Wizard outting AP plays.

[kewlJ]

I take it there deflections are Rob's way of saying that he lied, didn't see any drivers licence, doesn't have the information, doesn't have these secret FBI sources.

Nothing everyone didn't already know Rob "Jason Bourne" Singer.

[MisterV]

... he's been proven to be the biggest lying fraud of all gaming forums.

Pshaw, Bobby: you will FOREVER wear that crown, but the dawg is nipping at your heels.

KJ is small fry compared to you guys.

[DGenBen]

Is that a Rolex in your pussy or are you just happy to see me?

[coach belly]

But you can be sure that an evaluation will have been done early on, which showed him NOT moving money with the count, which is why he would be welcome to play.

On what basis are you assuming that the scenario above did not take place?

[coach belly]

This is fantasy nonsense. It is not how things work.

The scenario I wrote about earlier is not fantasy nonsense.

It explains how a high-limit player can vary his bet widely and wildly, and win.

It occurs regularly...and of course it is tolerated.

MDawg's adventure of struggling to stay about even for most of a long session, then catching a good shoe at the end, capitalizing by betting at or near the table max for the winning streak, winning and leaving, rings true...because it happens regularly.

That's how it works in the High-Limit rooms.

You are insisting that he spread 50x all throughout a 10-hour session, based on card-counting, but MDawg did not write that.

I don't recall him even mentioning card-counting in that particular post...did he?

[kewlJ]

As usual there is no sense in talking to you belly. You are not grounded in reality. You are suppose this suppose that. You even supported that Alan saw 18 y.o. in a row, saying that was possible. That really is the end of talking sensibly to coach belly.

This is my final statement to you on this subject. IF Mdawg was allowed to spread $100-$5000 for 10 straight hours, it was only because they had done an evaluation and determined he was not spreading with the count. In other words they determined him to be a losing player. Could a losing player get lucky? of course it happens all the time.

But that has not been Mdawgs narrative throughout these 5 years. If he now wants to claim all the winning that he has claimed is just due to him being lucky and not a winning player, he can do so. I am listening. But again, that will contradict what he has alluded to if not directly said for 5 years.

So ball is in his court. I am also interested to hear if Mdawg acknowledges that Mr suppose this, suppose that, who is now supposing Mdawg is a losing player who just got lucky and gets lucky day after day is actually speaking for him. Otherwise, no sense in talking to Belly, who thinks Alan could have seen 18 y.o in a row. Probably thinks he saw the Easter Bully at some point as well.

[MDawg]

Now will come the SChiZoPHreNiC UNKewl PYsCHo babble, including 10x multiplier responses packed with long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again complete with "Now I'd like to address..." introductory phrases.

[coach belly]

In other words they determined him to be a losing player.

Those are your other words, not theirs, you have no direct knowledge of their evaluation.

But whatever MDawg wrote about his other adventures has no bearing on the circumstances or results of the 10-hour session he described.

The only information you have is that he was betting between the table min and table max for a 10-hour session and he won for the session, which you acknowledge "happens all the time."

And that directly contradicts with what you wrote earlier...

claiming to spread $100-$5000 at double deck blackjack for 10 hours?...that is NOT how things work

[kewlJ]

But whatever MDawg wrote about his other adventures has no bearing on the circumstances or results of the 10-hour session he described.

What fucking alternative reality do YOU live in? Everything he has ever said or claim has bearing on each new claim or thing said.

Look it someone shows up claiming to have played 4 rounds of roulette today betting red/black and won 3 of the 4. Fine. No one would say anything.

But when tomorrow and the next day and day after that, for 100 straight days they claim the same thing, circumstances have changed. That claim is no longer reasonable. Not anyone of those 100 days alone is unreasonable, but in it's entirety, all are now. Everything said before or after is part of the equation.

Nothing is in a vacuum.

[kewlJ]

Look there is no reason to continue on with this (just as there never is). Mdawg won't even answer a simple question, because he can't. All he wants to do is troll.

The bottom line is Mdawgs claims are so preposterous in relation to how the math and things really work, he might just as well be claiming he lives on the moon and commutes back and forth every day. That is how realistic the claims in the Adventure of Mdawg thread are.

That Rob Singer and coach belly are representing him only makes it more hilarious. MaxPen don't you want to join in and throw away any credibility you have left?

[DGenBen]

Look there is no reason to continue on with this (just as there never is). Mdawg won't even answer a simple question, because he can't. All he wants to do is troll.

The bottom line is Mdawgs claims are so preposterous in relation to how the math and things really work, he might just as well be claiming he lives on the moon and commutes back and forth every day. That is how realistic the claims in the Adventure of Mdawg thread are.

That Rob Singer and coach belly are representing him only makes it more hilarious. MaxPen don't you want to join in and throw away any credibility you have left?

So what exactly is your beef with Mdawg?

[MaxPen]

That Rob Singer and coach belly are representing him only makes it more hilarious. MaxPen don't you want to join in and throw away any credibility you have left?

I tend to publicly stay out of things when I don't exactly know what's going on. You should try it sometime. I may have expressed a paragraph or so on what MDawg's deal may be. Frankly I don't care.

At a minimum one person I know has met the guy and says he is a decent person. That gives him 10x more credibility than you have.

Most people reading this site just show up to watch the FraudJ trainwreck.

[kewlJ]

At a minimum one person I know has met the guy and says he is a decent person. That gives him 10x more credibility than you have.

And that person is Michael Shackleford known as Wizard correct?

[Gottlob]

Most people reading this site just show up to watch the FraudJ trainwreck.

Yep. The reason that the following solution is doubled, to account for one pair of lovers in love with another. Hard to figure, but, it is what it is. Ha.

Pshaw, Bobby: you will FOREVER wear that crown, but the dawg is nipping at your heels. KJ is small fry compared to you guys.

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[kewlJ]

Maxpen, was asking if Wizard is that person that has met Mdawg a tough question for you? We both know you have told me that. I don't see what is so hard about that.

But anyway, moving along in the interest of time, because I will be heading out shortly, this is what Wizard wrote on August 13 about this particular situation and claim. Mdawgs comments in italic. Wizard response bolded for distinction.

Quote: MDawg
This was an interesting session. Occurred over the past year, not necessarily during the current trip. I reported it, but not all the details. I didn't want to report it too close to when it happened because I felt like the incident was memorable enough to stick in who knows whose craw for a while.

I played at a casino where I have not played in a very long time. I have a player card there, but no credit line.

I bought in for $35,000. DD Blackjack. 3:2. Regular table. Decent rules.

My min bet was 100, max 5000. I played in that range. I jammed the bet whenever the count was high enough and my total recall of every card played and the sequence of the most recent cards out, told me to jam it up there.

I was playing alone at times, with up to three other players at times.

Eventually, I declared that I was going to take every single (500) chip from the dealer's tray, and wasn't going to stop until I had them all. I wasn't collecting any 1000s, pretty much just 100s and 500s.

It took a very long time, something like ten hours of almost straight play. And there was a lot of back and forth, but eventually, with the final hand being a 5000 one I did it. Now, at this particular casino, every single (500) in the tray wasn't a fortune. But it was a lot. This wasn't one of the majors.

But what's funny is that afterwards, I ran into one of the players who had been at my table, who was surprised that I hadn't cleared many times what I cleared, as in emptied out at least all the 1000 and many of 5000 chips too, because this player mentioned that if I had played flat out there were long periods when I was winning every single hand. But, I didn't look at it that way, I was pressing only when I saw the edge.

But still, to go into a casino, declare a lofty goal, and meet it...pretty nice.

It doesn't always work out that way, or even close. But this time, it did.
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Wizard: I have been asked to comment on this post.

Before I do so, let me remind the forum of the liberal free speech policy. However, it's also allowed to call out incredible claims, like Alan's 18 yo's. Reminder also that while you can challenge a post, you can't insult the poster.

That said, this story I find hard to believe. A 50 to 1 spread in a double deck game, while counting? As a counter for 37 years now (man, I'm old), this already seems ridiculous. The only way it might be allowed was if the counter was a bad counter, which does happen.

If you were betting up to $5,000, I would expect wins to be paid in yellows, assuming that is as high as the chips went. To pay in ten purples when yellows are in the rack also doesn't seem believable.

Let's pay close attention to this part.

Quote: MDawg
I jammed the bet whenever the count was high enough and my total recall of every card played and the sequence of the most recent cards out, told me to jam it up there.



Wizard: Total recall of every card? Are you saying you have a Rain Man kind of ability to remember every card played?

The sequence of the most recent cards? This would seem to say you're either shuffle tracking or (must restrain myself here) have a baccarat-player like belief that the cards run in patterns. Which is it?

Finally the part about the rack not being refilled doesn't seem realistic. Maybe I could see this in a jurisdiction where it's illegal to back off counters. However, in Vegas, they either want your action or they don't. I will admit I've never played at a level where I was any threat to clean out the rack. At the level you claim to play, I don't see casinos using passive aggressive tactics like this. If they didn't want your action, they would just get of you and then put you in OSN or whatever database of cheats and advantage players casinos are using these days.

That said, I welcome your reply. Thank you.

Wizard who said he has 37 years as a card counter, used words and phrases like "ridiculous", "doesn't seem believable" and "doesn't seem realistic" to describe this claim of Mdawgs. So it isn't just me and my little 20 years of experience calling this out as ridiculous and not the way things work.

The very person who told you Mdawg is a decent person called out the same.

And finally, I have no idea if Mdawg is a decent person or not. Any opinion I have of that is based only on his trolling attacks and lies of not just me, but anyone who ever doubted his bullshit claims and great adventured story. Maybe when he is not attacking and lying about people online he is Sister Teresa, handing out food and $100 bills to the less fortunate.

That is all this ever was about for me (same as Singer). These claims are not the way the math or Las Vegas works. Maxpen even your friend (and Mdawgs friend) Wizard said so.

Have an enjoyable evening.

[MDawg]

As usual,

But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

because after further thought, the Wizard retracted most of what he said against my session report and just ended up asking some clarifying questions is all. The Wizard knows the score. MDawg is the BMOC.

[MisterV]

MDawg is the BMOC.

BMOC=bullshitting moron on cue

[kewlJ]

As usual,

But I do know this, it is routine for tewlj to make shit up on the fly to push his false narratives. He'd rather climb to the top of a tree just to tell a lie than stand on the ground and tell the truth. So I call into question the "facts" tewlj attributed to MDawg's posts.

I don't have time to do it but I bet if I went over to WoV and read MDawg's thread, what MDawg actually wrote, and what tewlj says he wrote, are probably vastly different.

because after further thought, the Wizard retracted most of what he said against my session report and just ended up asking some clarifying questions is all. The Wizard knows the score. MDawg is the BMOC.

Where? Where is that retraction? Post a link or screen shot please.

Here is what I am aware of and I have never wanted to out you in case this is really what you were successfully doing. But I am 100% sure it is not real now, so... Behind the scenes you claim you are shuffle-tracking. Right? You have publicly claimed you have total recall of the cards, ala rainman and you use this to shuffletrack.

Here is the problem. Shuffle-tracking is not new. I first heard about shuffle-tracking in the movie "21" about the MIT team from the early 90's. Arnold Snyder's Shuffle-track cookbook was published in 1994. So that is 30 years and really I have read accounts that the shuffle-tracking heyday was in the 70's. So it has been around 50-60 years same as card counting. Casino know all about shuffle-tracking. I am not saying it can't successfully be applied, but there aren't allowing a player to sit their 10 hours spreading like you claim when a winning hand is coming. A blind guy could spot that.

What makes your claim of 10 hours spreading $100-$5000 isn't whether you were card counting, or shuffle-tracking (as you claim in private) or almost any other thing you might have been doing to gain an advantage. It is that you think the casino and pit folks who's job is on the line is going to sit there and allow you to do that. And win 60K over 10 hours and win, day after day after day. THAT, my friend is the part that is NOT how Las Vegas and the casino industry works!!!!

Whatever you are doing to play with an advantage, casinos will not allow you to do it for long, even before they have figured out what it is. THAT is the way Las Vegas works.

So if you are rainman and shuffle tracking, you would almost immediately be in the same boat as card counters. Playing unrated, Playing short sessions, trying your best to hide and play under the radar. But you made up this story trying to claim that casino allow you to play with an advantage and welcome you. I guess thinking shuffle-tracking is something new, when the casino industry is just as familiar with shuffle-tracking as card counting. And it has been around just as long if not longer.

Do you get it now? It isn't specific to what you are claiming you do or change your story to doing this or that. What I am objecting to is this idea you are falsely claiming that casinos welcome advantage and winning play. Advantage play is something you have to work at. It isn't all this "I am the pope of Las Vegas shit" so they welcome me to take their money and cost pit folks their jobs.

[Gottlob]

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[MaxPen]

I think MDawg's stories are accomplishing what he wants them to....lol