Math vs fantasy

[Spike]

I am not defying the t
he math. The math for roulette is figured using random bets against random outcomes. I use non random bets so the math using random bets does not apply to me.

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Having an 80% hit rate does not mean winning 3 out of 4 every time. It does mean winning mean winning every session however.

Sophistry raises its head, sniffs the air, climbs out of its hole and announces "Here I am."

My posts are not deceptive they are the result of years of work

[MisterV]

My posts are not deceptive they are the result of years of work

Spike, seriously, your claims are as worthless as a fart in the wind unless they can be validated by independent trials, using the so-called scientific method.

Perhaps it would be best for you to explain in excruciating detail exactly how you play so that those here with the know-how can test your claims scientifically / mathematically.

Otherwise you're no different than a schizophrenic homeless guy claiming to be the son of god.

[Spike]

My posts are not deceptive they are the result of years of work

Spike, seriously, your claims are as worthless as a fart in the wind unless they can be validated by independent trials, using the so-called scientific method.

Perhaps it would be best for you to explain in excruciating detail exactly how you play so that those here with the know-how can test your claims scientifically / mathematically.

Otherwise you're no different than a schizophrenic homeless guy claiming to be the son of god.

The only people I have to convince are the casinos. I do that every day.

[MisterV]

The only people I have to convince are the casinos. I do that every day.

Perhaps, but why then do you brag to strangers on these boards over and over about beating the casinos on a daily basis but then refuse to explain how you do so when challenged?

Surely your methods are not illegal, nor against casino rules, so why not share them with the world?

What, do you hate humanity to such a degree that you refuse to bestow upon us your beneficial gift of Sure Fire Casino Victory?

Spike, that would cement your legacy on these boards as being a real mensch, a true AP, instead of a world-class attention whore whose only joy is to watch reactions of strangers to his words on the screen.

[accountinquestion]

I am not defying the t
he math. The math for roulette is figured using random bets against random outcomes. I use non random bets so the math using random bets does not apply to me.

If the ball lands on 23 every time but you bet randomly then you lose.

If you don't bet randomly but the ball lands randomly then you still lose.

Do you disagree with either?

It all depends on the quality of the non random bet

Ahh you can't answer the simple questions.

Another bullshit artist with no shame.. or at least very little intelligence.

Great. This is one is so stupid you can't even call out his claims because they're so nonsensical as are his explanations.

edit - To others - Sorry to start out so harsh but this guy needs to move along.. He isn't even Singer level. Just total drivel. He will muck this forum to no end with his absurdities. Plus I am in a bad mood.

[coach belly]

why not share them with the world?

Is that how it works on these forums?

My impression is that sharing "plays" was/is frowned upon by the APs.

I've read that they flip out and get downright nasty about that.

[accountinquestion]

why not share them with the world?

Is that how it works on these forums?

My impression is that sharing "plays" was/is frowned upon by the APs.

I've read that they flip out and get downright nasty about that.

You think his claims are considered plays?

[Spike]

If the ball lands on 23 every time but you bet randomly then you lose.

If you don't bet randomly but the ball lands randomly then you still lose.

Do you disagree with either?

It all depends on the quality of the non random bet

Ahh you can't answer the simple questions.

I did answer. Quality of the bet is the most important criteria. I make extremely good educated guesses.

[coach belly]

You think his claims are considered plays?

If he has a method to gain an advantage in a casino, then yes I would consider that a play.

And, I would strongly advise against him sharing his method on the forums.

After all, sharing plays publicly has a history of not being very well-received.

[coach belly]

I make extremely good educated guesses.

Good for you.

Win or lose, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Are you betting with their money or something?

Any insight into all of this of anti-social feedback you're getting?

[accountinquestion]

You think his claims are considered plays?

If he has a method to gain an advantage in a casino, then yes I would consider that a play.

And, I would strongly advise against him sharing his method on the forums.

After all, sharing plays publicly has a history of not being very well-received.

And you think he is guessing where the ball is landing?

I've known guys who wait until the ball drops and they made their decisions on that. This has never been seriously suggested to work.

I might even be possible to clock a wheel and gain some very small edge with a consistent spinner. With an electronic device one could do it far better. All this stuff has been suggested and explored.

There were even teams beating up on old uncalibrated wheels. It happens.

So far Spike has said nothing to suggest any of that. Apparently it is all based on his instincts at the time.

If you want to think there is a play there then that speaks to your understanding of this stuff as much as it does his.

[Treeshade]

The only people I have to convince are the casinos. I do that every day.

Perhaps, but why then do you brag to strangers on these boards over and over about beating the casinos on a daily basis but then refuse to explain how you do so when challenged?

Surely your methods are not illegal, nor against casino rules, so why not share them with the world?

What, do you hate humanity to such a degree that you refuse to bestow upon us your beneficial gift of Sure Fire Casino Victory?

Spike, that would cement your legacy on these boards as being a real mensch, a true AP, instead of a world-class attention whore whose only joy is to watch reactions of strangers to his words on the screen.

You idiots keep talking about “it’s against casino rules”. Perhaps you don’t realize how bad casinos cheat. Hardly ever are you getting a fair game. It amazing how some of you look down on gray area plays, and boasting about how you win straight up. I watch casinos reset machines weekly clearing must hits and bonus machines. Ive seen casinos pull aces and faces out of the deck at the blackjack table. I’ve seen regular customers get banned from promotional clubs Just by winning Including winning roulette players lol. I have seen slot machines set not to pay out certain line pays resulting in a bigger edge to the casino. I’ve seen slot machines not rate the players correctly. Over the years I’ve witnessed the casino cheating in every way possible. When they get caught the fine is insignificant to them. Yet we have idiot advantage players who rat out others and talk about how they win straight up lmao. Complete broke boy idiotic thinking. Who ever takes advantage of the rules the best wins the money

[Spike]

I make extremely good educated guesses.

Good for you.

Win or lose, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Are you betting with their money or something?

Any insight into all of this of anti-social feedback you're getting?

There is nothing anyone could say that I have not heard hundreds of times before. I am always betting with casino money. Have been for years.

[accountinquestion]

I make extremely good educated guesses.

Good for you.

Win or lose, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Are you betting with their money or something?

Any insight into all of this of anti-social feedback you're getting?

It mucks up the forum with absolute garbage.

I can write up pages of how I have a tree in my backyard that grows hundos.

Now talking about it briefly sure .. but if that is what I based my presence around on this forum? lol. I'd hope people would try and chase me off.

In addition he literally googles up "jokes" thinking it will bother MisterV. Can one be more lame? I have some bad jokes. I'm sure that often my jokes are not found to be funny. I find them funny - so that has a lot of importance. Regardless this clown can't even make up his own jokes.

I pointed out that there was a legitimate theory circulating that MisterV has latent homosexual desires for Kewl and that is why he is insistent on standing up for him. That wasn't even meant to be a joke but it is probably far more amusing than those "jokes".

Next Spike is going to google up your momma jokes. Ugh.

[coach belly]

So far Spike has said nothing to suggest any of that. Apparently it is all based on his instincts at the time.

Apparently you believe some or all of what he has been telling you.

[accountinquestion]

So far Spike has said nothing to suggest any of that. Apparently it is all based on his instincts at the time.

Apparently you believe some or all of what he has been telling you.

Okey dokey.

The only thing I partially believe is that he may believe himself.

Or maybe he is just a lonely old guy looking for attention.

Maybe he is Kewl's alternate ego.

Who the fuck knows. I rank them in order of greatest possibility first.

[coach belly]

It mucks up the forum with absolute garbage.

Your presence here mucks up the forum with absolute garbage...namely you, you arrogant asshole.

[kewlJ]

I make extremely good educated guesses.

Good for you.

Win or lose, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Extremely good educated guesses. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all! No one would have a problem with that....least of all the casinos. THAT is exactly what they were built on and for.

If that is the way someone wants to bet and play, "educated guesses" and "special plays", that is fine. Power to them. The world needs taxi drivers and ambulance chasing lawyers too. Just don't come on the forum and redefine the math, or mix in voodoo or "alternative" math. It is insulting to every advantage player, from lowly card counters on up to players doing things I can only dream of.

[accountinquestion]

It mucks up the forum with absolute garbage.

Your presence here mucks up the forum with absolute garbage...namely you, you arrogant asshole.

It is true I am arrogant and an asshole. The world needs more people who speak freely. Those who don't follow crowds. If so then we likely wouldn't be so fucked up.

However in real life I'm not so arrogant. I doubt people I like would ever call me arrogant or an asshole.

You on the other hand deserve every fucking ounce of arrogance you receive.

Anyway, maybe Spike will send you his play in private and you can go off and bank on it. Makes sense, no? Spike.. do us a favor.. and I'll be nice.

[accountinquestion]

I make extremely good educated guesses.

Good for you.

Win or lose, why would anyone have a problem with that?

Extremely good educated guesses. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all! No one would have a problem with that....least of all the casinos. THAT is exactly what they were built on and for.

If that is the way someone wants to bet and play, "educated guesses" and "special plays", that is fine. Power to them. The world needs taxi drivers and ambulance chasing lawyers too. Just don't come on the forum and redefine the math, or mix in voodoo or "alternative" math. It is insulting to every advantage player, from lowly card counters on up to players doing things I can only dream of.

Kewl, please, math these fucks to death!

Get em!

I'll support you on your quest to straighten out Spike.