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  1. #21
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    Because it is not a "scam."

    Some accepted and common definitions of a scam: "a fraudulent business scheme," and, "the act of swindling by some fraudulent scheme."

    What is the scam you allege, Arc?
    What part of taking people's comps while teaching them to lose more money don't you understand? What part of claiming a mathematically proven system will not work while a mathematically disproven system will work don't you understand?

    He's been informed his claims are false and yet he continues to repeat them. Hence he knows he is lying to people. You've been informed of the same facts and yet you continue to provide a means for him to reach more people with this scam.

  2. #22
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    What part of taking people's comps while teaching them to lose more money don't you understand? What part of claiming a mathematically proven system will not work while a mathematically disproven system will work don't you understand?

    He's been informed his claims are false and yet he continues to repeat them. Hence he knows he is lying to people. You've been informed of the same facts and yet you continue to provide a means for him to reach more people with this scam.
    In order to have a scam you have to show deceit or a swindle with criminal intent. If there was an agreement (and I am not sure that anything you claim, Arc, is true) and a "student" agreed to learn his methods for whatever compensation he requested, there is no scam. In fact, I think what you allege is that it was a contract for a student to learn about Rob's system and the compensation was the transfer of comp points. If true, why would that be a scam? What if the "student" did not want to use his card, so the teacher inserted his -- is that a scam or a violation of the "players club" rules? (I paid cash to go to a seminar about dice control, but I was not scammed because I went willingly and dice control does not exist. I paid cash for books and DVDs to teach me how to play video poker, but I did not win, and I was not scammed. I attended seminars about video poker that included in the title "for winners" but I did not win... was I scammed? I read columns by other authors who use in the titles that they provide info for winners, and I don't win, is that also a scam?)

    Rob Singer's entire strategy may be incorrect but that does not constitute a scam.

    You also continue to criticize me for telling his story. Well Arc the First Amendment says I can tell his story. He has an interesting story and it should be told. It is a controversial story and even if you don't believe it you should have a full understanding of what it is so that you can make a proper decision about it. He doesn't force you to buy his books and I don't force anyone to read my reports or to watch my videos.

    Do you Arc know what the word libel is?

  3. #23
    It would certainly make for an interesting court case. The addage, "The truth is its own defense" may apply here. I mean, just saying, there must be a reason "Rob Singer" doesn't sue Arci, wouldn't you say? It's not like they ooze with mutual respect.

    Someone pointed out to me recently that one of the advantages of calling oneself "Dancer" or "Singer" on the net, or in books, or videos, is that these folks have created fictional characters. And fictional characters can say whatever they want about any origin story they choose. It's not like Mr. Granoff or Argentino is contractually obligated to tell the truth when in their alternative persona. They can make s*** up whenever it's convenient and not be held legally responsible for it. Reminds me of a certain president's memoirs, but I digress....

  4. #24
    Actually, redietz, the "libel" may involve me. Arc wrote: You've been informed of the same facts and yet you continue to provide a means for him to reach more people with this scam.

    He is alleging that I am aware that Rob Singer is scamming people and that I am providing "a means for him to reach more people with this scam."

    Now, if "Arcimede$" were writing that using his real name, I can assure you that he would be getting a letter from my attorney. My other option is to block him from using this website. And if he continues to accuse me of being part of a scam, and unless he can prove that Rob Singer has operated a criminal enterprise, I will block him.

    Notice is given.

  5. #25
    Alan, it's not a big deal when arci makes up his lies about me or you or even himself, and suing the poor guy would just add to his tale of woe at this point--plus at his age his heart may not be able to take the stress. Just think about what he's put himself thru, think how he must really feel inside every time he has to help his wife get up, then think what it would be like with no real future to look forward to. Why WOULDN'T he be trying to create make-believe scenarios where others might share in his misery?

    Here's how I know he lies so often and why everything about his vp play is pretend: he has maybe a 50% knowledge of how I was successful yet because that bothers him no end, he claims it can't be done because "the math" says so. What "tested genius" would ever say that without half the facts? Then, I've never used anyone's card in a training or any other kind of session. All he does when he,says that is prove he lies about everything he writes on the Internet. So how do I know he's lying about those 12 of 13 years "winning"? Because I've seen four years of his tax returns after 2001, and BTW, he ALWAYS claims losses equal to winnings on his schedule A. And why do I say his wife would still be breathing and eating normally these days if he didn't have to drag her to the unhealthy casino environments while he got his fix every day in that fateful venture in LV? Because I saw her and him at Tuscany back then, and she was a sickly sight who really could have & should have been involved in far healthier exercises--in such a critical time. Thank goodness he lost so he HAD to leave town.

  6. #26
    Alan, get a grip. Here's the definition of "scam".

    : a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

    Do you see anything there that states it must be an illegal act? Nope. I have already shown you many examples of where his special plays do the exact opposite of what he claims. Don't you think that is "deceptive"?

    As for legal thoughts, you should be careful because it is possible that someone could invest their money in the system because they saw it on your site and lose a lot of money. If I were you that's what I would be concerned about. I hope you have the proper disclaimers in place.

  7. #27
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Alan, it's not a big deal when arci makes up his lies about me or you or even himself, and suing the poor guy would just add to his tale of woe at this point--plus at his age his heart may not be able to take the stress. Just think about what he's put himself thru, think how he must really feel inside every time he has to help his wife get up, then think what it would be like with no real future to look forward to. Why WOULDN'T he be trying to create make-believe scenarios where others might share in his misery?
    You know he's worried when he starts to bring my wife into the conversation.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Here's how I know he lies so often and why everything about his vp play is pretend: he has maybe a 50% knowledge of how I was successful yet because that bothers him no end, he claims it can't be done because "the math" says so. What "tested genius" would ever say that without half the facts?
    I can show anyone where Singer laid out his system on freevpfree. So, chalk up one obvious lie.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Then, I've never used anyone's card in a training or any other kind of session. All he does when he,says that is prove he lies about everything he writes on the Internet.
    I can show where he admitted to doing exactly that in a couple of places although he tried to downplay it by saying it only happened once ... yeah, right. Chalk up another lie.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    So how do I know he's lying about those 12 of 13 years "winning"? Because I've seen four years of his tax returns after 2001, and BTW, he ALWAYS claims losses equal to winnings on his schedule A.
    Everyone knows that is a lie. There's little thing called privacy. Anyone showing Singer my tax return would be committing a felony. Maybe I should have my lawyer get a court order to have Singer release the name of the individual that so blatantly broke the law. It would almost be worth the cost to see him squirm when we all know it's just another obvious lie.

    So, there you have it, Alan. One lie after another. When are you going to catch on?

  8. #28
    Originally Posted by arcimede$ View Post
    Alan, get a grip. Here's the definition of "scam".

    : a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation

    Do you see anything there that states it must be an illegal act? Nope. I have already shown you many examples of where his special plays do the exact opposite of what he claims. Don't you think that is "deceptive"?

    As for legal thoughts, you should be careful because it is possible that someone could invest their money in the system because they saw it on your site and lose a lot of money. If I were you that's what I would be concerned about. I hope you have the proper disclaimers in place.
    Sorry, Arc, but Rob has been very open and forthcoming about how his strategy differs from "conventional strategy." There is no deception. In the videos on my site he openly states what the differences are between conventional play and his play -- what the expected value is.

    In the interview about his allegations of rigged and non random machines I questioned him for the proof and you can hear for yourself what he said -- and you can accept it or not.

    The only one being deceptive Arc is you for accusing him of a scam and for accusing him of deception. And am I concerned that someone could follow Rob's advice and lose money gambling? Wow, what a question. Can I sue Dancer and Grochowski and sue them for my losses because I bought their books and videos?

    And regarding this comment you made above:

    Here's the definition of "scam".
    : a fraudulent or deceptive act or operation
    Do you see anything there that states it must be an illegal act?


    Let me suggest to you that you look up the meaning for "fraudulent" and tell me if "fraudulent" is not criminal?

    Be careful.

    edited to add: I cannot comment nor am I responsible regarding other comments made on other sites or to other people and in other media. I suggest you take up those issues with the other media.
    Last edited by Alan Mendelson; 07-03-2012 at 04:59 PM.

  9. #29
    Why wouldn't an Internet hack like arci ever legally challenge the fact that I did review every aspect of his lying life? Because he doesn't want the truth to come out ON PAPER to all the people he thinks he's been fooling with his lies over the years. I welcome it arci--and at the same time I welcome a few other aspects of your BS to be known. Besides, what really have you got to lose? Daily waking up in your own little nightmare? Maybe a household weight-loss extravaganza? Or how about--and this is the kicker--how about you might not be able to get you intermittent satisfaction at the machines in you Indian casinos for a while!?

    You've lied all along, you get caught making it up on the go over and over again, and you have little to no future which irritated you even further. C'Mon arci, do it for your dignity.

  10. #30
    I really wish we could stop the fighting, the personal attacks, and stick to the issues of video poker, gaming, Vegas, etc.

    I would rather see the energy spent on researching ways to get a better gamble, maximize comps, finding better paytables and promotions, even a restaurant review would be a welcomed change of pace.

    I don't mind when Arc wants to argue how I play or even if he says Rob's system is a crock and I am just a loser. That's OK. And I don't mind when Rob says the casinos have it all figured out and if you play the way the casinos want you to play they will guzzle all of your money. That's also OK.

    But the personal attacks, the comments about scams and fraud, the comments about an unfortunate illness... of this is simply not appropriate.

    I started this Forum as a service to others in the TV industry who found that a popular TV Forum had been overrun by jerks. I added these other Forums (including this one) because there was no extra charge for doing so when I paid for the software and licensing fees to the company that operates the message boards for me.

    I don't make any money doing this. In fact, it costs me money every month. And the truth is I don't make any money running this website. it's here as a service to my TV viewers who see my TV shows and need to get additional info.

    So while this website and this Forum are not putting any money into my pockets, they are certainly filling my gut with aggravation. Please, stop the crap.

  11. #31
    OK, I will move on. Arci always needs the last word though....what else does he have? Oops--I'm sorry already!!

    Over and out on this thread.

  12. #32
    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Why wouldn't an Internet hack like arci ever legally challenge the fact that I did review every aspect of his lying life?
    Because you haven't done anything that can be punished legally. Your constant lies are not against the law. They may make you look like a fool, but that is about it.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    Because he doesn't want the truth to come out ON PAPER to all the people he thinks he's been fooling with his lies over the years. I welcome it arci--and at the same time I welcome a few other aspects of your BS to be known.
    All I do is provide facts, so the truth does come out every time I comment, unlike your constant lies and silly assertions. And, it's pretty evident you are losing it big time with this latest string of obvious lies.

    Originally Posted by Rob.Singer View Post
    You've lied all along, you get caught making it up on the go over and over again, and you have little to no future which irritated you even further. C'Mon arci, do it for your dignity.
    I really do appreciate the projection. You really must hate yourself a lot.

  13. #33
    Originally Posted by Alan Mendelson View Post
    So while this website and this Forum are not putting any money into my pockets, they are certainly filling my gut with aggravation. Please, stop the crap.
    If you are paying any attention you will note that all I do is respond to the lies Singer spews. And even then I let a lot of them pass. You know who the problem child is, Alan.

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