backoffs, baring and play restrictions

[accountinquestion]

But no, he claims he discovered it on his own.

Well, he didn't discover it on his own. He read about it. Right here on this very forum, 3 years after the fact.

Just for a good laugh, I may go back and read some of his older post around that time.

If you find the thread where MaxPen is supposed to meet Singer and then ducks out, post it here so I can add it to my list of lolz challenges.

[kewlJ]

Just for a good laugh, I may go back and read some of his older post around that time.

Well he didn't immediately claim what he does now. There was a discussion about it just after the story broke....I think it was 2013. All Rob said at that time was that what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail.

It was another 5 years or so when no one was left believing his original claim of winning millions playing a progressive system, that Rob came up with that he had discovered the double up bug and played it before Nestor and Kane.

[PositiveVariance]

Well, he didn't discover it on his own. He read about it. Right here on this very forum, 3 years after the fact.

Just for a good laugh, I may go back and read some of his older post around that time.

If you find the thread where MaxPen is supposed to meet Singer and then ducks out, post it here so I can add it to my list of lolz challenges.

Yes, that was a good one! Then Druff confirming he never left the comfort of his home in AZ topped it off!

[PositiveVariance]

I would pay GOOD MONEY to be a "fly on the wall", if Singer was forced to read his most outrageous claims from this forum, out loud to his family. Or better yet, if his Wife had to read them out loud to him. The LOLz would be never ending!

[Rob.Singer]

Just for a good laugh, I may go back and read some of his older post around that time.

Well he didn't immediately claim what he does now. There was a discussion about it just after the story broke....I think it was 2013. All Rob said at that time was that what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail.

And you are the exact type of idiot that statement was prepared for.

You simpletons (and I smile whenever I get the chance to post that insult) will never get any of it.

[accountinquestion]

Just for a good laugh, I may go back and read some of his older post around that time.

Well he didn't immediately claim what he does now. There was a discussion about it just after the story broke....I think it was 2013. All Rob said at that time was that what Kane and Nestor did was illegal and they should go to jail.

And you are the exact type of idiot that statement was prepared for.

You simpletons (and I smile whenever I get the chance to post that insult) will never get any of it.

Why did you need a statement to begin with? What exactly was the theory that led you to make up the story 5 years later? Why make up any story? You just take the wins and go away. Why would you draw attention to yourself? What law enforcement agency did you think you were avoiding?

You're a world-class clown Singer. If you are genuinely trying to gain respect then I pity you.

[MisterV]

Tough to tell just WHAT Robert's real motivation is; why does he concoct such elaborate cons?

The man isn't stupid so he probably (hopefully?) realizes that we're on to him: so it can't be respect he's after.

He might have sought it earlier but by now the jig is up.

So that leaves trolling...and the pleasure he gets from it by fucking with people.

Probably a similar dynamic behind the dawg as well.

[accountinquestion]

Tough to tell just WHAT Robert's real motivation is; why does he concoct such elaborate cons?

The man isn't stupid so he probably (hopefully?) realizes that we're on to him: so it can't be respect he's after.

He might have sought it earlier but by now the jig is up.

So that leaves trolling...and the pleasure he gets from it by fucking with people.

Probably a similar dynamic behind the dawg as well.

That is what one would think but I'm not so sure.. he has been doing this sort of shit for many years now.. he wrote a whole book trying to gain attention and credibility.. it 100% was not a troll. People have weird motivations that just aren't right.. the nasty cat guy.. Kewl .. Robert.. Mdawg at least tries to be amusing I guess. I don't read his stuff much .. Redietz seems to want cred and backers.

Singer used to be more of an enigma but it really appears to be an effort to impress... It all seems retarded though, right? So who knows.

[coach belly]

Why do you think he doesn't player bank?

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

He's been proven to make up stories about others, so he can't be trusted to tell the truth about himself.

[redietz]

Tough to tell just WHAT Robert's real motivation is; why does he concoct such elaborate cons?

The man isn't stupid so he probably (hopefully?) realizes that we're on to him: so it can't be respect he's after.

He might have sought it earlier but by now the jig is up.

So that leaves trolling...and the pleasure he gets from it by fucking with people.

Probably a similar dynamic behind the dawg as well.

That is what one would think but I'm not so sure.. he has been doing this sort of shit for many years now.. he wrote a whole book trying to gain attention and credibility.. it 100% was not a troll. People have weird motivations that just aren't right.. the nasty cat guy.. Kewl .. Robert.. Mdawg at least tries to be amusing I guess. I don't read his stuff much .. Redietz seems to want cred and backers.

Singer used to be more of an enigma but it really appears to be an effort to impress... It all seems retarded though, right? So who knows.

"Redietz seems to want cred and backers." Except for the fact that in 10,000 posts on this and other sites, going back literally decades, not once has redietz ever recruited backers. Not in posts. Not in PMs. Not once.

But account decides to opine with his usual loose thinking, making shit up as he types away.

Wanting "cred?" The only people on this site who halfway know anything about what I do are Boz, regnis, and Witteles. The migration of "APs" to this site has been a study in overblown weirdness. The culture of sports betting is larger than the culture of "APing" by at least a factor of 10 and maybe more like a hundred, yet the "APs" think they have relevant answers and expertise, like freshmen taking grad courses.

Carry on.

[kewlJ]

the fact that in 10,000 posts on this and other sites, going back literally decades, not once has redietz ever recruited backers. Not in posts. Not in PMs. Not once.

I don't care how much some people may not like Redietz because they find him condescending, or even how wrong he is about EV , or the stupid thing he said about mickeycrimm's social security, this is absolutely the truth. There is ZERO evidence redietz has used these forums to solicit any clients. There is exactly one person who has ever claimed that, and he is if not the least credible person, then 1 of 2 that I have ever run across.

It is just really low and small of people to make up shit, just because you have decided you don't like someone.

[MDawg]

The effrontery of the male prostitute saying that others go after him because they don’t like him when that sort of thing is the sole motivation and exactly what this petty catfisher does all the time - make up nonsensical lies to try to back up his other lies.

the story isn’t about Mdawg (or the wizard for that matter), it’s about YOU, always about someone once upon a time wronged you for something petty as fuck you’re seemingly incapable of moving past, it’s ALWAYS been primarily about you.

[MDawg]

It’s hard to fathom someone so out of touch with reality that he can’t see the glaring fact that

this hypocrite whatever he accuses others of, you may be assured that he's done himself first, and worse.

Yes you must be so sad as your posts are about everything YOU do here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you contradict yourself, sometimes one post to the very next post you post this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand how often you post hypocritical posts this forum, you condemn the very behaviour you, yourself post about here this forum.

You must have a mental problem as you just fail to understand that you constantly discredit YOUR OWN character yet claim others are discrediting you.

You must have a mental problem because you display homophobic dislike of yourself for being gay. It’s a nasty queer trait of self loathing homosexuals that manifests with ugly queers. We’ve all meet at least one in our lifetime. It’s that trait you display that give all the good gays a bad name.

As stated you’re a slow moving car wreck. I got beer and popcorn, I love watching you unravel.

[kewlJ]

The effrontery of the male prostitute saying....

With all the bullshit lies about male prostitution, the ONLY evidence of anyone on these forums engaging in prostitution, would be Mdawg hiring a prostitute that drugged him and stole his watch up her cooch. And on the off chance that wasn't Mdawg, it fits the profile exactly. Checks every box.

I wonder how hard it would be to dig up the police record from that incident. Last December wasn't it?

[accountinquestion]

Tough to tell just WHAT Robert's real motivation is; why does he concoct such elaborate cons?

The man isn't stupid so he probably (hopefully?) realizes that we're on to him: so it can't be respect he's after.

He might have sought it earlier but by now the jig is up.

So that leaves trolling...and the pleasure he gets from it by fucking with people.

Probably a similar dynamic behind the dawg as well.

That is what one would think but I'm not so sure.. he has been doing this sort of shit for many years now.. he wrote a whole book trying to gain attention and credibility.. it 100% was not a troll. People have weird motivations that just aren't right.. the nasty cat guy.. Kewl .. Robert.. Mdawg at least tries to be amusing I guess. I don't read his stuff much .. Redietz seems to want cred and backers.

Singer used to be more of an enigma but it really appears to be an effort to impress... It all seems retarded though, right? So who knows.

"Redietz seems to want cred and backers." Except for the fact that in 10,000 posts on this and other sites, going back literally decades, not once has redietz ever recruited backers. Not in posts. Not in PMs. Not once.

But account decides to opine with his usual loose thinking, making shit up as he types away.

Wanting "cred?" The only people on this site who halfway know anything about what I do are Boz, regnis, and Witteles. The migration of "APs" to this site has been a study in overblown weirdness. The culture of sports betting is larger than the culture of "APing" by at least a factor of 10 and maybe more like a hundred, yet the "APs" think they have relevant answers and expertise, like freshmen taking grad courses.

Carry on.

So funny how APs are so into your brain. You're just razzed because of all sorts of nonsensical crap you say and all the condescension involved. You insist on taking counter-positions widely accepted by people very well known in this sports betting culture you speak of. Widely accepted by gamblers in general. Yes, EV.

AP could just as well be shorthand for gambler. Who cares. Get some help. You and Kewl.

Your old website asked for backers. You promise an ROI based on sports betting. Mickey pointed out that is the same thing as EV. ROI and EV are the same thing afaik but yea from there and the fact you can't pay a $500 property tax bill suggests that yes, you want backers.

I thought Singer said you were trying to sell him picks at some point but well ..

If you don't want backers you sure want credibility. You and your camera guy, your wanting people to show up in LV to talk to you, you carrying on about the "bookclub in the bathroom (tm)" thing you held. The non-existent press showing up. Saying no on should be anonymous because they might pass up the chance of having something to do with movies. lol. That one makes me laugh.

You constantly referring to your previous record. McCuck's report and the Wish Guys contest. That screams craving credibility. lol if you disagree you live in an alternative world. Mars?

I don't make up half the shit you make up, bro. If I make it totally up then it is because I'm kidding. I do get something wrong on occasion but usually not 180 degrees wrong like your Ivermectin nonsense.

[Treeshade]

Tough to tell just WHAT Robert's real motivation is; why does he concoct such elaborate cons?

The man isn't stupid so he probably (hopefully?) realizes that we're on to him: so it can't be respect he's after.

He might have sought it earlier but by now the jig is up.

So that leaves trolling...and the pleasure he gets from it by fucking with people.

Probably a similar dynamic behind the dawg as well.

That is what one would think but I'm not so sure.. he has been doing this sort of shit for many years now.. he wrote a whole book trying to gain attention and credibility.. it 100% was not a troll. People have weird motivations that just aren't right.. the nasty cat guy.. Kewl .. Robert.. Mdawg at least tries to be amusing I guess. I don't read his stuff much .. Redietz seems to want cred and backers.

Singer used to be more of an enigma but it really appears to be an effort to impress... It all seems retarded though, right? So who knows.

"Redietz seems to want cred and backers." Except for the fact that in 10,000 posts on this and other sites, going back literally decades, not once has redietz ever recruited backers. Not in posts. Not in PMs. Not once.

But account decides to opine with his usual loose thinking, making shit up as he types away.

Wanting "cred?" The only people on this site who halfway know anything about what I do are Boz, regnis, and Witteles. The migration of "APs" to this site has been a study in overblown weirdness. The culture of sports betting is larger than the culture of "APing" by at least a factor of 10 and maybe more like a hundred, yet the "APs" think they have relevant answers and expertise, like freshmen taking grad courses.

Carry on.

Yet many APs on this site still manage to have more money then you even tho they are half your age. Weird huh

[accountinquestion]

the fact that in 10,000 posts on this and other sites, going back literally decades, not once has redietz ever recruited backers. Not in posts. Not in PMs. Not once.

I don't care how much some people may not like Redietz because they find him condescending, or even how wrong he is about EV , or the stupid thing he said about mickeycrimm's social security, this is absolutely the truth. There is ZERO evidence redietz has used these forums to solicit any clients. There is exactly one person who has ever claimed that, and he is if not the least credible person, then 1 of 2 that I have ever run across.

It is just really low and small of people to make up shit, just because you have decided you don't like someone.

Dipshit it was on his website when he could foot the bill. I still believe he'd love to have backers. I have no idea who he has asked or anything else. Maybe he hasn't asked since that old website went away. But LOL it isn't a jump to say that is what he wants.

I know a poker player. Real jackass. Not very well liked at all. People wonder how he stays in action. I end up talking to a wealthy guy who donated considerable funds to that community. Rich guy snickered said he didn't like the player because he had tried to be staked. Until then I'd never heard of him borrowing. I did notice how he buddied up to wealthy people but that isn't for loans. Anyway, point being that just because I haven't seen direct evidence doesn't mean it hasn't happened in some capacity.

[Treeshade]

Material things don't and never will impress me. Most of it is just overpriced junk anyway.

True. I know of APs that count all that garbage as their profit. They lose 2 grand doing whatever gambling, but the casino comps them a room, a couple meals, and some trinkets like a sweatshirt on gift day and they think they have won.

For many years, my partner and I ate at least 1 meal, sometimes 2, every day (even days we weren't playing) at a casino, courtesy of the casino. I never included those over-priced meals as "winnings". It was just a perk. And the value to me, wasn't whatever over-inflated price the casino put on it. The value was what we would have spent had we paid cash to grab a sandwich for lunch somewhere.

The funny thing was watching how the casinos rang up comps. Lunch buffet cost $8.99. Paying with points, the cashier would ring up 15.00 comped (each). Only 8.99 would be deducted from comp points, but for their bookkeeping, you received a value of $30.00.

Back in the day, I have also seen/read card counters tone down their spread, so they could get in 4 hours of play to get a room comp. Ok, their normal spread was worth $80/hr, they toned it down to where they were making $40 for those 4 hours, meaning the cost of that comped room was $160 to them. Had they just paid for the room back then on a weekday it was $39.

Now I used to network with a guy, who counted cards at a high level using a very small bet spread. A break even type bet spread of like 1-3 maybe betting $300 - $900 (and this was 10 years ago that he told me, maybe longer that he actually practiced this). So he would basically break even long-term. There was no heat at a spread like that. And then the casino would shower him with gifts, including gift cards (think visa) and shopping sprees in their higher end gift shop (think jewelry). He would then take everything he received including tickets to shows, and sell it on ebay. That was were his profit came from, not from the 1-3 spread counting cards. I always thought this was creative but man, a lot of work. But again, a $2000 shopping spree at the high end gift shop was really only worth a couple hundred dollars that you could sell that crap for.

So the price the casino put on things is just funny. It is basically a Donald Trump Grift.

Not one successful AP counts free gifts and food from the casino as part of their earn. Maybe broke APs who need such things to survive do. More nonsense from you

[jbjb]

Material things don't and never will impress me. Most of it is just overpriced junk anyway.

True. I know of APs that count all that garbage as their profit. They lose 2 grand doing whatever gambling, but the casino comps them a room, a couple meals, and some trinkets like a sweatshirt on gift day and they think they have won.

For many years, my partner and I ate at least 1 meal, sometimes 2, every day (even days we weren't playing) at a casino, courtesy of the casino. I never included those over-priced meals as "winnings". It was just a perk. And the value to me, wasn't whatever over-inflated price the casino put on it. The value was what we would have spent had we paid cash to grab a sandwich for lunch somewhere.

The funny thing was watching how the casinos rang up comps. Lunch buffet cost $8.99. Paying with points, the cashier would ring up 15.00 comped (each). Only 8.99 would be deducted from comp points, but for their bookkeeping, you received a value of $30.00.

Back in the day, I have also seen/read card counters tone down their spread, so they could get in 4 hours of play to get a room comp. Ok, their normal spread was worth $80/hr, they toned it down to where they were making $40 for those 4 hours, meaning the cost of that comped room was $160 to them. Had they just paid for the room back then on a weekday it was $39.

Now I used to network with a guy, who counted cards at a high level using a very small bet spread. A break even type bet spread of like 1-3 maybe betting $300 - $900 (and this was 10 years ago that he told me, maybe longer that he actually practiced this). So he would basically break even long-term. There was no heat at a spread like that. And then the casino would shower him with gifts, including gift cards (think visa) and shopping sprees in their higher end gift shop (think jewelry). He would then take everything he received including tickets to shows, and sell it on ebay. That was were his profit came from, not from the 1-3 spread counting cards. I always thought this was creative but man, a lot of work. But again, a $2000 shopping spree at the high end gift shop was really only worth a couple hundred dollars that you could sell that crap for.

So the price the casino put on things is just funny. It is basically a Donald Trump Grift.

Not one successful AP counts free gifts and food from the casino as part of their earn. Maybe broke APs who need such things to survive do. More nonsense from you

Dancer does.

[Treeshade]

After so many years, it's easy to remember which casino personnel should be avoided.

Obviously for holecarding. But for counting is there anyone that won't eventually make you?

Disregard anything fraudj says. The only way his method would work in Vegas would be if he was offering up that ass and mouth to surveillance employees. Not to mention he spends a good 50 hours a week posting on various forums across the internet. Hardly any time left over to make money in the casino.

You can make good money counting by traveling the country playing a hit and run style. Not spending to much time in each casino. There are guys on the road consistently making mid 6 figures without problems. It’s not for everyone, and many of them will tell you not to even bother. It’s a lifestyle that only fits certain types of people. The key is having a supportive partner.

Gay men like Kewj who suck and fuck a different guy every week stay in casino towns like Vegas because they need that endless supply of man butter. Making any amount of money gambling would be secondary to them.