a bullshit statement.

Thought I smelled something burning when I walked over that sewer grate outside the Linq...RIP

[accountinquestion]

I have said it many times that making a shuffler become rigged or whatever is very feasible. What fraudj claims is something totally different though. His claim is that the shufflers have cheat modes built-in directly from the manufacturer. But of course he does not want to have a discussion about what he actually said so he will perpetually misrepresent other's views.

[kewlJ]

His claim is that the shufflers have cheat modes built-in directly from the manufacturer.

Not exactly the terminology I would use, but yes, I do believe the machines have that "capability" when they leave the factory. It just requires a minor adjustment. And by minor adjustment we are not talking the software installed has to be ripped out and replaced. Just a minor adjustment by someone who knows what to do. This will allow the manufacturer to claim the machines had to be tampered with for this to occur. It is protection, if and when the shit does hit the fan. It will absolve them of liability.

And I believe this capability is "unofficially" conveyed to their one client, the casino industry that purchase or lease these products. I don't know how that works. I am not saying a rep from the company shows casino personnel how to make the machines behave in this manor. I am not going to speculate on that. But they make them aware the capability is there. And every casino has some tech guy capable of figuring it out.

[accountinquestion]

I can imagine walking down the strip over a grate late at night.

"Meeeester, pleeease help me get out"

Minor adjustment... you know the one that makes the shuffler behave completely.differently in a non random way whose purpose is only to defraud customers.


Everyone here knows those diabolical slot techs. Good stuff. I'm full of shit but every casino has a slot tech that can figure it out.

Keep being you fraudj.

It is the math..

[kewlJ]

It is the ability to read the cards that was the game changer. Once that happened, the possibilities become endless. And there really was no need for that. Prior to that, the machines could still detect if a card was missing, it just couldn't tell you what that card was. That is all they needed. That is a lot of extra technology that could be used for nefarious purposes, just to tell what card is missing.

When card readers were introduced is when Gaming should have stepped in. But like I said, they were in way over their head with all this different technology and have been very slow to catch up. Maybe by design.

[accountinquestion]

Fraudj claims to operate under the radar but the joints with these sshufflers have been known to turn it on just because he was playing. Right in front of him! Lol fraudj I hope one day you find a way out of the maze under the strip.

[kewlJ]

And YOU keep trolling AinQ. That is all you and several others do.

[accountinquestion]

You are the one misrepresenting my views. Actually misrepresenting isn't strong enough of a word. You literally flip my views around.

You should not still expect to be taken seriously.

[kewlJ]

Taken seriously? On this forum? You gotta be kidding me.

I have never cared about being taken seriously. I was never out to make a name for myself over this. How would that benefit me? There was no money in that for me. And that is specifically why immediately after the El Cortez incident, I would not be the face of any complaint to gambling that was being floated.

All I did, was prove what I saw happen to my at two different casinos to myself. So I would know and would know to be on the lookout for, so as to protect myself. Yes, I warned others also, but that didn't benefit me.

So no, I don't give a shit about being taken seriously on a forum populated by people like you taking about male prostitution and living in tunnels. We are way beyond that on this forum.

[kewlJ]

But we are just rehashing yet again.

There is one other thing I will say. Cheating, by this means or any other means by a casino doesn't have to come from the top. It doesn't mean the Casino Manager or some other hierarchy decides this. It could be a shift manager, or even a pit manger. These people are responsible for their tables or pits, holds and win. And they are subject to the very same variance that we as players are subject to. Some fairly low level manager could decide to make his numbers look better on his own. And actually, that is what I think occurred at the first place I encountered this issue. Don't know for sure, but that is what I think.

[jbjb]

Allison will make up any bullshit to sell his worthless services.

[Treeshade]

But we are just rehashing yet again.

There is one other thing I will say. Cheating, by this means or any other means by a casino doesn't have to come from the top. It doesn't mean the Casino Manager or some other hierarchy decides this. It could be a shift manager, or even a pit manger. These people are responsible for their tables or pits, holds and win. And they are subject to the very same variance that we as players are subject to. Some fairly low level manager could decide to make his numbers look better on his own. And actually, that is what I think occurred at the first place I encountered this issue. Don't know for sure, but that is what I think.

Yet we still have rat fuck casino informants who can’t wait to tell on you.