It's not Singer's $1.2 million, but it will have to suffice

[MisterV]

Dawg, KJ is fairly "high strung" emotionally, and as a prolific poster he likely forgets what he's previously posted while in a fit of indignation.

I believe his current intent is not to bring your family into it.

[kewlJ]

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UNKewlJ tries to insult MDawg’s wife:

Why does this perv keep posting pictures of his girlfriend, wife or live-in prostitute (whatever she is) with a mussel on? Must be a California thing. Can anyone explain?

Geez, is that what your wife/friend looks like? No wonder you are so angry.

Yeah, ok I figure I probably had posted something derogatory at some point. Sue me.

But in general I don't stoop to what you and others do until I am really pushed. It is 3rd grade dude.

[MDawg]

I was much more impressed with reading how Bill Gates, then the world's richest man, played low level blackjack for fun and enjoyed it.

I actually saw that first hand. It was during one of the COMDEXes in Vegas, around twenty years or so ago. He was playing red chip blackjack and high fiving the other players occasionally. It was quite a sight to see.

I have observed many celebrities over the years gamble, and while most of them I've seen play very big, a few play very small.

Professional athletes, I have never seen them play anything but very big. (Well, unless they are years past retirement and no longer rolling in millions.)

One athlete I always felt sorry for was Mike Tyson. I didn't actually ever see him play, but I heard about how the casinos set up private tables for him and fleeced him of millions. Another one who lost a lot of his fortune in casinos was Dennis Rodman, and him I did observe personally, playing at the old Hard Rock Vegas.

[kewlJ]

Look, I just don't care about anybodys personal life really. My problem with Singer, Mdawg are about their absurd gambling claims.

I don't really care what they do or did for a living, or about their personal lives or that one if them thought a good retirement plan was living off his kids.

Just have your claims work mathematically and don't say stupid shit like "pit people don't care and let me spread $100-$5000", or tell me about "special plays and machines telepathing hot cycles" or tell us about playing blackjack professionally in Reno (of all places) and you won't hear a peep out of me.

[MisterV]

Hey dawg, all flaming aside...why do you feel compelled to play at such high limits?

I've no idea as to the truth of your claims and can only look at myself for comparison, but I am financially comfortable and could easily afford to bet higher but am content just to play the level I play at.

For me winning is important but I don't "need" to win; I simply enjoy the experience, the endorphin rush of betting.

I find I have increased my average bet size over time so there is probably some dynamic at play that I don't understand, but the bottom line is I could bet more but don't have the desire to.

So, why not bet less than you do?

We've all read tales of how whales get flensed and deboned over time by the casinos; what makes YOU immune?

[MDawg]

That's a complicated question, but if you read my story as posted starting almost exactly five years ago, my initial intention was just to play enough to get comps. I started with $50K credit lines. Not that $50K lines are small, but more than enough to play small and earn plenty of comps.

Somehow over those five years I got into playing higher and higher limits until I was where I've been past couple years.

At this point, I don't think I could go back to playing small again, so I'd either just stop entirely or keep doing what I'm doing now. I'd be fine with either scenario.

One thing is that it's stressful to play at high levels, because there is so much back and forth at times at high levels. Actually earlier this year I mused and posted at WOV about maybe quitting because I got tired of the ups and downs, and then I had another big win trip and so I thought, nahhh, why quit when I'm winning?

But right now I'm thinking about giving it a long break again simply because playing at this level gets very consuming. I actually have not played in several days now just doing stuff with the wife in Vegas, non gambling related. And working remotely in the mornings.

[1Hit1der]

I take the salient part as the quote about Gates' time limits on gambling. The more important, by far, of the two overall types of limits. If you could win all day long, day after day, then at what value of survival?

Anyway, I wouldn't cross the street to get a closer look at him, either. Ha.

Brief: Bill Gates called a low-roller
Tuesday, Nov. 17, 1998 | 2:40 a.m.

The New York Times reported Gates played blackjack with $25 chips at the $50-minimum blackjack table in the Bellagio Hotel on Sunday.

The Bellagio, the recently opened $1.8 billion hotel, has private gambling rooms for high rollers ("whales," gamblers call them). But Gates, wearing a rumpled blue shirt and blue slacks, ambled over to a table in the main part of the casino and put down roughly $200 worth of chips.

Betting $100 each time, he doubled his holdings in 10 minutes.

So does Gates gamble a lot?

"Not really," he said. "I actually like poker better. Blackjack is mostly luck. Poker, you have to be a skilled player."

So is he?

"Not really," he said.

Does Gates, whose Microsoft holdings have made him one of America's richest men, set limits on the money he gambles?

"No, only time limits," he said, gathering roughly $300 in chips and standing up. He worked his way through the crowd to the guest elevators.

[MDawg]

I find I have increased my average bet size over time so there is probably some dynamic at play that I don't understand, but the bottom line is I could bet more but don't have the desire to.

BTW you play machines correct, not tables?

The psychology of machine players is different from table game players.

Machine players tend to want to "zone out" - they push those buttons and get into a fun zone where they are comfortable and enjoying the experience, even a jackpot doesn't really excite a true machine player that much, it's all part of the same continuous buzz.

Table game players' emotions rise and fall with the deal of the cards, peaking in intensity just before the hand results are revealed, and then, the tension is released. There is this constant up and down. Craps is pretty much the same - up in tension as the rolls continue until the inevitable "point is hit" or "seven out" and then a release.

For the most part, if you are playing for fun, you're going to tend to one or the other. Your psychological makeup will define whether you prefer machines or table games.


All that aside, as I examine public table games, for example blackjack, I see some tables (at some casinos) that all have the same limit, 5000, but lower minimums, all the way down to 15. I'd imagine it would be harder for someone of means to play small at these lower limit tables, especially if he has played big in the past. Sure, okay, he may bet only $15. but if he's allowed to bet to 5000, what's to stop him?

But with machines, and again I don't play them but you could tell me, is it easier to maintain that smaller bet? If you pick a "smaller" machine will it be impossible to dump say $100. a spin into it? If so, then I could see how a machine player, absent moving to higher limit machines, could keep himself from betting bigger and bigger, while as mentioned above, if the table has the same max bet of $5000. even with a smaller minimum, then what's to stop the player from betting more and more?

[mickeycrimm]

I was much more impressed with reading how Bill Gates, then the world's richest man, played low level blackjack for fun and enjoyed it.

Contrast that with the dawg's tales of months of non-stop pounding the shit out of the strip casinos: not only is that essentially impossible, as KJ has so aptly pointed out, his brag also shows he is quite dissatisfied with his gambling experience, i.e. he can't stop.

Either he's a complete degenerate who bets big and loses big and then lies to make himself feel better, or as I suspect he's lying through his teeth, ala Robert, making it up for "True Passages."

Neither dawg nor Robert strike me as "Happy Campers."

Before Bellagio opened all the big poker games were at the Mirage. Bill Gates would stay at the Mirage and play poker. Of course, all the big time poker players were drooling to get him into a game. But Gates would only play $3-$6. LOL!

[MisterV]

But with machines, and again I don't play them but you could tell me, is it easier to maintain that smaller bet? If you pick a "smaller" machine will it be impossible to dump say $100. a spin into it? If so, then I could see how a machine player, absent moving to higher limit machines, could keep himself from betting bigger and bigger, while as mentioned above, if the table has the same max bet of $5000. even with a smaller minimum, then what's to stop the player from betting more and more?

I appreciate the measured responses; now, to respond...

I played craps exclusively for many years; slots didn't do it for me.

Alas, one day I wandered into a high limit room and decided to make some five dollar bets and hit for four grand: that, as they say, "set the hook" for this gamblin' fish.

Over time I gravitated my play more toward slots; I still shoot craps but not like I used to do.

These days I prefer to play in the "Elite" or "High Limit" room at Chinook Winds, as they're the only casino that offers the games I like at the denominations I enjoy.

I play multi-denomination slots, typically one, five, ten or twenty-five dollar credits; usually I bet a buck or two but quite frequently I bet higher, depending on how I'm doing or how I "feel" at that moment, i.e. on a whim.

While I bet lower amounts most of the time, I always "take shots," betting higher amounts: that is the most exciting time, but also the most perilous.

I have the discipline to stick to this method of play: it would be pretty easy to say "Fuck it, let's go" and shoot for the moon, but that is the door to crazy-town.

Looking in my crystal ball, I suspect my average bet amount will continue to increase, which will be great...if I win.

[MDawg]

Okay, so if you're in those high limit rooms (granted, the high limit room at one casino might be quite different from the high limit at another), then is the "sky the limit" (relatively speaking) to how much you could stick into that machine?



At 2:04 Alan wins $5000. and the blank matter of fact look on his face....

Machine players tend to want to "zone out" - they push those buttons and get into a fun zone where they are comfortable and enjoying the experience, even a jackpot doesn't really excite a true machine player that much, it's all part of the same continuous buzz.

[accountinquestion]

I take the salient part as the quote about Gates' time limits on gambling. The more important, by far, of the two overall types of limits. If you could win all day long, day after day, then at what value of survival?

Anyway, I wouldn't cross the street to get a closer look at him, either. Ha.

Brief: Bill Gates called a low-roller
Tuesday, Nov. 17, 1998 | 2:40 a.m.

The New York Times reported Gates played blackjack with $25 chips at the $50-minimum blackjack table in the Bellagio Hotel on Sunday.

The Bellagio, the recently opened $1.8 billion hotel, has private gambling rooms for high rollers ("whales," gamblers call them). But Gates, wearing a rumpled blue shirt and blue slacks, ambled over to a table in the main part of the casino and put down roughly $200 worth of chips.

Betting $100 each time, he doubled his holdings in 10 minutes.

So does Gates gamble a lot?

"Not really," he said. "I actually like poker better. Blackjack is mostly luck. Poker, you have to be a skilled player."

So is he?

"Not really," he said.

Does Gates, whose Microsoft holdings have made him one of America's richest men, set limits on the money he gambles?

"No, only time limits," he said, gathering roughly $300 in chips and standing up. He worked his way through the crowd to the guest elevators.

I seem to recall a similar story with gates wanting Doyle Brunson to sign a copy of SS. Doyle declined since gates would not play high stakes poker he could afford.

Honestly I guess he'd have an assistant but transferring the money would be a pain. I wonder if bellagio marker staff have the ability to give him a 10.million credit line without any additional verification.

Everyone AP who isn't an addict becomes fairly bored with gambling.The only solution is to raise stakes until it hurts.

[MisterV]

Okay, so if you're in those high limit rooms (granted, the high limit room at one casino might be quite different from the high limit at another), then is the "sky the limit" (relatively speaking) to how much you could stick into that machine?

The tribal joints I play at don't have the high limits that you can find at the higher end Strip casinos: e.g., there's no five thousand a pop like at Wynn.

But they offer enough.

These days I typically take a shot or two on Red White and Blue betting 2 X $100,00 ($200.00).

This I believe is the highest denomination slot I can play at Chinook Winds.

The two games I play most often have lower max amounts: $40.00 and $50.00, and I always take shots on them as well.

The only "limit" is the max denomination the machine offers.

To pace myself, as I typically spend the night on a comp, I play numerous sessions, and typically limit myself to a few hundred bucks each session.

It is typical to lose about a grand on a losing trip, but I've had some happy variance so that isn't my average; fact is I am still up a few grand over where I was a few years ago.

[MDawg]

Well that's pretty measured gaming.

[kewlJ]

Table game players' emotions rise and fall with the deal of the cards, peaking in intensity just before the hand results are revealed, and then, the tension is released. There is this constant up and down.

Boy this is the thought process of a "gambler" not an advantage player or winning player used to winning. I don't know of any table game AP that thinks like this. I really don't. APs and winning players remove that emotion from the equation. If you can't or don't, you are not going to make it as an AP.

Each hand is worth what the expected value is worth nothing more. Even a hand at max bet with a split and a couple of doubles. There really is nothing to get too excited about unless you are planning on quitting forever after that hand. If you are going to keep playing, to the next hand, or even the next session, or next day, that hand is worth only the expected value.

The last time my emotions rose and fell on a single hand like this was probably my first year or two when I was playing underfunded. If you are properly funded, there just is nothing to get emotional about. It is a hand or round worth several dollars in EV...nothing more.

Trolling aside, if I knew nothing of Mdawg and his claims and posts and this was the first thing I had ever read, it defines him as a gambler, not an AP or winning player to me.

edit: I removed a question I had posted in this space to other APs, but that was actually trolling and I said trolling aside. So I wont do that. But this statement by Mdawg is very revealing. Just lets leave it at that.

[AxelWolf]

You have to be able to tell the real thing from fake to begin to fake anything.

And AxelWolf does not. Know real from fake. When I posted pics of a platinum Day Date he thought it resembled some fake Rolex he had in a drawer. I mean come on, AxelWolf has never even seen a tourbillon watch in person, let alone know what one is.

He's never high rolled. He could come up with some nonsense from some cheap casino outside of Vegas, but he'd never be able to stay in a big suite in Vegas long enough to post anything to match what I've posted, which is all legitimate.

It's the classic pearls before swine argument, as to why the Wolf could never understand or emulate what I've done, or even know what's real or what's not.

You are correct, for the most part, I have no idea from looking at pictures online unless something is so blatantly obvious.
They can make Fake Rolex look exactly like the real thing.

Regardless, you can post pictures up of all the real Rolexes you want, including certification, but that doesn't mean you actually own them yourself. The same goes for chips, cash, and whatever else.

Why would someone do that? Who knows. Did you follow Newellgate? There's zero chance Rob owned that.

[MDawg]

That's where you're wrong. If you knew anything much about timepieces you could tell from the pictures that mine are real. Plus if you recall I posted a pretty long video where I even weighed some of the watches and again, anyone who knows much about the watches would know from the weights and appearances that everything I have is genuine.

The guy who says "no way to tell" is someone who knows little or nothing about timepieces.

Just go to some of the watch forums sometimes and you'll see someone come along and post a pic of a watch. Pretty quickly, in most cases, people know if it is real or fake.

Hmm, so if these watches, cash, rooms, chips, etc. aren't mine, how come they kept recurring like a bad AxelWolf nightmare over and over over the years. I must be renting the same watches for years at a time. Who is letting me strew all my vitamins and designer clothes all over his suites? How is it that I meet up with Wizard here and there at random, and just happen to have a couple hundred K in chips in my pocket most every time I see him in a casino?


Anyway, it's one thing to say I don't know, but for someone to sputter "it must be fake" when he has no idea whatsoever, is insulting. Not insulting to me, insulting to you. You shouldn't make yourself seem so ignorant.

[MisterV]

Well that's pretty measured gaming.

I suppose so, but it works for me and I enjoy it and look forward to returning...win or lose.

[MDawg]

What about these chips, A.Wolf, they real or fake? How would you even know, never before having seen or held one? of the gray ones I mean, of course.

[MDawg]

I wonder if bellagio marker staff have the ability to give him a 10.million credit line without any additional verification.

I recall that Gates wanted to remain in the 15,400 sq. ft. massive suite at the Hilton (formerly Intercontinental, now Westgate) and was willing to pay whatever per night. The suite was needed for an incoming high roller (I believe it was Larry Flynt). Gates was offered to stay for free, if he'd open I believe a $300K line and play. Would they have done much of a verification to open the line for him? I'd like to think No, but with casinos being public corporations, who knows, maybe they would have done the same verifications on him as on anyone else.

Anyway, Gates declined and left the property. No Howard Hughes ending to that story.

Also from what I understand Gates gave up playing blackjack, at any level, years ago.