I have a confession to make regarding my Player's Club Cards....

[Tasha]

I ask people who don't have Player's Club Cards if I can put my Player's Club Card in their machine and a lot of people let me do it. I earn points, free play, win promotions, and free food and drinks this way.

I sometimes ask high rollers for this. I damn near shit my pants when someone playing $2.50 a spin won like $2,000 when he got a lucky money train. I was stunned . I was like,"He's not playing Max Bet, he's playing less than Max Bet, so he most likely will NOT hit a handpay. I was mistaken. I said something like,"I REALLY don't want to be in trouble with the Player's Club Staff when you get your Handpay, I'm taking my Player's Club Card out of your machine, but thanks for helping me out." He was like,"I understand and you're welcome." pulled my Player's Club Card out of his machine and asked someone who was only playing.90 cents, on a machine that doesn't often give Handpay if I could put my Player's Club card TV his machine and he let me, and I got the Promotion.

One day, I was desperate to win a Promotion, and someone I asked looked uncomfortable. She was like 22, young enough to be my Daughter.(I'm almost 40)She was like,"Um sure, and she spun a couple of times and then moved. I saw her like 10 minutes later at another machine and she was in a Bonus, and her Mother was sitting next to her. After the Bonus, I asked her if I could put my Player's Club Card in her machine, and her Mother was like,"You need to stop speaking to my Daughter or I will report you to the Casino Staff. I left like most people would do. I imagine the young player probably said something like,"Thanks Mom, that woman was making me uncomfortable." I REALLY shouldn't have asked someone who CLEARLY looked uncomfortable.

The people who let me put my Player's Club Card in their machines generally look like they are OKAY with me putting my Player's Club Card in their machine, NOT uncomfortable. I really shouldn't have asked her at the second machine when she looked uncomfortable at the first machine. Another instance, a guy let me put my Player's Club Card in his machine and after a few spins, he had a look on his face like"I REALLY shouldn't be playing with her card in my machine" and stopped and went to another machine. I figured he was just tired of the machine he was playing at and moved. At the second machine, I asked him if I could put my Player's Club Card in his machine and he was like,"Ma'am, I'm really not comfortable playing with your card in my machine. I got the point and walked away. I confused the "I REALLY shouldn't be playing with her card in my machine look," with a "I'm tired of this machine and am going to another machine look."

One day, there was a Promotion saying something like,"Play 100 points and win $10, up to $250 dollars." I asked someone if I could put my Player's Club Card in his machine as he played and he was like,"Okay." He was a high roller on a machine that didn't often give handpays. He won me 400 points/ $40 in free play. The next month his 400 points he won for me gave me $50 in free play. So, I got $90 from his 400, points he won me.

A LOT of my huge win loss statements are actually because I asked other people to let me put my Player's Club Card in their machine as they played and they let me.

[MisterV]

Q: What's the difference between Tasha approaching strangers in a casino, asking if she can use her card for their play, and a freeway offramp beggar living in a tent?

A: Tasha has a hideous handbag.

[accountinquestion]

Tasha, thank you for sharing.

Mdawg bashing FraudJ's brains in repeatedly gets kinda old.

[smurgerburger]

Now that had the ring of truth.

[jbjb]

Nice pseudo AP move!

[kewlJ]

Nice pseudo AP move!

I was going to say that technically what Tasha is describing is an AP play. But then so is some illegal cheating.

What Tasha is describing has a homeless begger feel to it. Just my opinion of course.


I was a little surprised to read that she found so many players, presumably ploppie type players, playing without a players card. Degen gamblers in Florida don't like mailer offers?

[accountinquestion]

Nice pseudo AP move!

I was going to say that technically what Tasha is describing is an AP play. But then so is some illegal cheating.

What Tasha is describing has a homeless begger feel to it. Just my opinion of course.


I was a little surprised to read that she found so many players, presumably ploppie type players, playing without a players card. Degen gamblers in Florida don't like mailer offers?

Now you are using your expertise in APdom to tell us that Tasha actually is an AP? Are you off your meds?

I had the same homeless beggar feeling but then you realize that beggars actually ask you to give up something.

Tasha's benefactors are likely just amused. Imagine Tasha sitting right there looking more like a vulture than an actual slot vulture.

[kewlJ]

Tasha's benefactors are likely just amused. Imagine Tasha sitting right there looking more like a vulture than an actual slot vulture.

The funniest part to me, is Tasha thought she had a good thing going, until someone hit a $2000 jackpot with her card in. Then that Tasha smile turned upside down into a frown because she thought she was on the hook for tax liability, not even seeming to know that she could offset that $2000 with absolutely no paperwork required. Just mark down the same amount in losses.

Now THAT is entertainment.

[accountinquestion]

Tasha's benefactors are likely just amused. Imagine Tasha sitting right there looking more like a vulture than an actual slot vulture.

The funniest part to me, is Tasha thought she had a good thing going, until someone hit a $2000 jackpot with her card in. Then that Tasha smile turned upside down into a frown because she thought she was on the hook for tax liability, not even seeming to know that she could offset that $2000 with absolutely no paperwork required. Just mark down the same amount in losses.

Now THAT is entertainment.

Kewl, a few days ago Don Perigon explained to you or something else that you have to get rid of your standard deductions. THen you will need to figure out what all can replace it. It is actually a significant thing and likely a net negative. Come'on man.

[Darkoz]

Nice pseudo AP move!

I was going to say that technically what Tasha is describing is an AP play. But then so is some illegal cheating.

What Tasha is describing has a homeless begger feel to it. Just my opinion of course.


I was a little surprised to read that she found so many players, presumably ploppie type players, playing without a players card. Degen gamblers in Florida don't like mailer offers?

It's more common than you think.

People who don't live in the area (Florida in particular is a vacation destination) won't bother with cards.

Also many people are superstitious. They see a correlation with losing when having their players cards in. Surprisingly these same people may let you put your card in if they feel it's good luck for them. Guaranteed if Tasha sees that $2.50 wins $2000 guy again he will beg her to put her card in while she plays.

Taxes are another reason. Some people want to hide their play from IRS or even child support.

Finally just plain laziness. People who show up and left their card at home and Don feel like wasting time at the rewards desk.

[kewlJ]

Kewl, a few days ago Don Perigon explained to you or something else that you have to get rid of your standard deductions. THen you will need to figure out what all can replace it. It is actually a significant thing and likely a net negative. Come'on man.

I read it and yes, for someone off setting a $2000 jackpot win (or 2 or 3) , they aren't going to itemize just to offset. Would probably work out better using standard and eating the tax amount, and if you were low enough income there probably wouldn't be any tax liability from that single hit.

When my partner and are were in our prime, playing VP as supplemental, we would have up to 80k in hand pays a year, so we had to offset most of that. Including using blackjack play to offset. Do you know what it takes to offset? A lot of players run around collecting year end W/L statements from casinos they lost at. W/L statements mean nothing to the IRS. They don't even accept them. But oddly what they do accept is a journal of where you played and amounts won and lost each day. You should include some machine numbers and even table numbers in your journal.

am NOT advocating anyone do anything illegal. I am just saying how ridiculous the IRS is. They won't accept casino W/L records, but will accepts a handwritten journal or record.

[accountinquestion]

Kewl, a few days ago Don Perigon explained to you or something else that you have to get rid of your standard deductions. THen you will need to figure out what all can replace it. It is actually a significant thing and likely a net negative. Come'on man.

I read it and yes, for someone off setting a $2000 jackpot win (or 2 or 3) , they aren't going to itemize just to offset. Would probably work out better using standard and eating the tax amount, and if you were low enough income there probably wouldn't be any tax liability from that single hit.

When my partner and are were in our prime, playing VP as supplemental, we would have up to 80k in hand pays a year, so we had to offset most of that. Including using blackjack play to offset. Do you know what it takes to offset? A lot of players run around collecting year end W/L statements from casinos they lost at. W/L statements mean nothing to the IRS. They don't even accept them. But oddly what they do accept is a journal of where you played and amounts won and lost each day. You should include some machine numbers and even table numbers in your journal.

am NOT advocating anyone do anything illegal. I am just saying how ridiculous the IRS is. They won't accept casino W/L records, but will accepts a handwritten journal or record.

Yet you said this. vvvvv Why would you ever post the below if you understood how it worked? Of course she can offset any amount of jackpots legally since she is a losing gambler. (More or less)

Tasha, can I ask what it is you are worried about? At the level you play (or at least that you tell us you play), you should easily be able to offset several jackpots in the low 4 figure range as far as tax liability.

It all suggests you didn't really get how it worked and now here we go with the stories.

[kewlJ]

I know exactly how it works, dude. Your whole existence now seems to try to put me down and discredit me. A lot of that going around.

I just wasn't sure if Tasha did, nor even how many hand pay's she has even had. I don't read everything she posts, but it sure seems like she plays very low limits.

[accountinquestion]

MisterV we have a young man on aisle 7 that is in need of assistance.

[kewlJ]

MisterV we have a young man on aisle 7 that is in need of assistance.

One of the few things I like about this forum is that in my 40's I am still the "young" guy (unless Zenking is posting).

Actually, I have always thought that one of the things some of you older dudes hold against me. But I am probably just paranoid right?

Dude, I am a couple months short of having APed for a living for 20 years! I have bought and sold multiple properties from my winnings. I have been audited by the IRS. I have a tax guy here in Vegas that specializes in professional players. get over it!

[Treeshade]

MisterV we have a young man on aisle 7 that is in need of assistance.

One of the few things I like about this forum is that in my 40's I am still the "young" guy (unless Zenking is posting).

Actually, I have always thought that one of the things some of you older dudes hold against me. But I am probably just paranoid right?

Dude, I am a couple months short of having APed for a living for 20 years! I have bought and sold multiple properties from my winnings. I have been audited by the IRS. I have a tax guy here in Vegas that specializes in professional players. get over it!

No you didn’t GroomJ just stop it lol

[jbjb]

Nice pseudo AP move!

I was going to say that technically what Tasha is describing is an AP play. But then so is some illegal cheating.

What Tasha is describing has a homeless begger feel to it. Just my opinion of course.


I was a little surprised to read that she found so many players, presumably ploppie type players, playing without a players card. Degen gamblers in Florida don't like mailer offers?

Now you are using your expertise in APdom to tell us that Tasha actually is an AP? Are you off your meds?

I had the same homeless beggar feeling but then you realize that beggars actually ask you to give up something.

Tasha's benefactors are likely just amused. Imagine Tasha sitting right there looking more like a vulture than an actual slot vulture.

At least she didn't just leave her card in a machine hoping some unsuspecting gambler would play on it. Right Mission?

[Treeshade]

Kewl, a few days ago Don Perigon explained to you or something else that you have to get rid of your standard deductions. THen you will need to figure out what all can replace it. It is actually a significant thing and likely a net negative. Come'on man.

I read it and yes, for someone off setting a $2000 jackpot win (or 2 or 3) , they aren't going to itemize just to offset. Would probably work out better using standard and eating the tax amount, and if you were low enough income there probably wouldn't be any tax liability from that single hit.

When my partner and are were in our prime, playing VP as supplemental, we would have up to 80k in hand pays a year, so we had to offset most of that. Including using blackjack play to offset. Do you know what it takes to offset? A lot of players run around collecting year end W/L statements from casinos they lost at. W/L statements mean nothing to the IRS. They don't even accept them. But oddly what they do accept is a journal of where you played and amounts won and lost each day. You should include some machine numbers and even table numbers in your journal.

am NOT advocating anyone do anything illegal. I am just saying how ridiculous the IRS is. They won't accept casino W/L records, but will accepts a handwritten journal or record.

Dam !!!! 80k in your prime !!! Lol

You do realize the homeless scarab hustlers probably have more then 80k a year in hand pays.

[Treeshade]

I ask people who don't have Player's Club Cards if I can put my Player's Club Card in their machine and a lot of people let me do it. I earn points, free play, win promotions, and free food and drinks this way.

I sometimes ask high rollers for this. I damn near shit my pants when someone playing $2.50 a spin won like $2,000 when he got a lucky money train. I was stunned . I was like,"He's not playing Max Bet, he's playing less than Max Bet, so he most likely will NOT hit a handpay. I was mistaken. I said something like,"I REALLY don't want to be in trouble with the Player's Club Staff when you get your Handpay, I'm taking my Player's Club Card out of your machine, but thanks for helping me out." He was like,"I understand and you're welcome." pulled my Player's Club Card out of his machine and asked someone who was only playing.90 cents, on a machine that doesn't often give Handpay if I could put my Player's Club card TV his machine and he let me, and I got the Promotion.

One day, I was desperate to win a Promotion, and someone I asked looked uncomfortable. She was like 22, young enough to be my Daughter.(I'm almost 40)She was like,"Um sure, and she spun a couple of times and then moved. I saw her like 10 minutes later at another machine and she was in a Bonus, and her Mother was sitting next to her. After the Bonus, I asked her if I could put my Player's Club Card in her machine, and her Mother was like,"You need to stop speaking to my Daughter or I will report you to the Casino Staff. I left like most people would do. I imagine the young player probably said something like,"Thanks Mom, that woman was making me uncomfortable." I REALLY shouldn't have asked someone who CLEARLY looked uncomfortable.

The people who let me put my Player's Club Card in their machines generally look like they are OKAY with me putting my Player's Club Card in their machine, NOT uncomfortable. I really shouldn't have asked her at the second machine when she looked uncomfortable at the first machine. Another instance, a guy let me put my Player's Club Card in his machine and after a few spins, he had a look on his face like"I REALLY shouldn't be playing with her card in my machine" and stopped and went to another machine. I figured he was just tired of the machine he was playing at and moved. At the second machine, I asked him if I could put my Player's Club Card in his machine and he was like,"Ma'am, I'm really not comfortable playing with your card in my machine. I got the point and walked away. I confused the "I REALLY shouldn't be playing with her card in my machine look," with a "I'm tired of this machine and am going to another machine look."

One day, there was a Promotion saying something like,"Play 100 points and win $10, up to $250 dollars." I asked someone if I could put my Player's Club Card in his machine as he played and he was like,"Okay." He was a high roller on a machine that didn't often give handpays. He won me 400 points/ $40 in free play. The next month his 400 points he won for me gave me $50 in free play. So, I got $90 from his 400, points he won me.

A LOT of my huge win loss statements are actually because I asked other people to let me put my Player's Club Card in their machine as they played and they let me.

Tableplay (I think) mentioned some time Back about a guy who would clone the magnetic strip and somehow insert that into a machine so when plops played it gave him credit. Totally a felony but it was interesting


Another angle is to use plops to get in your coin in requirement for the day. If the casino requires it

[DGenBen]

Tasha, here’s one thing you could do so you don’t have to worry about people saying no when you ask to use your card.

When you see someone playing with no card walk up to them and say “Excuse me. I think I dropped my cell phone over here, do you see a cell phone by your feet?”

And then when they look down, slip your card into the machine.