Math vs fantasy

[kewlJ]

TBH it's not one of his worst efforts.

For the last several years, he probably has more activity on the sports board than anyone other than red.

All to set up the current, insignificant lie, apparently.

Dom Perignom, you need to stop being so rational and level-headed. It interferes with the KJ haters conspiracy theories and agenda.

A couple more sensible posts and they will claim you are a sock puppet.

[Spike]

Okey dokey.

The only thing I partially believe is that he may believe himself.

Or maybe he is just a lonely old guy looking for attention.

It does not matter one flying shit in hell if I believe it or not, the casino needs to believe it. And every time I play I win the session and they pay me. That means they believe it and that's all I give a crap about.

[kewlJ]

It does not matter one flying shit in hell if I believe it or not, the casino needs to believe it. And every time I play I win the session and they pay me. That means they believe it and that's all I give a crap about.

And Jack climbed the beanstalk and slayed the giant.

[Spike]

Never once have I claimed some bullshit that defies math. NOT ONCE!!

As well you should not. What I do doesn't defy the math, the math changes because I'm using non-random bets. Surely you see that the math was calculated using random bets and that it has to change if you're using non-random.

[smurgerburger]

TBH it's not one of his worst efforts.

For the last several years, he probably has more activity on the sports board than anyone other than red.

All to set up the current, insignificant lie, apparently.

This is not a correct inference.

[Don Perignom]

This is not a correct inference.

It's not even the correct thread. We're supposed to be discussing Spike's sports betting.

[Spike]

I actually told you to straighten out Spike's math. "Math them to death". I was being serious. Of course math matters.

AIQ, I fear you'd be sending KJ on a fool's errand: Spike doesn't believe that math matters in gambling as he only plays in the short run, so "educated guesses" are all that matters to him.

Trying to explain the fallacy of his thinking via mathematical analysis and refutation would be as pointless as handing out a Watchtower pamphlet to a Hamas terrorist.

Spike has played this angle for literally decades on varius gambling forums, always with the same lack of clarity, explanation and validation: he feasts on it.

Yea, I kinda knew that I guess. He is one of the most active posters on WOV I believe. I asked him a few simple questions to try and narrow down what his actual belief is. Either delusions or he has some mental malfunction that has him lying on casinos for many many years even while being discredited and disdained.

Hopefully he doesn't setup shop here too much. Most people have a personality. This one doesn't.

Who the f*** are you? LOL. I had over 20,000 posts on gambler's Glen and I'm approaching 30,000 posts on wov. I should listen to you? I've been figuring out roulette for 18 years, daily. How much time are you got into it? AQbout zero would be my guess

[kewlJ]

As well you should not. What I do doesn't defy the math, the math changes because I'm using non-random bets. Surely you see that the math was calculated using random bets and that it has to change if you're using non-random.

First, don't call me Shirley.

Second I am going to hate myself for even engaging, but define "non-random bets". Are you talking about different size bets, like a progression? Which wouldn't change the formula of total amount wagered x negtive expectation.

Or are you talking about only betting at select times or spins, in which case you are barking up the Rob Singer/Mdawg tree of hot streaks. Please don't tell us that the roulette table is telepathing you as to when a hot streak is coming like Singer told Alan.

[MisterV]

KJ, Spike aka EB has not been particularly forthcoming as to his modus operandi at the table, but IIRC it seems he looks for some sort of pattern.

He's posted that some days he logs on to his online betting site and doesn't like what he sees so he does not bet.

My guess: he looks for some form of pattern then martingales it, but hey, with this guy who knows?

Could be that the patterns he sees are divined by scrutinizing the piles of cat shit on the floor; sure, who needs math when cat shit will do?

[Rob.Singer]

The only reason kew chose to start another one of his stupid threads like this is because he doesn't want his irrelevance to be forgotten. That, and giving AQ and MrV a reason to go on.....

I don't pay much attention to the gambling explouts of mdawg or spike, but as usual, kew has gotten nothing right about what I've accomplished--obviously because he's hurt by by it.

What I did with the DU play was all about math. Kew is too dumb to understand that, but it was probably the best advantage play in gambling history. And did I "defy or re-write the math" in the 4 years I played my vp play strategy and won over $375k? Hardly. No one beats long-term gambling math. What I did was adjust a number of certain holds in order that large winners could sometimes appear, and hope they might be often and big enuf to keep me in the black. If I did this long enough then the math says I'd be a loser in the inexplicable "long term". But for the relatively short amount of time I played the strategy, good luck appeared often enuf that I was able to meet my 5% of bankroll win goal much more often than I failed to do so. Every aspect of the strategy was built around allowing good luck to show up more often than usual, and at relatively higher denominations. And with a non-greedy (because of the $50k+ session bankroll) 5% win goal of minimum $2500, most sessions ended with a win--with some ending with huge wins.The losing sessions? 95% weren't that bad, because of the many soft profit cashouts that were never played again along the way.

Kew: wise up....and get your story straight.

[coach belly]

Earlier you welcomed him here, and wrote that he came here to educate.

This gambling savant has come here with the intent to 'educate" us

Now you're guessing, before he's even had a chance to answer the first of his student's questions.

My guess: he looks for some form of pattern then martingales it, but hey, with this guy who knows?

But I'm not sure that he came here to share his method.

It appears that he came here to respond to misconceptions and insults that he found in a discussion on VCT, about him, that took place 5 months before he joined.

Ole EB spamming the site again with his bullshit of "I can beat roulette" garbage.

Good for EB.

I never considered EvenBob a threat to anyone. He just is not even a good troll.

Strange duck, this EB...Sort of like a quasi-senile Don Quixote.

In a word...he was baited into joining. You gave him attention that he was not seeking.

Is he living rent-free in your head or something? Sure seems like it.

You've even stooped so low as to insult him at WOV while he's suspended.

Wow...that is some really poor-form sniper bullshit. Shame on you.

Post a picture of yourself, and point to where Spike hurt you.

[kewlJ]

What I did with the DU play was all about math. Kew is too dumb to understand that, but it was probably the best advantage play in gambling history. And did I "defy or re-write the math" in the 4 years I played my vp play strategy and won over $375k? Hardly. No one beats long-term gambling math. What I did was adjust a number of certain holds in order that large winners could sometimes appear, and hope they might be often and big enuf to keep me in the black. If I did this long enough then the math says I'd be a loser in the inexplicable "long term". But for the relatively short amount of time I played the strategy, good luck appeared often enuf that I was able to meet my 5% of bankroll win goal much more often than I failed to do so. Every aspect of the strategy was built around allowing good luck to show up more often than usual, and at relatively higher denominations. And with a non-greedy (because of the $50k+ session bankroll) 5% win goal of minimum $2500, most sessions ended with a win--with some ending with huge wins.The losing sessions? 95% weren't that bad, because of the many soft profit cashouts that were never played again along the way.

The double up bug was indeed an advantage play. There is an argument to be had as to whether it was cheating (getting paid a multitude of the amount you should be paid for the money wagered), but it was an advantage play. I think it can be both. But it doesn't even matter because it was NOT your play. You stole that story from Kane and Nestor and the news.

As for your VP strategy. Just complete nonsense, just like EvenBob. your explanation is that "good luck appeared often enough". Give me a break.

I go back to something I said in the first post of this thread. If you had won what you claimed playing the DU bug and various other Singer nonsensensical betting systems (betting systems don't change the advantage), and you had this holy grail, basically a license to print money, you and the wife wouldn't have continued working and you wouldn't have a record full of bankruptcies and evictions and legal judgements against. Just the same as if EvenBob had some magical winning system, he wouldn't have been driving a cab and managed or owned a bar. And Mdawg wouldn't be chasing down people that had been involved in car accidents.

The stories you guys tell fall apart on so many levels but none more so that that.

[kewlJ]

There is real advantage play and real advantage players, everything from lowly card counters to complex machine plays to multi-carding. But these three guys (EvenBob completes the trio) and their claims are not that. They are Jack climbing the beanstalk.

[MisterV]

Coach, EB is no more living in my head than KJ is in yours.

My "welcome" post was clearly sacastic: note how I put the word "educate" in quotation marks?

My comment at WoV was not an insult, it was a truism: he regales at being listed as having the most posts: with him it's quantity, not quality.

[Spike]

As well you should not. What I do doesn't defy the math, the math changes because I'm using non-random bets. Surely you see that the math was calculated using random bets and that it has to change if you're using non-random.

First, don't call me Shirley.

Second I am going to hate myself for even engaging, but define "non-random bets". .

Don't hate yourself, looks like everybody here is doing that for you. The best example of a non-random bet would be people who use their birthdays, anniversaries, whatever numbers are special to them and they bet those same numbers over and over and over every time they play. Those are non-random bets. But those aren't going to change the math because those non-random bets are still bet randomly, there's no Rhyme or Reason to them. My non-random bets are arrived at after years of study and there are only made when the time is correct. When the roulette outcomes are playing my game. When the roulette outcomes are favorable to what I'm doing which most of the time they're not. I have to wait for the right opportunity and then I have an 80% hit rate. Sometimes I can go a whole day online of checking various casinos in I'll never see a betting opportunity. Others days it's all I see. You have to know when to bet and what to bet on. Then the math is in your favor and you have the edge.

[coach belly]

My comment at WoV was not an insult, it was a truism

The entire post was a cowardly taunt, knowing full well that he could not respond.

Like some little punk, yelling insults down at neighborhood kids on the street, from a 4th floor walk-up window.

[Spike]

Earlier you welcomed him here, and wrote that he came here to educate. .

It's a fact that when you teach something that you're passionate about you learn new things all the time and that's why I do this. It's not for you it's for me. I was going to be a teacher at one time, I got a degree to teach in 1971. American history something I'm still quite passionate about. But teachers at that time were practically paid in chickens and canned jam compared to how they are paid now and I just couldn't afford to do it. So I never used my degree for anything. I couldn't care less if anybody here learns anything it's what I get out of it that counts. I'm very selfish but so is everybody, I'm just willing to admit it.

[Spike]

As for your VP strategy. Just complete nonsense, just like EvenBob. .

Never dismiss something out of hand because you don't understand it. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's gibberish or nonsense, you have to fully investigate it first. And people very seldom investigate anything, they like the little bubble they live in. I was fortunate when I started playing roulette I had no idea the math said it couldn't be beaten. So I just went aheadd and beat it without knowing what I was doing. Imagine when I joined my first forum and was called every name in the book, it was a total surprise. LOL

[Spike]

They are Jack climbing the beanstalk.

Were they actually chopped the Beanstalk down, and burned it. You make too many assumptions when you don't have all the facts.

[MisterV]

My comment at WoV was not an insult, it was a truism

The entire post was a cowardly taunt, knowing full well that he could not respond.

Like some little punk, yelling insults down at neighborhood kids on the street, from a 4th floor walk-up window.

Bullshit, he can respond here, or there when his time is up.

No doubt he'd agree that my point was well taken.

Oh..."Pluck your magic twanger, Froggy."